2023 Israel-Palestine Armed Conflict

[Seafarer]

I think that's unfortunately a consequence of the culture degenerating to the point where there is no shared history or philosophy that people can effectively appeal to outside of Latest Consoomer Product.

I think I remember a quote that goes something like “all stories in the modern world come from the Bible or WW2” and I’d agree except most modern people probably don’t recognize the biblical influence on modern stories (like how people don’t recognize stuff like how the Superman backstory is a retelling of the story of Moses).

 

[Historical Strelkov]

London: A woman tearing down photos of missing civilians kidnapped by Hamas is confronted by a Jewish woman. The vandal curses her out.

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How quiet and quaint would Britain be right now without the foreigners there.
Indeed, We live in a period.

 

[make_it_so]

I’ve heard that supposedly the Tavor is one of the best bullpups used by an army but I’ve never handled one so don’t know how true that statement is. Maybe Kiwis that have can opine.

Admittedly I've only handled semi-auto civilian versions in gun shops (and haven't fired them myself), but out of just simply handling them I've personally found the Croatian VHS rifle to be most well balanced feeling bullpup that's out there, being a lot less back heavy and having a smoother trigger than either the Tavor or the AUG.

 

[412-L]

French police have made arrests of pro-Palestinian protesters in Paris.

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[AN/ALR56]

That's a lot of rebar for a 10th century building

A church was built on the site as early as 425 AD,[2] but the construction of the current church was undertaken by the Crusaders in the 1150s or 1160s; they dedicated it St Porphyrius. Records from the 15th century show that dedication of the church was also attested to the Virgin Mary.[3] In 1856, it was renovated.[1] There are some cornices and bases that date back to the Crusader period, but much of the other portions are later additions.[4]

 

[NewnameRealEmail]

Even if some church in Gaza got blown up why does it matter? There are thousands of other churches in the world which you can visit. Secondly, I find it highly doubtful that you would ever travel there if you’re posting in this thread. Try to be less emotionally invested over walls and a roof my man.

 

[AN/ALR56]

Even if some church in Gaza got blown up why does it matter? There are thousands of other churches in the world which you can visit. Secondly, I find it highly doubtful that you would ever travel there if you’re posting in this thread. Try to be less emotionally invested over walls and a roof my man.

>IT DIDNT HAPPEN, FAKE NEWS (A week ago)​

>IT DIDNT HAPPEN IN THE 10TH CENTURY CHURCH, IT WAS A BUILDING NEXT TO IT!​

>MAYBE IT HAPPENED, BUT HAMAS HAS WEAPONS CACHES INSIDE CHURCHES, TRUST ME BRO, SO ITS JUSTIFIED ANYWAY​

>LOL WHY YOU SO MAD A CHURCH GOT BLOWN UP?​

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[NewnameRealEmail]

>IT DIDNT HAPPEN, FAKE NEWS (A week ago)​

>IT DIDNT HAPPEN IN THE 10TH CENTURY CHURCH, IT WAS A BUILDING NEXT TO IT!​

>MAYBE IT HAPPENED, BUT HAMAS HAS WEAPONS CACHES INSIDE CHURCHES, TRUST ME BRO, SO ITS JUSTIFIED ANYWAY​

>LOL WHY YOU SO MAD A CHURCH GOT BLOWN UP?​

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Straw man that all you want. I haven’t walked anything back. My stance on the church is that it doesn’t matter.

 

[TheBigZee]

With what?

Rocket parts and technology.

 

[HOMO FOR LIFE RETURNS]

I think it'll be far closer to 5000 than 50,000
This youtuber is strongly anti-NATO, and predicts it'll end before 3000 IDF die.

Gaza is tiny and shares a boarder with Egypt. Just 40km long.

3000 loss to take a one million strong city? No fucking way. There is a guaranteed 100k Hamas or militia resistance that's going to be waiting for Israel..

Thankfully NATO isn't supplying Gaza subhumans to fight against Israel but you get the point.

 

[Catch The Rainbow]

That part of the Orthodox process might be more humane, but there's also this part

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohel

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Yeah not a lot of people use their mouth anymore for that thanks to herpes killing babies

 

[AN/ALR56]

Straw man that all you want. I haven’t walked anything back. My stance on the church is that it doesn’t matter.

Even if some kibbutz in Israel got blown up why does it matter? There are hundreds of other kibbutz in Israel which you can visit. Secondly, I find it highly doubtful that you would ever travel there if you’re posting in this thread. Try to be less emotionally invested over walls and a roof my goy.

 

[Historical Strelkov]

Admittedly I've only handled semi-auto civilian versions in gun shops (and haven't fired them myself), but out of just simply handling them I've personally found the Croatian VHS rifle to be most well balanced feeling bullpup that's out there, being a lot less back heavy and having a smoother trigger than either the Tavor or the AUG.

