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Stop Blaming Women For Adult Men's Loneliness​

I’m going to keep this short. OK, not short, but as short as I can when considering all the related intersections.

Many professors and high-level thinkers of all political persuasions talk about how lonely men are. A few are even pointing out how dangerous lonely men can be.

They’re not wrong, and the crisis of male mental health is an indispensable subject, which is especially true if you’re raising boys.

Even if you aren’t in a parental role, we can agree that men deserve an emotionally satisfying life. Everyone does. Society has damaged men and boys by confining their emotional experiences through shame and violence. Addiction rates and rates of death by suicide or accidental overdose are shockingly high among boys and men, and it’s genuinely disturbing.

Yet, social media continues to comment on how hard it is for some men to meet women on dating apps and the role this plays in the male mental health crisis. The framing of these clips implies that not having access to the women they want to date is traumatizing men and is the primary contributor to male loneliness.

Scott Galloway cites a stat wherein men have to swipe 1000 times on dating apps to end up with one in-person coffee date.

I’m not saying his data is wrong (though I haven’t seen it with my eyes). I’m saying the recent emphasis on women’s rejection (orthe appearance of rejection) as one of the root problems of this crisis is dangerous. It’s a lie.

Here's why we must stop blaming women for adult men's loneliness.​

1. The myth breeds frustration & anger against women​

The male loneliness problem exists because men have taught boys and other men to push intimate and meaningful friendships away. This has been happening for generations.

Note on the video: Galloway contextualizes the dating aspects well, but the viral bits from his interviews are often edited to emphasize parts that feel very blame-y toward women when removed from their context. Galloway does great work drawing attention to the crisis of male mental health. In no way do I blame him for the situation.

Homophobia and bizarre-o mainstream standards of masculinity prevent cis-het men from having an intimate circle of friends — men or women — who support them. So, they don’t have guys who boost them up, who show up for them when times are hard, who come over to hang out on a lonely Friday after a breakup, or when they’ve lost a job. And that is painful.

There are exceptions to this, of course. Men in recovery programs often form deep, powerful bonds with one another. My friend Tom, sober for decades, says in many ways he’s lucky he was addicted because it gave him the opportunity to form friendships with men who show up for him. Recovery programs gave him a framework that had opportunities to show up for other men.

Tragically, most men haven’t been encouraged to do this, and they pass the tradition of masculine isolation on to their sons.

2. Enforced male isolation actively harms women, too​

For generations, American men have been told their wives and girlfriends should be their sole source of emotional support and intimacy. Maybe not overtly, with actual words, but they get the message. For men in the USA, talking to a buddy about your deep fears, core wounds, traumas, and disappointments is not manly. For many generations, it was inconceivable.

And do you know what that means on a practical level?

That means women are not just cis-het men’s life partners and the mothers of their children. We are their only real emotionally present friends, their therapists, their 911 emergency service operators during crises, their career counselors, their workplace relationship advisors, and even their drug and alcohol counselors (until they get into recovery) if they’re misusing substances.

Women are all of that, on top of being personal shoppers, housekeepers, personal assistants, laundresses, sexy fantasy women, and night nurses for their children whom we likely gave birth to, among many other things.

Obviously, not all men or relationships are like this. Many men also give richly to their wives and girlfriends and offer the same level of service in return: friendship, laundry, personal chef-ery, warm shoulders to cry into when times get tough, and even the occasional foot massage. Those of us with good husbands and boyfriends are grateful.

But, the difference in how men’s emotional needs are met in a relationship is still vastly different from women's.

Women probably have at least one non-romantic friend they can call when they need to have a deep, emotional talk or when they need intimate advice.

Society has (literally and figuratively) beaten the vulnerability required for those types of friendships out of American men. Their ability to be emotionally open gets covered by scar tissue after years of teasing or physical harm when they show “weakness,” it’s no wonder they’re suffering.

When I see meme after meme, interview after interview, intelligent men and some women who are experts in the subject say, “Men are lonely, and the high standards of successful women are the problem!” I am enraged.

3. This is not a ‘women problem’​

It may be a tech problem, it may be a modern society problem, it may be a masculinity problem, it may be a parenting problem, it may be an economic problem, it may even be a problem with modern education — and I think it is probably all of them.

But it is not a women problem.

Sure, if a woman tells a man not to have intimate friendships or mocks him when he is vulnerable, that’s her fault. If a woman is being homophobic, that’s on her. And, yes, women complied with patriarchal masculinity for generations, too. They didn’t have much of a choice.

However, we’ve been growing, changing, and expecting more from ourselves and our female friends for a long time. Nearly every woman I know would LOVE for men to have deeper friendships with guys and active relationships with therapists. They’d love for their husbands to come home from a weekend retreat with his buddies feeling emotionally refreshed and healthy.

