2023 Israel-Palestine Armed Conflict

[tiffanytwisted]

Also, More leaflets were dropped on Gaza source
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It’s getting hard to sympathize with these retards when we’re literally TWO WEEKS out from the start of this shit and they still refuse to move. I think IDF sucks but at least currently they’re not rolling in and stabbing every random dunecoon to death the way Hamas just did to them. At this point they’re fucking begging the civilians to gtfo so they don’t have to kill them. Their refusal to move is insane to me. I understand it’s scary to leave your home and know you may not be able to return to your property and possessions, but isn’t your survival and the survival of your children worth it? I know I’m looking at it from a western point of view rather than a “die-for-allah” martyr point of view, but I just know I’d grab my babies and run the second their lives were threatened, without question. It’s crazy to me that their upbringing and martyrdom glorification can actually override the natural human survival instincts.

 

[Clotso Coof]

This thread will hit 1000+ pages before we get any IDF invasion footage. Fucking bullshit. I can't believe how much time I've waited for the holy race war to begin.

 

[Kiwiballs]

This thread will hit 1000+ pages before we get any IDF invasion footage. Fucking bullshit. I can't believe how much time I've waited for the holy race war to begin.

Hey, have patience. It'll be great and if it goes off really well you might just experience sudden flashes of light infront of your own windows in that one, big, final happening!

 

[JJLiautaud]

Churchill literally decided to stop terror bombing after dresden because of the public reaction to it. Public perception of things plays a pretty big part in war and if you neglect this then you are retarded.

Dresden was in February 1945, Germany surrendered in May, and the last really valuable target, the Ruhr Valley, was captured in April; Hamburg was in 1943, Allied Bomber Command spent 2 years annihilating German cities, they did it so often they came up with a verb for it, hamburgization.

 

[FedPostalService]

Dresden was in February 1945 Germany surrendered in May, and the last really valuable target the Ruhr Valley was captured in April; Hamburg was in 1943, Allied Bomber Command spent 2 years annhilating German cities, they did it so often they came up with a verb for it, hamburgization.

Sir Arthur Harris spelt it “hamburgerisation”, you savage.

 

[Vaclav]

i don't get this Hananya Naftali guy, you have a source for these images but instead of posting the originals you post some really shitty AI upscaled ones and then get mad that people point out it has all the hallmarks of AI generation, you'd think after shitting the bed by claiming the IDF bombed the hospital that they would take away all his electronics but nope; still around to keep the JIDF workforce busy by having to defend all his retarded tweets.

If you think you've hit bottom, keep digging. I think that's in the Talmud.

Just dumping money and munitions in the sand until they can get back to status quo, with a litlle bit of the starch taken out of the warhawk part of their population at little to no cost to themselves. Honestly, it's a fairly great strategy if you're looking to entrench yourself and your cronies in leadership for the next decade or so.

At the end of that decade they'd better split for Switzerland with their ill-gotten gains. If they don't so something serious and do it ASAP, Israel has basically been checkmated. They will have shown that they can only stay in a holding pattern while the surrounding Arabs continue to multiply and encroach on them. Arabs can continue needling them the way that Hezbollah is doing from the north, along with using psyops like the guys who wander through Jerusalem recording with their phones. As their nerves are worn down the Arabs will step up the attacks until a real invasion force breaches the borders.

 

[JJLiautaud]

Sir Arthur Harris spelt it “hamburgerisation”, you savage.

The voiced aveolar frictive is pronounced /z/, you bong.

 

[Throwing Romans]

It’s getting hard to sympathize with these retards when we’re literally TWO WEEKS out from the start of this shit and they still refuse to move. I think IDF sucks but at least currently they’re not rolling in and stabbing every random dunecoon to death the way Hamas just did to them. At this point they’re fucking begging the civilians to gtfo so they don’t have to kill them. Their refusal to move is insane to me. I understand it’s scary to leave your home and know you may not be able to return to your property and possessions, but isn’t your survival and the survival of your children worth it? I know I’m looking at it from a western point of view rather than a “die-for-allah” martyr point of view, but I just know I’d grab my babies and run the second their lives were threatened, without question. It’s crazy to me that their upbringing and martyrdom glorification can actually override the natural human survival instincts.

Why would you assume that moving is safer for them? I don't think this is a martyrdom thing, I think this is a realization that there is nowhere for them to hide.

 

[Tyrannosaurus rex]

I kind of expected the US to have boots on the ground by this point But instead they've been hemming and hawing and calling for peace and shit which feels very weird.

 

[Victory Leo]

I kind of expected the US to have boots on the ground by this point But instead they've been hemming and hawing and calling for peace and shit which feels very weird.

Boots on the ground costs the US money and political brownie points when we don't really need them, at least not yet. selling Israel a fuckton of weapons doesn't.

 

[XYZpdq Jr.]

Boots on the ground costs the US money and political brownie points when we don't really need them, at least not yet. selling Israel a fuckton of weapons doesn't.

local talk radio's regular Israeli contributor with the dead nephew has also brought up his perception that there's a strong feeling among the locals that although support and aid from the USA is welcome, Israel wants to be the ones who get to actually kill the fuck out of Gaza

 

[verissimus]

I kind of expected the US to have boots on the ground by this point But instead they've been hemming and hawing and calling for peace and shit which feels very weird.

That's pretty much what we've been doing in that specific region since the 1960s.

