2023 Israel-Palestine Armed Conflict

[Vaclav]

Another Xitter case study:

This tweet calls Hananya Naftali a "Netanyahu-appointed Israeli Digital Spokesperson" when he's not, he's just another "citizen journalist." But who's going to care if it's debunked when it has such power to spark anger? I don't know who the hell Jackson Hinkle is if he exists at all, someone may think this information is more convincing coming from a white guy avatar than an Arab.

 

[Givi]

To kill 500 people, you'd need a considerably more powerful projectile than the rockets Hamas is generally capable of building and operating unless said building is made out of cardboard and just collapses instantly on impact. A GRAD-tier rocket isn't going to level a building, it might not even punch through concrete. GRAD-tier rockets (which I'm referring to Hamas' as because it should be familiar to anyone following the Ukraine war, though they're likely poorer quality) are generally not expected to do anything but harass and maybe kill infantry and maybe an IFV if you get a super lucky direct hit. They aren't bunker-busters.

I doubt Hamas still has many of its more souped-up rockets, so having one accidentally fall on their own hospital would be some really bad luck. It's far more likely that there was either an intelligence fail on the Israeli side or they're just admitting they want to ethnically cleanse Gaza (and therefore the Lolocaust was justified. Checkmate jews).

 

[Ancient Pioneer]

What I don't understand is that there is a legitimate al jazeera took of the hamas rocket breaking up and falling on the hospital and the Arab world chimps out? Nigger what?

Because you can hear a fucking jet flying overhead at the time, if you can hear the jet the bomb is already in flight. I wish people would stop fucking commenting when they have zero idea what kind of equipment Hamas uses. Their rockets are little more than the grenades dropped via drones in Ukraine. Their rockets are mainly propellant and see that cone? Its about the size a 40mm mortar round. If you think this dinky fucking rocket caused that explosion you need to get your fucking head checked, these things are more useful in just expending Israel's (more like the American) military budget via Iron Dome intercepts, these missiles cost a few hundred dollars in material, the Iron Dome / Patriot batteries cost 100k USD an intercept. These missiles barely blow up a car with a direct hit, blowing up a hospital and generating an explosion with such force that you get a visible shockwave is beyond them. It was just mere chance that Hamas or whomever was firing off rockets at the same time as this JDAM being dropped.

 

[Vott]

The Nuseirat bakery is now rubble too, No more sliced bread. source

 

[AltisticRight]

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>Oy vey let's alter the results of this poll to show those damned antisemites
Notice how neither side is asking if the civilians and their families affected by this atrocity is okay?
Sure, initially Hamas were the brutal ones slaughtering a rave of stupid kids.
I think similar to the Slavic bitchfight, as time goes on, "observers on both sides" of this debacle will find common ground in "both of these freaks suck and I'm sick of what they're doing".

We need to wait who puts up a troon spokesmen first. Hamas will not allow it and I doubt Israel will either. It's going to be a wild ride.

 

[quackrock]

What I don't understand is that there is a legitimate al jazeera took of the hamas rocket breaking up and falling on the hospital and the Arab world chimps out? Nigger what?

Open questions:

- JDAM sound != sound of broken rocket bits falling to earth
- What is the size of the crater/disposition of the impact site?
- Was IDF conducting counter-battery artillery fire?
- Timing between rocket breakup and explosion seems off
- Hamas rocket payload seems on the low end to cause an explosion like we saw in the video
- IDF mouthpieces alternately claiming/denying responsibility, then deleting tweets

We'll probably know more for certain in the next 24-48 hrs

 

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Edit:

1. Apparently I was like 15 pages behind and didn't realize it, sorry everyone.
2. This in itself might be Pro-Israel propaganda covering their ass, since apparently the Hamas rocket, if it was, couldn't have done near as much damage as was actually done? But you guys are way ahead of even the autists on twitter, so, no need to rehash.