So stop — please stop — centering conversations about male loneliness and the crisis of masculinity around the perception of mass rejection by women. It’s not accurate, and it’s not fair.

4. It misinforms and distracts from the crisis​

We urgently need to support the effort toend the male mental health crisis. If you are the mom of a son like I am, you have a duty to help him build a healthier emotional lifethan his father or grandfather may have had; one with rich and deep friendships, one where he can feel safe seeking help when needed. One where addictive substances or other maladaptive habits aren’t the only tools he has for dealing with trauma or emotional pain.

We are never under any obligation to date more guys or to go against our intuition about giving men access to our time, bodies, resources, or emotional selves. Even if we did, it wouldn’t help.

Because male loneliness is an inside job: inside masculinity, inside men in general, and inside the individual man or boy who struggles.
 
This is the same problem with the sexes reversed. Women just get dumped on for being single at a certain age or having kids while not married or in a relationship. Maybe we should just focus on the reason why people are so disconnected from each other in a world that's more connected than it ever has been before.
Alright, maybe the 40 year old part is unfair. I stand by the rest of it.
 
Men and women being set at odds with each other strikes me as something you would want to do if you wanted to dismantle civilizations and put them back together in shapes of your own choosing. You divide, you conquer, you create behavioral sinks to take advantage of the new situation.

What you don't do is give your subjects the opportunity to ever bridge that gap or undo the damage, not before you're through doing what you need to do. A lack of understanding and assumed malice on the part of both parties is essential, ideally the sexes should seem as alien races to each other.
 
I think that's overinflated stats. Unless they are swiping past a lot of trannies. I think that could be a factor.
You can call me a hair-splitting faggot, but in my own experience, I'd call it hyperbole more than inflated; the difference being inflation being a purposefully misled number. Even if there wasn't an algorithm on the backend that can weight you depending on your left/right ration; the rule of one-in-ten is very much in effect, but ten is being generous. I don't know how many free swipes it gives (because I don't count), but I can exhaust a day's worth of swipes, get maybe 7 to 12 matches on a good day, and a majority if not all of them are bots / don't respond. I'm not sure how many of those days would require to get up to 1,000 swipes, but it doesn't seem that impossible at times.
 
>stop blaming women for men's loneliness
>#1 claims (men being lonely? women causing it?) something is a myth, and that it should be disregarded because it causes people to blame women
>#2 claims "society" enforces men being lonely, and this harms women
>#3 says the same thing, again, and also that if women ARE part of society they only go along with it because they're "forced" to
>#4 suddenly goes from "women being blamed is the biggest problem" to "we can't focus on who's to blame, men's well-being is at stake!"


This is barely even a good gender-fight article, it's literally just "men being lonely isn't caused by women, and if it is then society made them, and even if it didn't then the important thing is to focus on helping men (in a vague, general sense that obligates nobody in particular)"
 
A lack of understanding and assumed malice on the part of both parties is essential,
I like the idea behind your post because it's not wrong : However where it is:

The problem is we are well beyond that at this point and it's no longer assumed malice. One side was offered power to abuse the other, that side took it, and now the other side is fighting back to punish the other for literally acting in or with malice.

Feminism from its inception was dripping with malice, now the chickens have come home to roost. The problem was earlier generations of men and women could have halted it but they didn't too late now, when people were warning society for years about this same issue.
 
I'm not male so I can't say I know 100%. But guys do have friends right?
When young and in school, yes, usually. The number of friends typically drops off when you enter the workforce, when you get married, and when you have children (or when your friends do the same). Each of these demands your time and attention, and friendships get demoted. Women going through those transitions may keep their friends because female friendships can be maintained by yammering on the phone or arranging play dates for the kids, I don't know; male friendships don't work that way.

If you move around a lot for work, that's another thing that kills friendships. Men move more often than women because they choose jobs that are geographically concentrated. And they also move more often for love, tying back into the marriage thing. If you do that enough times, or past a certain age, it's much more difficult (or less desirable) to start the friend-collecting thing again.

But even when we have friends, we don't date each other, which seems to be what the author of this article wants to happen. That's not a homophobia thing, we simply aren't interested meeting up at Starbucks or going on a walk at the park to catch up or whatever. We don't "have ... deep, emotional talk" with or seek "intimate advice" from our friends. That would be unnatural. Male groups are oriented toward objectives, not reinforcing social bonds. Even in seemingly purposeless activities, you'll find men spontaneously engaging in competition or collaboration, building consensus, sharing skills, discussing hypothetical scenarios or solutions to problems, making deals, etc. It's been that way since, I guess, the stone age, and it's not going to change soon. Look at the oldest depictions of male friendship: Gilgamesh and Enkidu start out by challenging each other for dominance, then they go monster-hunting. Achilles and Patroclus might have been screwing, but they only achieved literary interest when they fought in the Trojan War. Closer to our present civilization, Hamlet and Horatio reconnect at a time of great grief and immediately go ghost-hunting before planning a coup. The most influential fairy tale for the past 50 years has been Star Wars, the story of a boy whose family is killed so he gets new friends and goes on a quest. No boy or man wants to sip a pumpkin-spice latte with their bestie while sharing intimate relationship advice.
 