Spoiler: Gun sperging

As far as I know, the only Bullpups in use with Special Forces is the Steyr Aug, which arguably is the best one. I would say that the general trend is the best weapons go to special forces, if they adopt it, it's worth looking at. If what they adopt becomes the standard for the rest of the military, then its probably great. AFAIK that's how the M4 SOPMOD became the base for the modern M4 infantry kit. I think in general, the advantage of the bullpup having a shortened barrel is negated by the disadvantage of having to cross your arms to reload, and that is reflected in the general military consensus across the world. Hence, the enormous popularity of the AR platform, and the long stroke piston system of the AK. The fact that the Russians developed the 5.45 which is very similar to the 5.56 and then the A-545 which clearly is influenced by the M4 in terms of how the lower and upper parts are removed leads me to believe that the Tavor isn't really going to be around a decade from now unless I'm missing some key factor it has that other rifles don't.

I don't get it, seems backwards to me, and the idea of keeping things balanced and centered makes more sense as the MGX concept worked.

 

[Catch The Rainbow]

>IT DIDNT HAPPEN, FAKE NEWS (A week ago)​

>IT DIDNT HAPPEN IN THE 10TH CENTURY CHURCH, IT WAS A BUILDING NEXT TO IT!​

>MAYBE IT HAPPENED, BUT HAMAS HAS WEAPONS CACHES INSIDE CHURCHES, TRUST ME BRO, SO ITS JUSTIFIED ANYWAY​

>LOL WHY YOU SO MAD A CHURCH GOT BLOWN UP?​

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I don't see any pictures or videos that show it was the main church that got blown up.

Sunrise in Gaza is in a few hours, light of day will show what really happened

 

[make_it_so]

How quiet and quaint would Britain be right now without the foreigners there.
Indeed, We live in a period.

I've mentioned it before in some other threads, but I am starting to think that the post-war Western approach to refugees has ultimately only served to perpetuate overseas national and sectarian conflicts, if not simply bring them to new overseas fronts. It may save innocent lives, but also serves to give respite to combatant factions, and gives them a possible long term hope of continuing to fight. We saw this first hand with the Palestinian refugees in Europe in the 1960's and 70's becoming the key recruiting base and source of support for the terror campaigns of those decades, the Tamil and Sikh separatists trying to continue fights from the refuge of Canada in the 1980s, Somali and Libyan war refugees returning to their home countries to train and fight and even go on to carry out terror attacks back in the West, and we are seeing it flare up again with Tigray and other ethnic tribes from Ethiopia.

As harsh as it may sound, there is a cold, calculated, Mr. Spock in "A Taste of Armageddon" logic in denying refugee entry for members of active warring factions or tribes from entering other nations as long as the conflicts are taking place. By doing so, it ultimately forces one of two outcomes:

1. One side is decisively and undeniably defeated, and unfortunately all that that can imply (worst possible outcome)
2. One or both of the warring factions reach a state where they are left with no choice but to sit down and negotiate a settlement that addresses the respective grievances as best as possible and provides a long-term path for peace and stability (best possible and ideal outcome)

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

That's a lot of rebar for a 10th century building

Muslims invented everything.

 

[AN/ALR56]

Spoiler: Gun sperging

As far as I know, the only Bullpups in use with Special Forces is the Steyr Aug, which arguably is the best one. I would say that the general trend is the best weapons go to special forces, if they adopt it, it's worth looking at. If what they adopt becomes the standard for the rest of the military, then its probably great. AFAIK that's how the M4 SOPMOD became the base for the modern M4 infantry kit. I think in general, the advantage of the bullpup having a shortened barrel is negated by the disadvantage of having to cross your arms to reload, and that is reflected in the general military consensus across the world. Hence, the enormous popularity of the AR platform, and the long stroke piston system of the AK. The fact that the Russians developed the 5.45 which is very similar to the 5.56 and then the A-545 which clearly is influenced by the M4 in terms of how the lower and upper parts are removed leads me to believe that the Tavor isn't really going to be around a decade from now unless I'm missing some key factor it has that other rifles don't.
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I don't get it, seems backwards to me, and the idea of keeping things balanced and centered makes more sense as the MGX concept worked.

I think the world will standardize on the AR style with gas pistons but in a larger caliber with 2-4x optics like what the US is doing with the XM7 and the G3 and 7.62 AK103s are doing now in Ukraine.
Bullpups are dead in my opinion, their principal benefit (being smaller for mechanized/airborne) troops has proven moot since Ukraine showed how good of a idea is to be inside a vehicle in a era of drones and anti-tank mines.

 

[Vaclav]

Muslims invented everything.

They got it from the grays, didn't you watch Ancient Aliens?

 

[Falcos_Commisar]

I have a very good friend who is a nondenominational preacher who has gone there several times; he states that while he has good engagement with non-yews, he and his people - much to his initial surprise - were not well treated either by the Israeli.gov or by average citizens on the street.

Having had the misfortune of growing up in a minority evangelical Christian sect, I personally know firsthand just how much yews generally dislike people attempting to proselytize the self-ordained “chosen”.

