2023 Israel-Palestine Armed Conflict

[Screamer_2]

So the supposed video of the missile exploding in the air, the exploding the hospital. So why is there area already on fire and there lots of smoke before the missile fragment is meant to hit?

 

[quackrock]

Thread from a New York Times Visual Investigations reporter (aka the closest thing to a real journalist at NYT) on the Hamas paraglider training camp. Seems it was known to the IDF, they bombed it back in 2014 and 2021:

https://nitter.net/AricToler/status/1713224128923046335

CNN piece on the base which goes into more detail:

https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/12/middleeast/hamas-training-site-gaza-israel-intl/index.html

Would archive but .is isn't working for me right now.

 

[Catch The Rainbow]

Hananya Naftali is employed/enlisted by the IDF and actually works in the information gathering and disseminating department, he even managed to meet Benjamin Netanyahu himself for the job. He couldn't have know this before journalist if he wasn't a part of the IDF

He's also a messianic Christian who pretends to be Jewish and somehow got into Israel

 

[KingCoelacanth]

Theres no way that Hamas rockets are accurate to pinpoint destroy a hospital.
Its either an Israeli strike or a malfunction. I think something similar happened years ago where an ISIS rocket/mortar malfunctioned and toppled an important Mosque. But video evidence makes a convincing argument for a JDAM

 

[George Lucas]

So the supposed video of the missile exploding in the air, the exploding the hospital. So why is there area already on fire and there lots of smoke before the missile fragment is meant to hit?

Because it’s an active warzone you numbskull.

 

[LaxerBRO]

Awfully convenient Israel would do the one thing that would get the rest of the Muslim world mad exactly when HAMAS needs it though.

People need to stop asking who blew up the hospital and start asking who benefits the most from it.

You assume organized and deliberate action.

It could be a JDAM malfunctioned. How many bombs have Israel dropped? Perhaps in the rush to bomb Hamas, the used substandard bombs?

The people loading the JDAM could have damaged the unit due to lack of sleep.

An Israeli pilot could have just found out a close acquaintance died and said fuck it.

The Israeli government faced with incompetence or independent malevolence choose the third option.

Blame Hamas.

 

[Screamer_2]

Because it’s an active warzone you numbskull.

So the hospital was on fire with billowing smoke before a fragment of a rocket set it on fire and exploded it? The rest of the buildings aren't on fire.

That doesn't make sense. It makes more sense that the explosion is a secondary explosion to an already bombed place.

 

[Racist Trash]

Theres no way that Hamas rockets are accurate to pinpoint destroy a hospital.
Its either an Israeli strike or a malfunction. I think something similar happened years ago where an ISIS rocket/mortar malfunctioned and toppled an important Mosque. But video evidence makes a convincing argument for a JDAM

The damage isn't really convincing of a JDAM it looks more of a fire in the courtyard than a straight up bomb crater.
Gonna have to use several news sites (no idea how to get the videos from there to here):
BBC video fire in the courtyard is from the start
Everyone's favorite fox news apparently on the scene showing the burned out courtyard with not much damage to the surrounding buildings go to 0.33 for video of aftermath:

I assume that if a JDAM guided bomb was used we would see an impact crater or something.

 

[Post Reply]

Regarding the footage of the missile strike filmed through the fence, I have questions that I doubt can be answered:

• Do we know for sure when and where that footage was taken?
• What location is the cameraman is looking at?
• What is said during the video?

If it's actually the hospital in view, then it seems likely that's a JDAM strike based on the sound. On the other hand, there has been plenty of footage released on the internet with edited sound.

 

[quackrock]

Pretty convenient that Hamas would fly in on paragliders to massacre Israeli citizens, giving the IDF the casus belli to turn gaza into a parking lot. Wonder who benefited from that move.

 

[Darkholme's Dungeon]

There is a solution to the issue that hasn't been considered. Counter fire. The rocket going up would have revealed the launch site to Israeli Artillery. If Hamas launched the rocket close to the Hospital, all it would take is minor mathematical errors in the targeting solution or some counter fire radar operator fat fingering the wrong number to send the counter fire off course by 100 meters. Into the hospital instead of the launch site.