The main reason men are more lonely nowadays is because of reduced leisure time and society killing social outlets in favor of social media.

Also women encroaching on our social spaces isn't great. I don't mind women but I certainly can't be myself if I can't joke about stupid shit without spending five minutes explaining myself and how I'm not a bigot. My friends know I'm not Hitler, don't get your panties in a twist.

Bring back men's clubs.

I made more friends trolling a retarded man while wearing a pickle suit than I did at college. That's a bad sign.
 
The main reason men are more lonely nowadays is because of reduced leisure time and society killing social outlets in favor of social media.

Also women encroaching on our social spaces isn't great. I don't mind women but I certainly can't be myself if I can't joke about stupid shit without spending five minutes explaining myself and how I'm not a bigot. My friends know I'm not Hitler, don't get your panties in a twist.

Bring back men's clubs.

I made more friends trolling a retarded man while wearing a pickle suit than I did at college. That's a bad sign.
This is it to a tee.

I feel like a lot of men are aware of this but can't even speak up on a lot of their issues, fears, or desires for fear of some form of social punishment or embarrassment. I've never understood the common refrain a lot of guys see male friendship as gay or something, which I also tend to see is primarily parroted by women. A lot of guys really don't feel like going through the motions of trying to speak up or do something on men's issues without the inevitable accusations of MRA-ism or need to be "inclusive" in some form.

I think a lot of men are also aware of what feels like a subtle but real double standard of women more and more openly disdaining or talking down their sex, a genuine chauvinism against them, but they themselves get called out as sexist or creepy if they speak up on women in the same form - even for pretty harmless jokes lobbed back. It's been that way especially on social media for a long time now where most social interaction is at nowadays (and definitely for the worse), and it gets disheartening to know nothing you say can make a difference, because you'll be talked down upon at best or lobbed very hurtful and serious accusations of yourself at worst. What I think is "blaming women" is less that per se, but more that a lot of guys are finally getting tired of feeling unable to speak up against their own negative experiences they received or their own issues, a lack of social places (like the men's clubs) or areas for themselves to get help at catered to themselves... and thus spills into subjects like the said male loneliness, or men seemingly dropping out of the dating game, or whatever.

I won't lie that my thoughts above are extremely disjointed and likely worded quite poorly. But I've been trying to formulate some thoughts on the matter and may as well try to get them out.
 
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The funniest thing is, the Incels are right about one thing: women are picking the top 5% of men, and that is demoralizing incels enough to become so bitter they become trannies who end up stomping on women's rights.
Its funny, women bitch about trannies ruining everything they don't stop to realize they are a part (not the entire reason, porn addiction and propaganda are also major contributors) of the problem. Society has raised women to be super picky and to mock incels for not naturally being chad (or more accurately, Tyrone now) that the incels have now turned the tables.

Well maybe if men would just step up and be 6' 4" millionaire supermodels, they'd be good enough to catch the interest of a fat dumpy unemployed 40 year old single mother.
This. Fat, ugly cuntish whores expect to snag Chris Evans, but the moment a fat dumpy dude tries to date above his level he's mocked openly.
Reflection is a motherfucker.
 
My take on this is going to be spicy for both the A&N rapefugees and the beauty parlor feminists.

For the first time in history, we’re experiencing a slight biological gender role reversal. For context, throughout human history, men have never had to deal with a world outside their control and develop an emotional intelligence. We either won the war and subjugated the remaining women, or we died trying and it didn’t matter.

Woman, on the other hand, were too biologically valuable to kill off and were thus forced to live in a world outside their control for the majority of history. A woman had to develop emotional intelligence to deal with the fact that the competing tribe won the war, killed her husband and children, and had now enslaved her as a handmaiden.

Now, we are seeing a slight reversal in roles. Men have gained some bargaining power, biologically speaking, and are finally forced to deal with the uncomfortable feelings of loneliness when they previously either died or had already achieved victory.

The increase in male biological bargaining power comes primarily from pornography. The vast majority of men are at least a little predisposed to it. The ones that are completely addicted are removed from the gene pool but men are used to biological gauntlets - it is our bread and butter. Women are now faced with a novel biological gauntlet - they need to please men to a degree with sexual prowess or they may not reproduce. To the aliens spying on us, this all probably looks like an overly complicated mating dance - what’s notable about it is the female needs to “dance” for the male. The age of the pillow princess is coming to a close.

I’m completely serious when I say the pick-mes and the simps will inherit the earth.
 
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