2023 Israel-Palestine Armed Conflict

[Catch The Rainbow]

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/24/world/middleeast/gaza-hospital-israel-hamas-video.html
The Hamas rocket exploded and fell down 2 kilometers away. There is no fucking Hamas rocket on Earth that's making that explosion after being disabled in the air. You don't need to be an expert on rockets to know this, you just have to not be a brainrotted IDF dickrider. Conveniently, nobody has yet been allowed to do any real research on where the rocket came from (I wonder where I've seen this happen before...?).

read your own article retard

The missile seen in the video is most likely not what caused the explosion at the hospital. It actually detonated in the sky roughly two miles away, The Times found, and is an unrelated aspect of the fighting that unfolded over the Israeli-Gaza border that night.
The Times’s finding does not answer what actually did cause the Al-Ahli Arab Hospital blast, or who is responsible. The contention by Israeli and American intelligence agencies that a failed Palestinian rocket launch is to blame remains plausible. But the Times analysis does cast doubt on one of the most publicized pieces of evidence that Israeli officials have used to make their case and complicates the straightforward narrative they have put forth.

the current palestinian cope is that it was an air burst JDAM despite israel never using an airburst JDAM in gaza. Also who says it was disabled in the air? The Israelis/Americans say the rocket motor fell off and then the rest of the still active rocket went with it.


not gonna respond to the rest of the post because if you get such a basic thing wrong then what's the point lol

 

[NewFagWhore]

Lol there are "many" countries that they'd want to both start a war with Israel and have a "very good chance of winning"? Lol some sandnigger coping again. Are you sure you're not fucking a goat as we speak?

Its fucking funny because not evsn HEZBOLLAH has gone to war for palestinians yet.

The only “"””nation””” in the entire world, aside from iran, who cares about palestinians is yemen, and arguably, yemen is probably the worst shithole on the planet.

 

[Life is Hell...]

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Big talk for a guy who fires people for calling out Hamas...

Official Boxtown statement.

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https://archive.ph/wip/bUmM9

Nothing big but funny to see her actually face consequences for not shutting up.

 

[Catch The Rainbow]

The narrative control employed throughout this thread is astounding. Getting to see how it happens in real time has been a treat.

point it out then instead of vagueposting. israel doesnt care about kf, they can barely understand instagram or tiktok

Jesus christ. Now the Jews are actually against Israel, goy! If you don't like jews or muslims you should support Israel!

https://nypost.com/2023/10/28/news/soros-funneled-15-m-plus-to-groups-rallying-for-hamas/

he also funds a ton of other leftist anti israel orgs, he's a kapo

calling israel a third world shithole is hilarious, country is prosperous and standard of living is quite nice.

 

[Givi]

Even if I grant you that the IDF lost it's status as some military hyperpower status in the Middle East, did not bring Israel anywhere close to being genocided by sandniggers in 2007.

No offense but were you born with some sort of disability that left you unable to think more than 10 minutes in advance? Are you really unable to understand that without certain factors, different things can happen?

The aid no doubt helped the IDF when dealing with Egypt later in the war

Thanks for conceding.

Like, perhaps, just buying US armaments rather than getting them freely

Do you know what it's called when a nation allows another nation, which is at war, to buy weapons from them to wage that war? I'll let you think about this for a couple of hours. Here's a good pointer: Russia and Ukraine can't buy weapons from Switzerland for a reason.

Iran has been doing that already

No. They haven't. If you think all Iran can do is give a few groups a couple of cruise missiles each you're completely delusional and have no idea of the state of Iran's weapon industries.

So the war changes because more Yemeni rebels get a few more cruise missiles

This is proving to be a tough concept for you so I'll simplify it a bit so even a retard can understand

Israel doesn't make enough SAMs to defend themselves if the US doesn't do it for them
Iran makes a lot of rockets and missiles
Iran gives these rockets to other groups
Israel is unable to shoot these down because no SAM batteries
Israel suffers the consequences of every single troop agglomeration, center of command and important civilian building being a possible target of fairly precise bombs

Do you understand now or?

This isn't new, nor does it mean that Israel is on the verge of being genocided you fuckwit

We're back to you not being able to think more than 10 minutes ahead. I'll go ahead and simplify it again since you're such a braindead retard:

Everybody hates Israel
Israel has big protector in form of US
Nobody attacks Israel even if there's an advantage or Israeli weakness to be pressed like in 2007 because they're afraid of the US

Now the alternate scenario I was talking about

Everybody hates Israel
Israel has no big protector
Israel may now be attacked by one or more countries or groups when these groups, in 2007, realize that the IDF has degenerated heavily

I don't think I can simplify it further, so if you still can't understand this very basic scenario, you're out of luck.

So this proves your theory that the IDF was totally the one to blow up the hospital, how?

If it wasn't the IDF then surely you can point to me which magic Hamas rocket that hadn't been used by that point is going to cause that much damage after being destroyed in the air.

