Debate user 'Null' if America has Cheese, Meat, and Bread.

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This is quite possibly the best thread on the entire forum.
The Pulverizer said:
Null is a retard that doesn't understand his own country.
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To be fair, even my local Amish enclave has a whole wall of cheddar because it’s just what we like as Americans. And to further the stereotype, my personal favorite Amish cheese happens to be their ghost pepper cheddar. Quite possibly the hottest cheese I’ve ever had. The label even has a warning for normies.
That being said, if the eurofags and expatriates keep dissing our cheddar, we might need to roll up and remind them why we don’t have universal healthcare.
 
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Again euro fags will seethe about American food being too sweet or too soft or too weird not understanding the differences between countries. North America and Europe are two different continents.
Europoors don't understand the joys of fresh maple syrup, good tacos, they won't understand Cajun or Creole dishes. Europoors don't have proper BBQ. Europoors will never understand that their tacos will forever be bland. Europoors will not add spice to anything because they're afraid of flavor.
Europoors will also never understand the joys of a proper American breakfast or eating cactus.

And best of all no matter how good Italy's pizza might be let's not forget that the US New York style pizza is synonymous when we think pizza globally not the fresh pizza that isn't tossed Sicilian pizza that doesn't have the nice cheese.

That being said fuck half the food safety rules within the US.
 
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Null said:
bro I have asked friends to go scout grocery markets to find basic shit and i'm shocked wholefoods is basically just walmart now, they used to have organic real cheese and variety. even in some big cities it's fucked.
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What cities? Because I mean a big city in Middle America is pretty far out from where some of this stuff is coming into the US.

Like in Houston I'd expect many liquor stores to have a nice variety of South American wines, but if I went to Minnesota I'm skeptical they'd have that much selection. Also Whole Foods started making a point a few years back to make a more affordable version of its products, they may have put out cheapo versions of the entire stores too.
 
Fcret said:
I feel like the issue is more that Americans kinda live in a two-tiered culinary culture where you're either eating nothing but processed goyslop or your household is spending $1000+ per month to buy real food.

As a consequence of growing up in a single-parent household (as is Amerimutt tradition), I did not really eat much good food until I moved out and got a high-paying jerb.
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You don’t need to spend $1000 a month on decent food. If you buy in season, that already saves money. I view Whole Foods as generally overpriced compared to places like Sprouts, that sell similar items. Some things also aren’t worth buying organic, at least to me. I don’t really see much difference in buying organic versus non organic herbs. For just two people, $1000 a month on food is a bit much, at least to me. If you got everything off of DoorDash, then I could see that being the average monthly cost, but most people I know don’t DoorDash everything.
 
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Fcret said:
I feel like the issue is more than Americans kinda live in a two-tiered culinary culture where you're either eating nothing but processed goyslop or your household is spending $1000+ per month to buy real food.

As a consequence of growing up in a single-parent household (as is Amerimutt tradition), I did not really eat much good food until I moved out and got a high-paying jerb.
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from what i've seen of burgerland food prices, they are overall cheaper than they are in western europe, especially for meat.
the biggest difference in culinary culture to me seems to be that a lot of burgerland residents are apparently very averse to home cooking. fast food, take-out food, delivery food and ready to eat supermarket meals are a much bigger thing than they are in europe. that's what makes burgers unhealthy and fat.

people like to dunk on walmart a lot but from what i've seen of it you can get perfectly fine staples and ingredients there to cook perfectly healthy meals at home. like, i google "walmart fresh produce" and all the pics that show up look extremely similar to the fresh produce section at large grocery stores and supermarkets here in europe, except everything is done at larger scale.

this for example:
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it looks extremely similar to the place where i buy my food, except the stores in my town don't have such huge piles of avocados.
(the pic showed up on google and it is from this article, "houston chronicle" means it's probably from a walmart in texas)
 
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DumbDude43 said:
people like to dunk on walmart a lot but from what i've seen of it you can get perfectly fine staples and ingredients there to cook perfectly healthy meals at home. like, i google "walmart fresh produce" and all the pics that show up look extremely similar to the fresh produce section at large grocery stores and supermarkets here in europe, except everything is done at larger scale.
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Walmart is one of those places that is likely to go for cheaper food distributors, which are a thing people don't typically track. Some won't handle their produce great and end up browning their bananas, while others go to such great pains to stock specialty items they'll have things like edible flowers.

It just comes across as generally an issue of what food distributors are available in your area and even though the US is a single country there's a huge amount of obstacles to reasonably transporting fresh and good quality food to every corner of it.
 