That's because going to most foreign countries and cold calling conversions usually don't get received well

Israel is a tough nut but it's 10x easier than say..... Any Muslim majority country in the MENA.

If anything good comes out from this bloody conflict, it should be a long-overdue understanding of the folloiwng:

1) higher education is fucked. It directly promotes terrorism, eradication of their own state ("dEcOlOnizaTioN"), and pseudo-scientific gender shit. It needs to be either cleaned of that bullshit (impossible) or defunded (somewhat possible) or ridiculed to fuck (way to go KF).

2) traditional media are fucked. People boasting with "standarts of reporting" don't know what fact checking is and believe what a random terorirst says word-to-word because "opression". Their false reporting basically cost human lives.

3) EU migration laws are fucked to the situation when they can't be unfucked. They have a sifnificant % of population living by VII century values and wishing those countrie and their citizens would be destroyed. Knowing extreme cuckoldy of EU, RIP, it was good while it lasted.

4) "but all religions are bad!!11" is fucked. You have to perform exteme mental acrobatics to state that christanity of XXI century is as bad as islam of XXI century. There is no "islamophobia" there is only an adequate reaction to the real threat.

Goddamn right. Suck if the cancerous rot that is Jihadi fellatio that's infected educational institutions

On the off chance Western countries are forced to take refugees, it should be a requirement that anyone who posted pro-Palestinian messages be required to takes a minimum of 10 rapefugees into their home.

Exactly. Every Hamas lover in the USA should have to personally host multiple Gazans

OT but whats wrong with Tavors?

Nothing. It'd a long stroke gas piston bullpup aka a bullpup AK.

If the world walked away and let the war play out then they wont like the outcome.
Letting it play out means Israel gets wiped off the map. They are a spec in the middle of the Islamic world. A spec that needs constant infusion of money and weapons from their Greatest Goy to keep their little bunker secured.

Israel can go Total Gaza Death and it still wont end. They are still completely surrounded by people who want them dead. The endless cycle of violence will continue to be endless.

People keep calling this part of the world things like the Holy Land. I think they are wrong. Its actually cursed by God, not blessed. Nothing but endless pain, suffering and death has been happening there for 2000 years.

What would actually happen would be most Arab armies getting wrecked and maybe the Arab human waves would cause Israel to win out of ammo. In that instance ~200 Israeli nuclear warheads would hit 200 Arab and Iranian cities.

I can't find a source on this now but I heard that it's possible for them to jam in such a way that you have to break the rifle's plastic casing in order to clear it. I've noticed that bullpups are most popular with armed forces that don't do much actual fighting like in Europe. From an engineering standard getting the same barrel length in a shorter overall rifle seems like a big win but practically the super-mushy trigger and extremely unbalanced weight is awful.

Not true. Tavor has the same basic operation as an AK.

The trigger on my X95 is fine and the weight vanishes when you shoulder it.

If that really is the main church obliterated I am bullying every christcuck that tries to whatabout or "BUT" their way around this.

Christians don't worship buildings, or they shouldn't. That church will be rebuilt as it already has been multiple times

I’ve heard that supposedly the Tavor is one of the best bullpups used by an army but I’ve never handled one so don’t know how true that statement is. Maybe Kiwis that have can opine.

Iirc there are/were rumblings that Israel intends/intended to replace it with the American M4 (which they already have a large supply of anyways) so if that’s the case it being one of the best bullpups doesn’t mean much. I think there is also a trend of militaries that adopted bullpups switching back to more conventional designs (I believe France is one of them).

Israel gets their M4s for almost free or actually free so if course they'd have a lot. They have to pay full price for the Tavors. The great bullpup switcheroo is happening because some counties want an AR style rifle.

That's a lot of rebar for a 10th century building

Because it's been rebuilt a lot over the last 1000 years

I think the world will standardize on the AR style with gas pistons but in a larger caliber with 2-4x optics like what the US is doing with the XM7 and the G3 and 7.62 AK103s are doing now in Ukraine.
Bullpups are dead in my opinion, their principal benefit (being smaller for mechanized/airborne) troops has proven moot since Ukraine showed how good of a idea is to be inside a vehicle in a era of drones and anti-tank mines.

Ehhh the G3 is dead, the XM7 is dead or will be extremely niche, and the AK103 isn't being used as a standard service rifle anywhere except India.

 

[borsabil]

Straw man that all you want. I haven’t walked anything back. My stance on the church is that it doesn’t matter.

Scratch a Jew and you see their unrelenting hatred for Christianity and Christians. Can come as something of a shock for normies, boomers in particular

Even if some kibbutz in Israel got blown up why does it matter? There are hundreds of other kibbutz in Israel which you can visit. Secondly, I find it highly doubtful that you would ever travel there if you’re posting in this thread. Try to be less emotionally invested over walls and a roof my goy.

Blowing up places of worship is a war crime. But then again so is blowing up apartment buildings and hospitals so who's counting?