2023 Israel-Palestine Armed Conflict

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More pictures and videos of the church bombing, it really seems now that the main 10th century building was obliterated.

pikachudidnothingwrong said:
Gotta love the self entitlement and buzz-crap though. "not listening to them & their communities etc" Were they their to serve the American people or their own self "identity" interests? This is actually a serious question! They need to be called out on this.
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Lmao.
“I come before you not only as the United States secretary of state,” Antony Blinken told Israel during a live-streamed press conference in Tel Aviv on Thursday, “but also as a Jew.”
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Tathagata said:
By this logic, every single war in history that wasn't resolved solely and conclusively on a removed battlefield is "collective punishment." Obfuscating the inherently horrific nature of war by conflating it with the connotations in the shifty, ambiguous, and undefinable phrase of "collective punishment" is, at best, a failure to exercise nuanced rationality, or, at worst, engagement in propaganda.

Collective punishment is when one kid talks back to the teacher so the teacher makes everyone eat lunch silently. The horror of war is when an artillery bombardment or cutting of electricity to an urban area occupied by combatants who want to kill you harms both non-combatants and combatants. Regardless of what "side" you're on, if you don't see the difference then you're not a serious discussant.
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yeah the cutting off water and power thing to Gaza sucks for any innocent civilians, but that's just a war tactic likely as old as war itself. Like have you never heard of surrounding a city and cutting off its supply chain to starve the city out? This is incredibly common throughout all the world in mankind's history. Sure it's a medieval tactic, but it's not like this is some new "war crime" the Israelis pulled out of their ass as an extra "fuck you" to the Gazans

And anyway, Israel turned the water back on in southern Gaza as a way to incentivize people to gtfo and evacuate
 
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Cpl. Long Dong Silver said:
I'll take hohol revisionist history for five hundred Alex.
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Dont worry guys. The MUSICIANS ARE AT WORK! btw here is my muscles. I look like retard!

Seriously, I dont know why anybody takes that retard seriously. He is the same as the hohols. All he does is follow a stupid headline thats exaggerated.
 
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Major von der Westfront said:
Dont worry guys. The MUSICIANS ARE AT WORK! btw here is my muscles. I look like retard!

Seriously, I dont know why anybody takes that retard seriously. He is the same as the hohols. All he does is follow a stupid headline thats exaggerated.
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People like their beliefs reaffirmed.
 
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Tathagata said:
By this logic, every single war in history that wasn't resolved solely and conclusively on a removed battlefield is "collective punishment." Obfuscating the inherently horrific nature of war by conflating it with the connotations in the shifty, ambiguous, and undefinable phrase of "collective punishment" is, at best, a failure to exercise nuanced rationality, or, at worst, engagement in propaganda.

Collective punishment is when one kid talks back to the teacher so the teacher makes everyone eat lunch silently. The horror of war is when an artillery bombardment or cutting of electricity to an urban area occupied by combatants who want to kill you harms both non-combatants and combatants. Regardless of what "side" you're on, if you don't see the difference then you're not a serious discussant.
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Wanted to share this video in response to this because it's unfoundedly naive to not notice the direct hypocrisy that is both employed by actual Israelis in government when criticizing them for being deliberate in their bombing of hospitals and civilians. They're not lying about it, they've been open about how they'd want to punish everyone involved including civilians, by classifying them all as complicit. When it was the IDFs' failure to defend itself from an attack that was already well known to them via Egyptian warning and intel that got them to this point in the first place.
https://youtu.be/AF-FoC0lWvM?si=IOY8NIcW2MXtw8nU
 
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toad of the depths said:
I'm not impressed they managed to eke out a victory with WW2 surplus on retards considering everything 3 years prior.
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I am impressed that the Zionist movement were able to take over an area that had previously been ruled by the British, Turks, Ottomans, Mamluks, Ayyubids, Christians, even the Romans.
What would be more impressive? For me, it would be if Zionists stopped being the worst kind of hypocrite liars on the planet aside their genetic neighbor and stopped taking my money while sending their undesirables to my country.
 
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Uncle Buck said:
I have a very good friend who is a nondenominational preacher who has gone there several times; he states that while he has good engagement with non-yews, he and his people - much to his initial surprise - were not well treated either by the Israeli.gov or by average citizens on the street.

