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How do you guys feel about Judas if you guys don’t mind me asking? I’ve always liked the interpretation of him as an instrument of God’s will thereby justifying his actions.
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Considering Luke (22:3) and John (13:27) write that Judas was influenced by Satan, that does not sound like a biblically-informed interpretation, but more like Calvinistic cope.
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It's a bit heretical of a path to follow, but in the presence of the divine plan, I believe all men are instruments of God's will. I think it's immoral to hate the sinner in this case Judas because I don't believe in free will.
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DDBCAE CBAADCBE
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Okay, let’s say he was influenced by Satan. What does evil gain in this exchange? Was it not according to God’s plan that his son should die for the sins of mankind? Ultimately the result was just as God intended and as such would it not be then fair to say that the events as they unfolded were predestined through God’s grand design and therefore those involved should not be held accountable for their actions of which they could have no control?
In this way is Judas not a victim of circumstance?
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The funny thing about Judas is that; to my knowledge after his suicide, there is no mention of his ultimate fate and if he went to heaven or hell in scripture. The stuff you read about him being on the lowest circle of hell comes from Dante's Inferno a fan fiction of the Bible. In this way, we have no confirmation that he was "held accountable" for betraying Christ.
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Forgive me if I don't understand where you're coming from here, as the only Christian who would make this sort of argument for predestination would be a Calvinist, but it sounds like you don't understand the concept of sin. Calvinists (and a few other schools of thought) believe that human beings are in total bondage to sin (total depravity) and subject to unconditional election, which is where God selects who will be saved and who will die in their sins. Judas was "influenced by Satan" by virtue of being a post-fall human being. By betraying Jesus, Judas was acting according to his own sinful nature as one who was not preordained to be saved (Or one who rejected Jesus and salvation), but because of Romans 8:28, Satan did not prevail and God's will was accomplished. No one is ever blameless or a victim of circumstance, as all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.
Martin Luther and Erasmus had a chat about the concept of free will back in the day. Erasmus appealed to the incomprehensible mystery of God's will, but Luther thought he had it figured out (total depravity and unconditional election).
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It could have been any of the disciples that turned on Jesus. Judas was the only one to act on that impulse
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there is 0 biblical support to the validity of intercession. Isa. 59:1 onward.
when god can hear all and his hand can reach all, why would i ask any other being for assistance? again, another verse: "Through GOD (not mary, not michael, not any human saint), all things are possible." another from JC himself: "The ONLY WAY to the father is through ME"
praying to mary and the deification mythology surround mary comes from sex cults projecting the stories of their goddesses on to mary
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Why ask other people to pray for you then? Why pray at all if God knows what you want?
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Not sure. Never understood it myself tbh
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Don't know where else to put this, but happy Reformation Day.
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Because it is part of worshiping God, to concede to his will and admit powerlessness before an all powerful God. By praying we also communicate, in a way, and strengthen our relationship and enjoyment of God. Also, because Jesus prayed and we follow his example (Luke 11:1–13). Job 42:8 also encourages believers to pray for other people:
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Apologies for double posting, but this may be the start of something new in American Protestantism.
I previously posted about RedeemedZoomer and his Protestant Reconquista. Yesterday (Reformation Day), his group of several thousand discord zoomers emailed, mailed, or, in some cases, physically attached a copy of the 95 Theses to every mainline protestant church in America. I have yet to see anything in the news, but here's to hoping for the decline of theological liberalism and instead Christian revival among the youth.
I previously posted about RedeemedZoomer and his Protestant Reconquista. Yesterday (Reformation Day), his group of several thousand discord zoomers emailed, mailed, or, in some cases, physically attached a copy of the 95 Theses to every mainline protestant church in America. I have yet to see anything in the news, but here's to hoping for the decline of theological liberalism and instead Christian revival among the youth.
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Not sure if this belongs here but what do you fellas think of so-called "religious trauma"?
Now let me preface this by saying: yes, spiritual abuse is a real thing, and it can be very dangerous. Bad doctrine, misuse of church authority/leadership, emotional manipulation and other forms of spiritual abuse can be extremely harmful to a person's spiritual and mental health, and it can take a lot of time and effort to overcome them.
However, "religious trauma" is a recent phenomenon similar to "deconstructionism" and "ex-vangelicalism" where euphoric atheists claim that fundamental Christianity and its doctrines (such as original sin and Hell) are the source of detriment to people's mental health since it leaves them unable to think critically and function properly in society and causes them to have mental health issues (such as PTSD or anxiety), especially if they were taught ("indoctrinated") from a young age.