Check if the projectile in frame is spinning or headed straight down. Intercepted piece should be spinning awkwardly. JDAM or any other directed projectile would be going straight down on target.

 

[Battlefield2142EU]

The goal of these threats may be to throw the Israelis into a panic over attacks from within. Just because they said they'll attack doesn't mean they'll do it.

Are you implying Palestinians are smart enough to come up with a simple plan like that? They needed outside help from Iran and Syria to carry out an attack on Israel.

 

[RodgerDodger]

I really don't appreciate your attempt to erase the history and suffering of the afro-japanese.

Educate yourself
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It was for the betterment of all. Those Afro-Japanese were much hornier than the regular type.

 

[AltisticRight]

In case you want to see how the Chinese view this war:
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>看透國際博弈核心
Says the ricecel who probably can't find Israel and Ukraine on a map but can identify any lolicon doujin from a screenshot 1/50 of the page.

Social-darwinism is one of the dumbest terms to be popularised by ChinaNet, another is "reverse nationalism" which basically means anyone in China who isn't an overt CPC simp. ie Chinese feminists (they're pro-troon so fuck them) and anyone remotely critical of the government. It's about on-par with the terms "woke", "SJW", "ontologically evil" and "stochastic terrorism".

They also ignore who the instigators were. For some, it's prodding but for others, it's the first gunshot. There's also no distinction between the government, people and the armies which elucidates the intelligence of whoever made this. If the Uyghurs killed 250 at the borders between Xinjiang (Tibet) and Qinghai, these idiots would be calling for genocide. They'll be whining about the Liberals making the same arguments as they are now making (and have been making in the past regarding stabbing attacks on civilians in China) to justify Hamas' massacre.

Spoiler: Screw this

Zelensky and his crony government sucks but Putin invaded first.
Bibi's psychopathic lot is gross but killing 260 stupid kids attending a music festival is far worse.

The only Palestinian of note that I can think of is Nayib Bukele, The president of El Salvador, and he himself said, after the attack, that Hamas is a liability.

This guy understands how to quickly fix a large population of barbarians and doesn't care about the innocent people caught in his crossfire because the tradeoff is absolutely worth it.
Maybe we should give him half a decade in Palestine too. I want to see mass prisons for these terrorists, get Foxxcom to build factories in the West Bank and force them to make smartphones.

In the days where you can have 4k monitors, it's very abstract to me that we aren't capable of missile tracking videos in 8k.

We have 4k and 8k monitors but resolution means nothing if the camera cannot keep up to it. You can digitally enlarge a 240p image to 16k, that doesn't mean anything.
Standard infrared cameras have tiny sensors with low resolution to be able to "see in the dark". Lenses for these things are special.
There are ones with higher resolution but their costs are formidable and generally used for research, not civil surveillance. A decent one with passable optics would cost $40k a pop.

Edit: 4k is 3840x2160 or 8.29 megapixels. Most cheap IR surveillance cameras are about 5 or so.
8k would be 33.17 megapixels, good luck finding any IR-capable camera and lenses that can do this at the cost of an average camera.
Even those research level IR cameras with large sensors cannot do 8k. Also in the IR band, the sensor overheats a lot, conversely, having high resolution doesn't mean anything when the result is full of noise.

 

[King George III]

Message from Iranian Embassy in Damascus

 

[quackrock]

Twitter's new revenue model has brought journalism to new lows, even worse than before. It incentivizes posting the most extreme headlines possible with no regard for truth.

How is this different from the regular online journalism revenue model? Is it just the fact that any random asshole can exploit it now?

 

[More AWS-8Q Than You]

You assume organized and deliberate action.

It could be a JDAM malfunctioned. How many bombs have Israel dropped? Perhaps in the rush to bomb Hamas, the used substandard bombs?