CNN is reporting a hospital in Gaza got hit but I don't know much yet.

UPDATE: Israeli warplanes bombed Al Ahli Arab Hospital in Gaza City; More than 800 Palestinians were bombed

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Spoiler: Bodies

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I'm probably late, but this is actually Hamas propaganda. The IDF didn't bomb the hospital, a Hamas rocket broke up and landed on the hospital, apparently.

https://twitter.com/ItayBlumental/status/1714412088435540010

https://twitter.com/daniopp/status/1714394637966663803

Here's a thread with a shitload of information and receipts. It was a Hamas rocket that broke up. Possibly due to the iron dome, possibly due to shitty rockets being made in people's back yards.

https://twitter.com/GeoConfirmed/status/1714390254935851272

https://archive.ph/kVGBa

Every Journalist outlet out there are jumping to be the first with breaking news, and both sides are abusing that. In this case, Hamas got the entire western media to pretend Israel attacked a hospital when in reality, Hamas fucked up and friendly fired it.

 

[ulsterscotsman]

Jihad it is.

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Could all sides just hurry the fuck up and get this shit over with, I'm so fucking sick of the waiting and sabre rattling.

 

[KingCoelacanth]

The 4D chess conspiracy I thought up is that Israel had intel of when Hamas was going to launch a rocket barrage, waited, then launched a strike during it to claim one of their rocket's fell short and landed on a hospital.
Not a good theory, but an interesting one imo

 

[mindlessobserver]

Does anyone have the actual video of the incident as it happened? Or can at least know where in this thread I can find it. Rocket Artillery is kinda my thing. If I can actually see what went down I may actually have actual expertise to apply. Search of youtube is useless. Its spammed with propaganda videos.

 

[AgendaPoster]

Breaking my self-imposed exile from topic to say:
Message to the Muslim Ummah:
DO IT DO IT DO IT FAGGOTS
Message to the Jewish Community which JBP neglected to post for some completely unknown reason:
You still have the US of A

 

[LaxerBRO]

A 98% chance of being "lol" and a 2% chance of "WW3", or at least civilization vs the arab muslim world. lovely.

Another scenario:

 

[Givi]

I'm probably late, but this is actually Hamas propaganda. The IDF didn't bomb the hospital, a Hamas rocket broke up and landed on the hospital, apparently.

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https://twitter.com/ItayBlumental/status/1714412088435540010

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https://twitter.com/daniopp/status/1714394637966663803

Here's a thread with a shitload of information and receipts. It was a Hamas rocket that broke up. Possibly due to the iron dome, possibly due to shitty rockets being made in people's back yards.

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https://twitter.com/GeoConfirmed/status/1714390254935851272

https://archive.ph/kVGBa

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Every Journalist outlet out there are jumping to be the first with breaking news, and both sides are abusing that. In this case, Hamas got the entire western media to pretend Israel attacked a hospital when in reality, Hamas fucked up and friendly fired it.

A rinky dink Hamas rocket getting intercepted mid-air isn't going to do anything but scorch the side of a building. Even in the best conditions where a Hamas rocket is more or less equivalent to a Shahed/Geran 2, this is the kind of damage you'd expect from something that wasn't forcibly brought down before doing what it's supposed to do.



Hamas aren't exactly building Iskanders out of water pipes in their basements.

 

[Cantaloupe52]

Well looks like the case is closed. It came from Israel, the director of the Al-Ahli Baptist hospital clarifies that they were given warnings apparently saying "We warned you yesterday with two bombs. Why have you not evacuated the hospital until this moment?” Mystery solved.

https://twitter.com/jacksonhinklle/status/1714440134697930956 ( archive https://archive.ph/63lt3)

If any one can translate that'd be greatly appreciated.

