2023 Israel-Palestine Armed Conflict

KingCoelacanth said:
I'm seeing statistic thrown around claiming that Israel has already killed more civillians than Russia has in its 2 years of invasion.
Any confirmations of that?
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Could be, but there's a big reason the pro-Palestine sources wouldn't talk about.

In Ukraine, as Russian soldiers approach, people clear out of their homes. Women and children are evacuated whenever possible and for the most part they just leave behind men of fighting age to do the fighting and dying. When you see photos of Ukrainian men massacred in military installations, the reason you don't see dead women and kids everywhere isn't that they were spared by the generous, kind Russians, it's that they got out in the hours and days before the advance. This happened even when it was difficult to leave and people didn't have a readily available place to escape to. You do whatever you have to, in order to clear out the kids.

In Gaza, women and children aren't allowed to leave the area, even when Israel has given massive amounts of advance warning they intend to attack. Gaza's fighting age men say "sorry, what are we supposed to do? Leave our homes? We stay right here, and our families stay, too." They act like it's impossible for people to put their shit in a couple of bags and get the fuck out of neighborhoods that are about to be rubble, even though in all other international conflicts, people closest to the areas of fighting get the children and women out of the area.

Somehow, Gaza believes their people (and they alone) shouldn't be expected to have to leave their houses ever, even if they're in the neighborhood closest to the fighting. It's a strategy designed to run up civilian casualty numbers.

They act like these casualty numbers are because of Israel, but very few countries in the history of modern warfare have ever given this much time and warning to people needing to get out. "Where are they supposed to go?" IDK, somehow people manage elsewhere, which is exactly why normal civvy casualty numbers are much lower, because when people aren't actively prohibited from leaving an area, they leave even if they have to leave everything they own behind.

Hamas undoubtedly knew there would be some retaliation, why did they not maintain civilian escape corridors and have contingency plans available to evacuate their people and get South Gazans to accept northern ones into their homes? The only explanation is that civilian casualties (or as they call them, "martyrs") are a feature, not a bug, in their war plans.
 
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ForTheHoard said:
Al-Qaeda, ISIS, and the Taliban regularly used mosques in Iraq and Afghanistan to store weapons and launch attacks. Early in the war, US troops would shoot back. Jewish NGOs stepped in, sued a shitload of people, and forced us to stop. Shooting into a mosque was a war crime, and if anyone got caught doing it, Berg and Stein would come in and fuck your day up. Members of those muslim groups would sometimes get captured and end up being brought to America to be tried. The second they were in US custody, a Jewish NGO would send in a team of big dick lawyers to protect them for free. Was a prisoner deprived of his prayer beads or his Qaran for a few hours? Jewish NGO lawsuit. Was a prisoner given an non-halal meal? Jewish NGO lawsuit. They even lobbied the pentagon every time a US soldier didn't get annihilated for breaking laws in a war zone to the point where entire units were unwilling to engage in combat without getting getting orders from a higher up to do so.

I don't hate Jews for their beliefs and I don't hate Israel for existing. I hate them because they project ideals onto others with extreme prejudice while violating every one of their own principals when it comes to defending Jews. If you point out the hypocrisy, consider your career and social life over. If you aren't a Jew, your blood being spilled means nothing, and if you are a Jew, the world should spill it's blood before you spill yours.

I'm not saying militant Muslims are any more moral, but at least they're not pretending to be our friends. Western society has no allies in this war.
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Sigh those are the atheist secular Jews who Israelis despise.

The same types that started the retarded "Military Freedom From Religion foundation" and similar.

Aka gigantic assholes who need to be slapped and ignored
 
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Shit, it's REALLY going down now:

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Diana Moon Glampers said:
Somehow, Gaza believes their people (and they alone) shouldn't be expected to have to leave their houses ever, even if they're in the neighborhood closest to the fighting. It's a strategy designed to run up civilian casualty numbers.
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I wouldn't say it's just Gaza. I don't think Americans would tolerate it if one of the countries we bomb started rolling tanks onto our streets. Same with the British occupation of Ireland. French and Dutch families hid in their (superior to American) cheese cellars with Panzers parked outside. Individual survival isn't (didn't used to be) a universal priority in many cultures, and even less so in highly secular ones.

Mind you, this doesn't seem to apply to Ukraine. At the first sign of trouble, 80% of the country headed for the exit faster than a Jew tripping balls at a rave on the border with Gaza.
 
