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The Cardassians were actually likable though.
2023 Israel-Palestine Armed Conflict
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verissimus
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Stage 3 sounds incredibly ominous.
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Ealen
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I'm somewhat more optimistic about this. Even America can be safe as long as you don't mind hillbillies or cold weather. Rural Europe is even better.
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It just means that without water and electricity from Israel then Gaza will be uninhabitable and that's over.
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It's not ominous so much as purposefully vague and open-ended. The Israeli public is baying for a second Nakba right now, and the government is walking a very fine line trying to balance that and satisfying the "humanitarian" concerns of western governments.
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And the light of day shows the church is fine.
This makes the second time in two weeks that the Palestinians lied about the church being destroyed and /trad/ Christians blindly believed them
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Good.
However there's still people trapped in rubble, a refuge was deliberately targeted, people died.
But I guess you don't give a shit anyway or you will say they had weapons.
I am a big fan of rural Europe personally. Low property prices, not really enriched, low crime. The only downside is really noisy neighbours and you have to have some level of social interaction.
Damn IDF keeps missing the church. They really need to step up their precision.
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So how much longer are people expecting this to go on?
It doesn't feel like it'll be a long haul like Ukraine. At least not in the active war sense.
It doesn't feel like it'll be a long haul like Ukraine. At least not in the active war sense.
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Circle jerk contrarianism. Honestly, its not that difficult to go to either country (especially China, just jump on an ESL program). Its the TardCath version of 'Thats it, I'm moving to Canada.
Kind of, nations memory hole things too. The states that already disliked the US will continue to dislike the US, and the states that sided with Ukraine typically seem to side with Israel as well. The only big exception is maybe India, which was closer to Putin, but really, really hates muslims so they're actually cheering on the US for once.
What this hurts more is US-Middle Eastern relations, but honestly- while this is bad geopolitically, I think most people in this thread hate Saudi Arabia anyways so, play ball I guess?
Id honestly say that the chances of WW3 are pretty low here, as much as people want to hype it.
Let me explain, state by state:
The only people who hate Palestinians more than Israelis are probably Egyptians. They call them cockroaches literally in Egypt, Sadat was assassinated by groups that had ties to Fatah, and they honestly are a functional ally of Israel in everything but name. They may throw up a diplomatic roadblock here or there, but they realize that if they wanted to invade Israel (which they don't), they'd probably lose the Sinai again, probably have to take in the refugees themselves, and would lose US military funding entirely. The Egyptian dictatorship basically relies entirely on US funding to function. Imagine losing 1.3 billion per year in revenue. Take them off the table for war.
Jordan is a US ally, its military is not the same military they had in the 70s, they already fought one civil war against Palestinians in the 70s, and they're functionally an Israeli satellite state. Theres massive economic cooperation between the two countries, let alone shared security concerns against the Saudis and other Islamist groups. Their existential threat is both the Saudis and the fundies in Iran, so they're pushed into cooperation with the US and Israel, whether they like it or not. They honestly have more to fear from the Saudis over anyone else. Theyre the last real Hashemite state, and they won't intervene.
That leaves Lebanon. Hezbollah is the obvious threat, 50 - 60,000 strong. Saying that, Hezbollah is officially a part of the government (which does add some constraints if they want to remain a part of it), they don't have the forces for a ground invasion, and the Lebanese government has incentive to not let it get to that point, because they know that if war came, Israel and probably the US would start assassinating/drone striking random Hezbollah linked politicians. They don't have the tanks, planes, or real military capability to launch a ground offensive. They could bog Israel down in a domestic guerilla war, they can launch missiles, but they really do not have the heavy artillery or weaponry required for an actual military invasion. This isn't the 70s- and their economy is basically bust as well. Maybe that would make unemployed Lebanese radicals more prone to attacking Israel, but the actual government has no money, no heavy weapons, and likely isn't keen on making their situation worse. They're not as stupid as Hamas (theyre just more corrupt).
That leaves Syria next, which has just gotten out of its own brutal civil war (though arguably, its still in it with a semi-defacto Kurdistan in the north still existing and some pockets of islamists still at large). Military is weaker, economy is tanked, and they aren't keen to get into another war soon. Without Russia, they probably would not have made it out of this war. Literally, 90% of infrastructure has been destroyed, which is nightmaric
Really, the only real regional threat would be Iran. Its up for debate if they would attack, they probably will saber rattle and hit with proxy forces (arguably, theyre already doing that with Hezbollah, Houthis in Yemen, and Hamas), but theyre not going to want to test the US at this point. Not going to get too into detail with Irans issues here,
but I think what this is all going to come down to is more saber rattling and potential diplomatic isolation for the US, not WW3. I think this may cost the US in the future, but you also have to remember that half these states basically rely on US military and economic aid to function. They may yell a bit, they may withdraw diplomats, they may allow their civilians to act a bit naughty at embassies to let off steam, but I don't think we have a current serious risk of war here. Call that optimistic, and maybe I am being optimistic here, but I just wanted to list the reasons that make a broader war less likely. All the states around Israel are basically either castrated, already cooperative with Israel, or have just gotten out of their own wars, so that limits the potential for another broader conflict.
They more want to use the Palestinian issue, than to help the Palestinians. This is more about diplomatic ammunition than actual ammunition, other than random border attacks from fringe groups and missiles being fired in/terrorist attacks, I wouldn't expect any major ground offensives.
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Rei is Shit.
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Its pretty hard to make latinx care about some holocaust shit right now. Best of luck guilting them after offing a shitload of people on HD livestreams.
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I despise the squad but on this issue I have to give them props Pelosi and Schumer must be oy veying real hard right now seems they can't corral them the way they did AOC that one time. I appreciate the dem in fighting.
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This really is just a second gulf war
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Reports of mortar shelling at Israel-Lebanon border, Mount Dov Radar Installation attacked
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What do they mean with "end any responsibility for life in Gaza"? I assume its a mistranslated of something like "assume every responsibility for life in Gaza?"
CashMoney!
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This. It doesn't matter who wins. In the scenario I outlined above, Palistinians are either exterminated by their Zionist overlords or exported as refugees, and both will lead to instability for the West overall because those outcomes are seen as lose/lose for Muslims which stokes the fires of violence in each of their global enclaves. They're very angry and will be for a long time, not just at Israel but every country that supports them. Even if Gaza inhabitants are bulldozed with survivors hastily transplanted into other nations in a successful ground operation, it just means a new Gaza Strip in each country they end up in over time as nations shut them into ghettos again due to them only knowing war and despair. They already have no-go zones in the UK and Europe which will only expand as hostilities grow exponentially. Remember your leaders brought this culture to your doorstep, knowing they would not assimilate with Euro-Christian roots, and relying on them to be fully capable of fucking shit up so you as a citizen live in fear of them as your primary distraction instead of the state.
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No, the translation is accurate. Like I said, the government is being purposefully vague on the end goal here. It's also somewhat contradictory. How are we supposed to enforce a new security regime in Gaza while being completely "detached" from it?