 

[King George III]

who the hell Jackson Hinkle

From what this says, he's an aspiring politician zoomer from SoCal and this video description from a Sam Seder debate, possibly a tankie

 

[quackrock]

This tweet calls Hananya Naftali a "Netanyahu-appointed Israeli Digital Spokesperson" when he's not, he's just another "citizen journalist."

From his website:
https://www.hnaftali.com (https://archive.ph/830Id)

Hananya has been working for Prime Minister Netanyahu in his digital team for the past 5 years. Hananya served in the Israeli army, fought Hamas during the Gaza War in 2014, treated Syrian wounded civilians as a combat medic, and today he defends Israel in the international arena.

From his author profile for The Jerusalem Post:
https://www.jpost.com/author/hananya-naftali (https://archive.ph/s6rlM)

Naftali has been working for the former Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu as part of his digital team for the past 3 years. Naftali served in the IDF and fought Hamas terrorists during Operation Protective Edge (2014) and treated wounded Syrian civilians as a combat medic.

 

[Scrumption]

Open questions:

- JDAM sound != sound of broken rocket bits falling to earth
- What is the size of the crater/disposition of the impact site?
- Was IDF conducting counter-battery artillery fire?
- Timing between rocket breakup and explosion seems off
- Hamas rocket payload seems on the low end to cause an explosion like we saw in the video
- IDF mouthpieces alternately claiming/denying responsibility, then deleting tweets

We'll probably know more for certain in the next 24-48 hrs

I believe it was reported that it fell in the parking lot. If the strike is deliberate, why would the strike not go straight for the hospital?
Are the death tolls accurate?
Was the building leveled or not?

 

[gay]

Here's a thread with a shitload of information and receipts. It was a Hamas rocket that broke up. Possibly due to the iron dome, possibly due to shitty rockets being made in people's back yards.

i've read through that thread before and i cannot reconcile that the shrapnel of their shitty bombs both sounds the way it did while also doing the damage it did, how come the one broken up Hamas missile levels a hospital while killing (apparently) hundreds of people while all the other missiles that do manage to land on target do not much of anything?

Does anyone have the actual video of the incident as it happened? Or can at least know where in this thread I can find it. Rocket Artillery is kinda my thing. If I can actually see what went down I may actually have actual expertise to apply. Search of youtube is useless. Its spammed with propaganda videos.

Spoiler: video

the director of the Al-Ahli Baptist hospital clarifies that they were given warnings apparently saying "We warned you yesterday with two bombs. Why have you not evacuated the hospital until this moment?”

for some further context, that same hospital that got obliterated a few hours ago was hit by Israeli rocket fire on Saturday as well (not sure if this was mentioned previously but this is pretty significant considering this hospital was among all the other ones to evacuate.)

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[mindlessobserver]

Watching Al Jazeera. Apparently, the USA is responsible for what is going on. Gee golly. Are we? Does this mean we need to "take responsibility?"

 

[Herr Buckingham the 3rd.]

Thing is that JDAMs aren't really anything special compared to a normal bomb they are just a kit applied to a bomb to give it guidance therefor it plays that plenty of falling war things will make that sound.

JDAMs are a guided kit system put on conventional bombs. It guides an unguided bomb to a target. In the simplest of terms, it is a GPS kit fitted to a conventional bomb. Conventional bombs are dropped from planes, of which Hamas has none.
>plenty of falling war things will make that sound
No, and the implication is not that the JDAM system makes that sound. The implication is that the IDF used the JDAM system on a conventional bomb to guide the bomb into the hospital. IE, the hospital was hit with a convetional bomb, and it was deliberate. It is not the JDAM system that makes that sound, and it isn't "plenty of things" that make that sound. Bombs dropped from planes make that sound. That's the only thing that makes that sound. As I said before, the sound is produced from the air moving through the stabilization fins on the back of the bomb as the bomb falls at terminal velocity. These sounds aren't generated from a speaker playing tom and jerry sound effects, they come from the physics behind the weapon. That is unmistakably a bomb dropped from a plane, not a missile.