 

[chiobu]

Bong police: you can't call a man a man but jihad has many meanings chud



https://twitter.com/metpoliceuk/status/1715751560167223683 (Archive)

 

[ZMOT]

Bong police: you can't call a man a man but jihad has many meanings chud

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we really need a sticker for bri'ish content.

otoh the islamic content one already exists....

 

[Accidental Racism]

Gotta be honest, this is the last place I expected to see people schizo posting about how a girl is a secret Nazi because she took a picture with a stuffed octopus in the background.
Feels like I'm on Twitter.

Honestly this type of thing makes way more sense when you remember that jews are more likely to have schizophrenia than other groups.

 

[curson]

I understand moral objections to turning cities to dust but I don't get people claiming it wasn't effective. Strategic bombing forced the German industry to disperse and by 1945 it was really rough to get material from the factory to the front before it got destroyed. In the last month or two of the war there wasn't really much point to it anymore since making the rubble bounce while maybe being satisfying to some doesn't have much military impact

It also tied up tens of thousands of men and thousand of barrels to shoot at the sky when they could have instead been put on the front to shoot at allied combat troops pushing through Europe. Fighter units had to be pulled from the front to defend the Reich as well.

I remember that as well, but can't find the article unfortunately. So there's a small risk it was satire and I am misremembering it. But considering working out and being healthy is also very nazi, it certainly sounds plausible.

Nah, it was not that effective after all, couldn't break the population nor the production. But the strikes at the refineries did their job well.

 

[Instant_Pot_User]

Bong police: you can't call a man a man but jihad has many meanings chud

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I fucking hate Western governments for giving people like this

1. entry into Western countries
2. a free pass to call for terrorism (don't fucking taqiyya this, it's pretty clear)
3. unlimited social capital and implicit approval because they're "Black and Brown people (i.e. les nègres magiques)"

 

[toad of the depths]

Strategic bombing forced the German industry to disperse and by 1945 it was really rough to get material from the factory to the front before it got destroyed. In the last month or two of the war there wasn't really much point to it anymore since making the rubble bounce while maybe being satisfying to some doesn't have much military impact

It also tied up tens of thousands of men and thousand of barrels to shoot at the sky when they could have instead been put on the front to shoot at allied combat troops pushing through Europe. Fighter units had to be pulled from the front to defend the Reich as well.

Spoiler: Contextualizing Saturation Bombardments of WW2

Everything you've said here could've easily been accomplished through the destruction of infrastructure targets (bridges, highways, railways, powerplants, industrial campuses, etc), esp considering german industrial output increased every year until '45, strategic saturation bombardment has never really been all that effective as a wartime tactic (everyone thinks you're an asshole, you strengthen enemy resolve to fight till the end, and they can just put their shit underground). The point actually could plausibly make a certain amount of sense until you realize actually how retard tier allied bombing operations were. We managed to kill more French civilians during Overlord than died during the entirety of the German occupation/invasion (consider that german capability was reduced to the sporadic tactical dive bomber and less parity with tube/rocket artillery, IE there is no way the Germans in northern France had the capability to kill that many people while fighting as they did). The allies accomplished this amazing feat of wartime logistics in ~3 months. Consider the magnitude of negligence and casual disregard of the lives of one of your allies civvies b/c you want the expedience of running shermans to the Rhine on a slightly more convenient timetable (Also bitching about Stalin doesn't count, my FDR in polio you fed and armed the Red Army).

Like nigga we firebombed japan until they gave a conditional surrender, nuked them twice demanding unconditional (an excuse to test the nukes, they weren't that much better than firebombing) and then gave them terms on the surrender and occupation that we probably could've negotiated out of them. To call the allied air campaigns anything less than sociopathic displays of casual disregard for civilians on all sides frankly relieves the strategic air forces of the western allies of blame for a casual disregard of human life.

For fucks sakes, we built 1:1 replicas of suburbs in the western USA to practice and test firebombing on to maximize civilian casualties, this was not an oh we bombed the entire city b/c industry, these attacks were calculated to create maximum carnage and death. I do not think its fair to grant that dropping napalm on civilians with the goal of maximizing civilian casualties is OK, regardless of context, its not just "turning cities into dust."

Churchill literally decided to stop terror bombing after dresden because of the public reaction to it. Public perception of things plays a pretty big part in war and if you neglect this then you are retarded.

Actually its worse, they stopped calling deliberate targeting of civilians terror bombing, they didn't stop doing it, the more things change the more they stay the same.

Nah, it was not that effective after all, couldn't break the population nor the production. But the strikes at the refineries did their job well.

True, and much of the implied benefit in re-allocation of air defenses can be acquired by striking infrastructure (like refineries).

It’s getting hard to sympathize with these retards when we’re literally TWO WEEKS out from the start of this shit and they still refuse to move.

To where exactly? Gaza has 0 civilian ports or airports. The Egyptian border is closed except to allow relief supplies in occasionally and the only other border is Israel. Are you suggesting the Israelis allow Palestinians into southern israel en masse?

 

[Some Dumb Faggot]

Boots on the ground costs the US money and political brownie points when we don't really need them, at least not yet. selling Israel a fuckton of weapons doesn't.

It seems like that's what the politicians are aiming for, it's always been the norm anyways. They have to be aware that people are sick of these pointless wars.

 

[JJLiautaud]

Nah, it was not that effective after all, couldn't break the population nor the production. But the strikes at the refineries did their job well.

The problem with that is that Germany was also going into total mobilization at the same time too,("I ask you: Do you want the total war?!...") so sussing out the effects of strat bombing vs total mobilization is an impossible counterfactual, and I say this as a person who leans more towards "strategic bombing was ineffectual" side of the debate.