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But I Digress said:
Man hanging posters for a Hostage Return Vigil confronts people who tore them down


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If anyone was curious, Colleen Topping, Luci Hornbeck and Evan Thompson.
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Amusingly @StopAntisemites described them as "the two women ripping down posters", which you know will piss off Ms Luci Testosterone-voice, and clarified that Luci is the one with glasses while Colleen was the "chubby one".
People have already started inundating Starbucks and Simpatico. Colleen is seemingly unemployed (shock horror) but people have been contacting VCU Arts (where she's now graduated from) and Centercourt Club & Sports (which is pleading on twitter for people to understand that Colleen hasn't worked there for years). They've seemingly DFE but Colleen's terrible Society6 page is still up -
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The video's infuriating because it's peak NPC behaviour - "Palestine good, Israel bad, poster mentions Israel therefore bad" and when confronted about it being a vigil, they just try to play victim along the lines of "you're bothering us". It's like they didn't get the memo that breaching the social contract (ripping down a poster for a vigil) means other people break the social contract (not leaving you alone when you ask them to). Also allegedly Luci is actually Jewish herself (currently unsubstantiated).
 

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AssignedEva said:
If anyone was curious, Colleen Topping, Luci Hornbeck and Evan Thompson.
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Amusingly @StopAntisemites described them as "the two women ripping down posters", which you know will piss off Ms Luci Testosterone-voice, and clarified that Luci is the one with glasses while Colleen was the "chubby one".
People have already started inundating Starbucks and Simpatico. Colleen is seemingly unemployed (shock horror) but people have been contacting VCU Arts (where she's now graduated from) and Centercourt Club & Sports (which is pleading on twitter for people to understand that Colleen hasn't worked there for years). They've seemingly DFE but Colleen's terrible Society6 page is still up -
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The video's infuriating because it's peak NPC behaviour - "Palestine good, Israel bad, poster mentions Israel therefore bad" and when confronted about it being a vigil, they just try to play victim along the lines of "you're bothering us". It's like they didn't get the memo that breaching the social contract (ripping down a poster for a vigil) means other people break the social contract (not leaving you alone when you ask them to). Also allegedly Luci is actually Jewish herself (currently unsubstantiated).
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"LISTEN BUDDY! I'M JEWISH TOO!" lol

Also, the soyboy working at a place called "Simpatico" is too perfect, this has to be some kind of weird performance art.
 
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Criticallacitirc said:
What I like about this one is the argument against the missing person posters , is "what good will it do in the US? They are missing in Israel, it's just propaganda" . These posters were for a prayer vigil for the safe return of hostages. So they have an action you can partake in and they still ripped them down.

Also I love the fucking pooner with her. You can tell her tshots are giving her roid rage but she is still scared of the big jew man.
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I'm not sure that's a pooner, cis male leftist soys tend to look similar.

I swear to Allah, there is a factory in Hell that turns them out like Terminators.
 
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Racist Trash said:
>When you say you are running out of fuel and electricity but then keep all the lights on switch on some extra spot lights and host a movie night of killing people
I have absolutely no idea why I can't sympathize with them
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It's funny how they're constantly low on everything except for rockets and militants. But hey, donate today!!!
 
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BananaBlue said:
They sure must know Hamas will never surrender. They aren't an organized military group. They are just a group of smelly radicals who recruit any degenerate they come across.
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Probably their goal is to create a greater demilitarized zone in the north by cutting off the area off from the south (more Israeli cities in the North, easier to launch missiles into the more densely populated cities of Israel proper from Gaza city and the surrounding area) and further compressing the rest of gaza to be honest.

Picture vaguely related for the area that is probably to be cut off as an extended dmz
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Other than that, this is more of a punishment campaign, to show that if they get fucked with in this way again- they will not hesitate to eliminate an entire chain of command, and push through civilians to get at them, and have the capability to do so.

To be entirely fair, I actually don't they even have their plans fully fleshed out yet- as this attack caught them with their pants down, and this may be similar to the US after 9/11 and lacking a concrete plan for how to address Afghanistan and Iraq within the first few weeks of 9/11.


Saying that: I would say that they're likely going to be too invested in 'state building' in Gaza, so will probably have little to do with improving the lives of the people there. I think Israel maintaining a security apparatus in Gaza is just going to be the state having the right to make regular raids, but I can't imagine them stationing police (even militarized ones) throughout the densely populated strip just to get pot shotted or suicide bombed by Palis constantly.

Sure, it is likely that Islamists will come into power again in the strip, but I'd basically say that they will be kept on a tighter leash, the leash will be much shorter, and the Gazans will likely lose even more land to create a better DMZ.

That DMZ expanding though, to give them less vantage point to launch rockets from, thats pretty much the one guarantee that we do have.
 
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