The people loading the JDAM could have damaged the unit due to lack of sleep.

An Israeli pilot could have just found out a close acquaintance died and said fuck it.

The Israeli government faced with incompetence or independent malevolence choose the third option.

Blame Hamas.

Sure, it's possible, just like it's possible Hamas had a substandard rocket that fell out of the sky and landed on a hospital. Accidents happen, but a good chunk of those Twitter accounts that are now experts on the sounds bombs make are also reflexively Anti-Western. If you care about the truth, it'll probably be worth waiting until we have actual daylight pictures and get a better perspective than arguing about what whistle-tips Hamas or the IDF put on their explosives.

If it is organized and deliberate or if it's just Hamas taking advantage of an accident, asking who benefits the most is a far more useful thing than listening to randoms on Twitter. That's the kinda shit that got America involved in a war with Spain.

 

[Racist Trash]

then it seems likely that's a JDAM strike based on the sound. On the other hand, there has been plenty of footage released on the internet with edited sound.

Thing is that JDAMs aren't really anything special compared to a normal bomb they are just a kit applied to a bomb to give it guidance therefor it plays that plenty of falling war things will make that sound.

 

[Falcos_Commisar]

Who gives a shit about Jordan though lol

Some CIA spooks who think being posted there and getting treats from the Kingis a HUGE DEAL AND JT EAS SUPER DANGEROUS (it wasn't)

Nah it's fine, Arabs are already denying it. That's the benefit of being an inbred retard, logic doesn't have to exist.

CORRECT

The have the longest shared land border with Israel and the West Bank and host 300,000+ Palestinian refugees. The US has extensive military cooperation with Jordan including shared use of Jordanian air bases. Most importantly however, Queen Rania of Jordan is ethnically Palestinian and a smoking hot GILF.

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Ehhh not bad but not Worth fighting the Israelis for.

Isn't this the same Deborah Lipstadt who threw a tantrum over David Irving? I swear I've seen that name.

Muslim journo living in the UK shows gratitude for his host country. Orthodox Jew shows how much he cares for goyim. https://ghostarchive.org/archive/3LuPP
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It ain't about the victims, just them dying to become Islamic martyrs. Go home, Hussain.

Yep, this utter shit bag needs to nut up and head to Gaza for some jihad. God I hate western Muslim Hamas fellatio experts SO GODDAMN MUCH

The Palestinians in Jerusalem armed themselves and swore to God that they would answer "the Jews within 24 hours."

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All of these retards are getting killed by the IDF/Israeli police in the next 48 hours.

This is about where I'm at with it. I'm honestly surprised Israel put up with the constant bombings, rocket attacks, and random kidnappings for so long.

Agreed, Hamas FINALLY found their Berserk button as it were.

Jack shit won't happen. The only reason Arabs would intervene is stop Palestinians from being pushed into their countries- the most dysgenic, dysfunctional there is. Palestinians are the gypsies of Arab countries. Palestinians are the Black Americans ejected and sold by Africa. Palestinians are the poles- the negros- of the Middle East who if they even controlled the region would be absorbed and dominated by another country like Jordan anyways. Happens when you use Bedouins instead of at least settled Arabs for pity points.

Yep, the Arab states HATE the Palestinians as all they do is takes gibs and pump out kids. Nothing else.

 

[mindlessobserver]

Don't know if its been posted yet, but in Ben Shapiro's latest episode he has stated the role of the USA to stop the crisis is to aid in the depopulation of Gaza and moving the Palestinians out of it as refugees.

This is the most obnoxious part of the "rules based international order". It not an international order. Its the American Imperium. The Pax Americana. Something the Arabs, the Europeans, and yes, even the fucking Jews have been undermining for half a century. Because it only served their purposes when it served it and otherwise they hated it. NOW they want the Empire to come down. To be the authority. Because they know international law, international tribunals, and non-governmental organizations are toothless entities without the gloved fist of American blood and treasure behind. The only true force is violence, and when it comes to violence, the American Empire can provide in spades.