Except Israel doesn't exist peacefully

Peace is relative, and Israel has been in relative peace for ages. Even the failure of 2007 was nothing compared to the wars of before. Nobody likes jews in that area so it's never going to be 100% peaceful.

Some magical hypothetical where the US didn't start providing military aid to Israel after 1973 is fun to imagine

So now you accept that Israel not being able to press their advantage because of a lack of ammunition would have been a possibility after denying it for a bunch of posts in a row. Again, I'm talking to a brick wall that occasionally will also argue against itself.

You're completely wrong.

No, I'm really not and that's undeniable considering current events. The second the US showed a slight bit of weakness, Hamas jumped the border and started killing jews. This would have never happened if various other events hadn't left the US looking weaker itself.

Lol there are "many" countries that they'd want to both start a war with Israel and have a "very good chance of winning"?

Let me guess, you think everybody else in the Middle East is too retarded to fight wars even though Iran makes their own gear and Israel doesn't? Sure worked out well for Israel in 2007 and... this October. You're literally trying to argue that a country that doesn't actually manufacture its own basic ammunition for vital things like artillery and anti-air systems would beat one that does, even deprived of their source of the aforementioned things, because of some magic inability that sandniggers have of fighting wars. Great logic.

You don't have even the very basic notions of warfare. Another war, just like nearly every other modern war ever fought, is currently spending tens of thousands of artillery shells per week. The second Israel had to bomb Gaza, a shithole 25 miles long, they had to rely on US aid because they don't make even their own artillery shells.

 

[Maginot]

So how does the IDF actually organize their NCO branch because the age numbers and ranks of some of the IDF dead seem insane to me. A 20yr old being a Staff Sgt. is what passes for an NCO? How much time and experience do these soldiers have? Is this why they aren't screening their armor advances with infantry?

 

[Givi]

not gonna respond to the rest of the post because if you get such a basic thing wrong then what's the point lol

You didn't read the article. The Times claimed they can't say for sure, but that the Israeli cope is 100% wrong. The American opinion is worthless since they just go with whatever their ally says.

After that, comes personal opinion and analysis, and since none of you retards (or anybody with any credibility) have any proof that it was Hamas, I'm going with the nation that actually has bombs powerful enough to do what happened there, since you can't cause damage with bombs you don't have.

 

[Maginot]

israel never using an airburst JDAM in gaza.

How the fuck do you know this?

 

[Solid Hyrax]

So how does the IDF actually organize their NCO branch because the age numbers and ranks of some of the IDF dead seem insane to me. A 20yr old being a Staff Sgt. is what passes for an NCO? How much time and experience do these soldiers have? Is this why they aren't screening their armor advances with infantry?

Staff Sgt. is the highest ranking an enlisted soldier gets before ending his conscription. You usually get it 2 years in, depends on the branch you're in.

 

[Catch The Rainbow]

You didn't read the article. The Times claimed they can't say for sure, but that the Israeli cope is 100% wrong. The American opinion is worthless since they just go with whatever their ally says.

After that, comes personal opinion and analysis, and since none of you retards (or anybody with any credibility) have any proof that it was Hamas, I'm going with the nation that actually has bombs powerful enough to do what happened there, since you can't cause damage with bombs you don't have.

where do they say the israeli cope is 100 percent wrong, they say the explosion is consistent with a failed rocket

Multiple videos assembled and analyzed by The Times show that militants were firing dozens of rockets from southwest of the hospital minutes before the blast, and the fiery explosion at the hospital is consistent with a failed rocket falling well short of its target with unspent fuel.

The footage also suggests that Israeli bombardment was taking place and that two explosions near the hospital can be seen within two minutes of it being struck. Maj. Nir Dinar, an Israeli military spokesman, told The Times that military forces were not striking “within a range that endangered the hospital,” but declined to say how far away the nearest strike was.

>this explosion is consistent with a failed rocket but israel was also bombing nearby but we dont know from how far away
very definitive

the point of the article is that the AJ rocket that was shown as evidence wasnt what israelis thought it was

I'm going with the nation that actually has bombs powerful enough to do what happened there.

you mean leave a crater that's like a foot deep and only damaged a small radius around it?

How the fuck do you know this?

doesnt make sense to use airburst jdams if you're aiming to take out weapons depots that are inside buildings and underground tunnels.

 

[NewFagWhore]

I'm going with the nation that actually has bombs powerful enough to do what happened there, since you can't cause damage with bombs you don't have.

Have you ever seen what a JDAM does?

 

[Maginot]

doesnt make sense to use airburst jdams if you're aiming to take out weapons depots that are inside buildings and underground tunnels.

So, you're retarded and just trust the IDF at face value here? The hospital is a target, the ambulances are support vehicles. You can absolutely configure a bomb for max airburst. How come none of the rocket attacks have had near that effect in Israel? Did they just have the one?