Having had the misfortune of growing up in a minority evangelical Christian sect, I personally know firsthand just how much yews generally dislike people attempting to proselytize the self-ordained “chosen”.
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I mean if you go for the express purpose of trying to convert people, yeah, you're gonna get some people not liking it. There's a lot of history there, after all. There's some anti-missionaries there that can also run laps around most lay Christians/Messianic believers*, too (the ones that just spout off points they've heard, and can't actually argue their side well because they haven't delved into Scripture well enough). On the flip side, there are also a few Christians/Messianics that can argue points well and they're usually taken a little more seriously.

But I don't recommend going JUST to try to convert people. Fantastic for learning more about the roots of the faith, though!

Sorry your buddy had that experience. Sounds like no one told the group about how history has led to some division there. But Israel will absolutely let Christians in. Remember there's still a large Catholic presence there, and also they're not dumb enough to turn away tourism (because most countries like money, jokes about my fellow tiny hat wearers non-withstanding).

*Messianics, like Christianity in general, run a large gamut, from those who are way more Sunday Church Christian to those who are intimately familiar with Judaism and practice it but believe Messiah has come already and He happens to be that Jesus/Yeshua fellow. For the purpose of this conversation, the ones I'm referring to here are mostly on the side of Messianic Christian. Nothing against them, though. Follow the Spirit and practice as God calls you, and never stop learning.
 
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Ballistics said:
Yeah, TikTok is really the ultimate cesspool of unnuanced takes. My favorite example is @rathbonemakesmusic. The perhaps most unnuanced "thinker" I've ever heard that isn't a Muslim. They take a very simplified oppressor = bad, anything oppressed does = good all while dunking on some epic strawmen arguments.

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I just want less hours, free healthcare and fairer wages. This "leftist" shit is getting us nowhere closer.
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I fucking hate Communist videos because they are full of logical inconsistencies that one needs to accept for their premise to be true.

I also think this new brand of social justice is based on the good vs. bad paradigm of the Western world. It's kinda why conflicts in Africa are routinely ignored by the progressives even though the casualties are horrific.

God damned Star Wars / Harry Potter mentality.
 
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EyeGuy said:
Jihad Mehisan, the fat fuck who headed the Gaza "National Security Forces", was killed along with his entire family in an Israeli airstrike.View attachment 5426311View attachment 5426312View attachment 5426313
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Double-posting because mobile TOR hates multi-quotes for me, but

1) His name was Jihad???? Seriously?? Talk about naming your kid what you want him to go into!
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2) That beard deserved to be nuked. It looks bad on him. I'd tell him to grow a real beard buuuut that's no longer a concern for him, is it?
3) He looks like a stereotypical Scotsman and I'm sorry to all the Scots here for that.
 
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Kiwiballs said:
OT but whats wrong with Tavors?
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make_it_so said:
Mainly the same issue that all bullpup designs have - extremely back heavy and poor trigger pull. The only reason they're used at all is because their compact size makes them good for use by mechanized infantry and paratroops
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I’ve heard that supposedly the Tavor is one of the best bullpups used by an army but I’ve never handled one so don’t know how true that statement is. Maybe Kiwis that have can opine.

Iirc there are/were rumblings that Israel intends/intended to replace it with the American M4 (which they already have a large supply of anyways) so if that’s the case it being one of the best bullpups doesn’t mean much. I think there is also a trend of militaries that adopted bullpups switching back to more conventional designs (I believe France is one of them).
 
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LaxerBRO said:
I also think this new brand of social justice is based on the good vs. bad paradigm of the Western world. It's kinda why conflicts in Africa are routinely ignored by the progressives even though the casualties are horrific.

God damned Star Wars / Harry Potter mentality.
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I think that's unfortunately a consequence of the culture degenerating to the point where there is no shared history or philosophy that people can effectively appeal to outside of Latest Consoomer Product. ™️
 
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AN/ALR56 said:
More pictures and videos of the church bombing, it really seems now that the main 10th century building was obliterated.
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I'm waiting until the morning, from what I can glean from reports on this airstrike is that the Israelis bombed a structure that is part of the church's complex, like a rectory building, or a building immediately adjacent to the complex and the resulting concussive force collapsed the church or some of these adjacent church related structures. Given that its a 10th century structure there is a high probability of the church itself suffered damage even if it was not directly hit.
 
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