The worrying part regarding this trend is that because of it many people who claim to suffer from it are telling people who have actually gone through spiritual abuse that Christianity is "harmful" and the cause of their mental health problems and that the only solution is to leave it altogether, and thus they become hostile towards it and towards Christians, since they groom them into thinking that it's Christians' fault that they were harmed and that they'll do it again if given the chance. It also makes third parties hostile towards the gospel since it paints Christianity as not only a source of abuse but as an actual threat towards people's mental health.
Anyway, my question is, how are we to deal with this sort of teaching? How should we go around preaching to people who claim to suffer from this and are very hostile towards the gospel, whether they're victims of real spiritual abuse or just bitter people?
Sorry if this post is all over the place, I'm currently very tired.
Now let me preface this by saying: yes, spiritual abuse is a real thing, and it can be very dangerous. Bad doctrine, misuse of church authority/leadership, emotional manipulation and other forms of spiritual abuse can be extremely harmful to a person's spiritual and mental health, and it can take a lot of time and effort to overcome them.
However, "religious trauma" is a recent phenomenon similar to "deconstructionism" and "ex-vangelicalism" where euphoric atheists claim that fundamental Christianity and its doctrines (such as original sin and Hell) are the source of detriment to people's mental health since it leaves them unable to think critically and function properly in society and causes them to have mental health issues (such as PTSD or anxiety), especially if they were taught ("indoctrinated") from a young age.
The worrying part regarding this trend is that because of it many people who claim to suffer from it are telling people who have actually gone through spiritual abuse that Christianity is "harmful" and the cause of their mental health problems and that the only solution is to leave it altogether, and thus they become hostile towards it and towards Christians, since they groom them into thinking that it's Christians' fault that they were harmed and that they'll do it again if given the chance. It also makes third parties hostile towards the gospel since it paints Christianity as not only a source of abuse but as an actual threat towards people's mental health.
Anyway, my question is, how are we to deal with this sort of teaching? How should we go around preaching to people who claim to suffer from this and are very hostile towards the gospel, whether they're victims of real spiritual abuse or just bitter people?
Sorry if this post is all over the place, I'm currently very tired.
I'd also add James 5:16, Ephesians 6:18 and 1 Timothy 2:1 as good examples of that.
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Then why not ask the saints for intercession? Are they not living in God? Are they not in ceaseless communion with the divine? Jesus Christ states that he is the God of living, not the dead. If that's the case, is he not also the God of His most devoted followers?
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zoomers coming to faith as a revolt against the "mullenial" scum bag atheist starbucks drinking marlyn manson listening lazy pot smoking collage attending and dropping out sodomite cock juice drinking instagram using normie "mullenial" scumbag is so great
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I suppose my views are much the same as yours, in that there are people who've had poor experiences with Christianity and certain adherents. I think the best thing to do would be to let these people wander, for a time, if they're already sufficiently taken-in by "euphoric atheism." Do as the disciples did when preaching the Word and seek towns (or in this case people) who are receptive, rather than remain where you're not wanted. Shake the dust from off of your feet and go elsewhere, where the Word might bear good and greater fruit.
That doesn't mean you can't or shouldn't pray for those who are taken-in; nor should you cut yourself off from them altogether. Just keep an eye on them to see what they're doing or not doing, all the while endeavoring to be kind and caring enough to offer them an ear when needed. If they reject you and your advice still, despite how you're acting and how willing you are to help, then repeat the process again. Something will come of it eventually, whether bad or good. Just know that God is the great constant, and He will never abandon His children.
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Best answer for this is, even if you don't know why, you still do it. You act in fait, even if it doesn't make sense to you.
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Can you guys pray for me? I've been thinking about how much I want a spouse lately. I broke down crying when I started reading the section in Ephesians 5 about husbands and wives at small group. I ran into Ephesians 5 two more times within about a week, and recently a sermon opened by talking about the covenant between a husband and wife. Can you pray that God sends me the person I'm meant to be with?
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Because it is a Biblical command to make prayers and supplications to Holy God. What God commands us to do can serve as a pointer toward what delights him. He is delighted and he is glorified when his creatures faithfully seek his intercession and intervention. The reason to pray is to glorify God by obeying him.