Like brick on bedrock doesn't bounce that much if you time the explosion for maximum coverage. I was trained by a branch of the US military to look at photos and write up reports about battle damage assessments. The hospital parking lot looks like a bomb hit it, the buildings around have been shotgunned with bomb shrapnel.

 

[AgendaPoster]

Even if the hospital was not an IDF bombing, it's still irrelevant in the big picture, where Israel is leveling Gaza, 100% civilian apartment buildings, in a way that makes Russia's assault on Mariupol look like an amateur job.

 

[Just_Somebody]

The only “"””nation””” in the entire world, aside from iran, who cares about palestinians is yemen, and arguably, yemen is probably the worst shithole on the planet.

It's not even Yemen, the recognized government, but the Houthi rebels.

Anyway, to bring us onto some war footage.

https://twitter.com/sentdefender/status/1720255303315243360

An IED going off near an IDF D9 armored bulldozer in the West Bank

https://twitter.com/MOSSADil/status/1720206649795772728

Small arms fire coming from a minaret in Jenin.

I am not vouching for the authenticity of either video.

 

[gay]

The Hamas rocket exploded and fell down 2 kilometers away. There is no fucking Hamas rocket on Earth that's making that explosion after being disabled in the air. You don't need to be an expert on rockets to know this, you just have to not be a brainrotted IDF dickrider. Conveniently, nobody has yet been allowed to do any real research on where the rocket came from (I wonder where I've seen this happen before...?).

here's my piss take on this whole hospital explosion situation and how i've determined that it is more likely a Hamas/PIJ rocket than an Israeli missile.

Hamas said the munition fragments "vapourized", i've read some worthwhile threads on Twitter from some people who appear to be qualified to talk about the subject and one of those accounts is from Marc Garlasco, a UN war crimes investigator whose spent the last two decades covering several wars in Gaza and this is the first instance he's seen that a crater made by an explosion is devoid from evidence, this is simply unprecedented and unless Israel has some sort of missile that fucking atomizes into the ether upon impact then it is more likely that Hamas are a bunch of lying incompetent cocksuckers.

we know the Palestinian EOD were sifting through the debris not long after it happened and they supposedly saw the fragments "dissolve like salt in water, nothing is left", leaving nothing for any independent 3rd party researchers to look into it.

this is important because i know for a fact that if Hamas recovered concrete evidence that it was an Israeli missile that they would parade those fragments around for everyone to see, but if it were a Hamas rocket... wouldn't it be convenient if the remains of the rocket just magically fucking disappeared? this is some dog ate my missile fragments type bullshit.

once their health ministry announced 500 people died they were basically forced to attribute the deaths to an Israeli missile, anything else would just hurt their propaganda campaign.

 

[Catch The Rainbow]

The hospital parking lot looks like a bomb hit it, the buildings around have been shotgunned with bomb shrapnel.

A bomb did hit it, the rockets that hamas fires have explosive warheads. Combine that with the extra fuel that didn't get burned up on the way to Israel and you have a massive fire.

Here's a picture of a rocket hit in ashkelon on Oct 7th, similar damage with less fire

 

[Maginot]

That is not similar damage at all, from the number of vehicles and the size of fragmentation damage craters to surrounding buildings. You can just look at the photos for the differences. That parking lot was packed with cars to the point parking had stopped traffic flow.

 

[EyeGuy]

Number 55, Hasin Dhib. Physiognomy check?

One of the terrorists killed tonight in Jenin, Jihad Ninja Turkman. Pretty cool name, not gonna lie:

 

[Solid Hyrax]

Stupid girl in Haifa got arrested after saying she's a "Hamas supporter" and that she'll "do a terror attack today" and putting music of support for Palestinians on her phone

Her arrest picture:



She was released after her father came to get her.

She was interviewed and apologized for saying those things (god she sounds like a typical arsawat):

lol she doxed herself. She lives at Ra'anan 7, Haifa.

 

[Johnny Salami]

Jews are literally the boogeyman to these people. Their childrens’ shows and cartoons show Jews as the evil villains so all children will associate “Jew” with “evil” by the time they’re toddlers. Their childrens’ version of our “Cowboys And Indians” game is called “Stab The Jew”, which goes exactly the way it sounds

um, based

I've posted this in the other IVP thread but the conservative religious Jews hate us for being Christian while the secular progressive jews hate us for being white.

"The youth" are retarded. They shouldn't be used as a barometer in any context.

Meanwhile the boomers are glued to their TV and believe the lies. But the Youth will be deciding policy once these boomers die out, and Israel can expect to get progressively less money from the US of Goy

Anyway, to no one's surprise, it turns out the "woman""rabbi" who heckled Biden the other day is a disgusting tranny:

We need more w*men rabbis. Diversity should be Israel's strength.

How about you get angry at your own government for even thinking of accepting Palestinian refugees? Why do you get mad at us for looking of less-than-lethal avenues for the innocents?

Because the second a few government leaders talk about not taking in refugees they get accused of racism and get debaked, courtesy of Jews