DumbDude43 said:
it looks extremely similar to the place where i buy my food, except the stores in my town don't have such huge piles of avocados.
(the pic showed up on google and it is from this article, "houston chronicle" means it's probably from a walmart in texas)
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Avocados are really easy to come by in the US. Mexico loves to trade them with the US, and some cartels even own avocado farms because they’re so profitable. So many restaurants in the US will use avocados regularly. In Europe, they have to be shipped a lot further away and the shipping costs up the price. If I lived in Europe, I’d probably eat less avocado.
 
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Thread's been up barely a day and already its got 67 pages.
Is this really a sore spot for Americans?
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It annoys people when a lifelong bachelor and a computer nerd who dined on cheap easy shit because it was convenient to his lifestyle and wasn't a priority, tries to act like an authority on something he's unfamiliar with because he googled some big meat companies. Now that he's in a place where his options are limited to local, fresh traditional foods (not a bad problem to have btw) he comes back a makes a nutty generalization about a giant country with a bunch of regions that eat completely differently and have their own local specialties. Because he ate like shit and picked the worst options, everyone must also do that. Then someone said he came back and countered with "you gotta live in a big city to have options". My elderly parents live in a place so small, it's considered a village. It's got less than 2000 people iirc. There's two Italian bakeries with good bread: french bread, muffaletta bread, fallafel, that's just the things I remembered, there's all type of stuff in there. They got a place that sells fresh seafood in a small town about 15 minutes away. Idk their meat situation, they're old, they don't eat a ton of meat but I'm sure they got options if they needed them. In other words, it was out there when he was here. The little niglet wasn't interested in it until he went somewhere that didn't have his fast food favorites and had to eat like a respectable White man for the first time in his life.
 
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we buy our beef from the farmer, and it goes to a non usda local meat locker, usually most buy half a cow and you can get it cut how you want, thicker/thinner steaks, more ground beef/less roasts ,etc.

there is a local cheese place here that is pretty good, and we have a neighbor that files up and gets Wisconsin cheese regularly , bread is harder and more expesive to buy local/fresh but a bread machine makes it fresh the same, but we do get the 1$ day old fresh loafs from Walmart though.

but why would i dox myself to post the stickers on my beef/cheese as they have the name of the meat locker all over them and ("NOT FOR SALE") AKA that its not usda processed.
 
Giving my fellow Amerimutts the benefit of the doubt, I have a feeling that most don't even know how close they are to getting local groceries. Most think fresh food is what they get from the deli counter at their local grocery store. Thats just processed shelf stable shit that can be made in giant quantities to supply every chain store in each region. Nothing that can be made in large enough quantities to supply every Walmart/Whole Foods/Meijer deli counter is fresh.

I spend less time, less money and get better cuts by going to my local meat processors front shop and the lines are negligent. The only advertisements I ever see from them are the Amusement park farms.

Same with bakeries, anything that is able to supply the amounts needed to keep grocery store shelves full, isn't fresh. Hell, just because of this thread I stopped by and got some donuts for the office from a bakery on my way to work. My coworkers appreciate the hell thread you have created here.
 
CHARizard said:
To bad they arent everywhere, its like costco, you need to make a special trip because they area always out of the way.
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Mine is right around the corner from me. We're stacked with Weggies.

I don't know why he just linked a pic of locations, though. If it's to call me a city slicker again, we're gonna have a fight on our hands.
 
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Layton Mysteries said:
You can if you see signs on the side of the road that say "Fresh Milk and Cheese" at a local farm, but realistically that isn't a sustainable source of cheese and dairy, even though it is amazing. I will say most groceries have sliced cheese sections where you go to a counter and someone slices you cheese from blocks that isn't horrible processed cheese, but it isn't the best quality either. The middle ground between those two is international groceries which aren't in 1000 person towns, more like you go to a local city for those. International groceries tend to have good fresh cheese imported from Europe and will always have it in stock unlike local non-FDA approved farms that you see advertisements for driving through the middle of nowhere. I am able to reliably get a variety of European cheeses by driving 30 minutes to a mid-sized town.
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Most towns with a population of 70k have at least 4 international markets
 
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CHARizard said:
Wegmans is like heaven for someone like me that likes to cook. Every ingredient under the sun, beautiful clean stores, friendly workers, I could spend hours there.

To bad they arent everywhere, its like costco, you need to make a special trip because they area always out of the way.
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Well the secret is that many states and regions have their own Wegmans equivalent serving their particular market. I'd name the one I use but its specific to my state, but suffice it to say it also has an excellent variety of high quality items, including many niche ingredients, local produce, a massive organic section, clean and well-maintained buildings and high quality service from the friendly employees.
 
I may detest the European Union, but I have to admit that their food standards and regulations are quite good.
 
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