Fredrik Knudsen / "Down the Rabbit Hole" Guy / Loren The Owl - Youtube documentarian turned gay furry vtuber

[scathefire]

So, the cover’s out. It’s… actually fairly better than I was thinking it was going to be, yet the idea that he actually can kind of pull off this vocal range makes his regular monotone that much more annoying.

This shit also has like no views at time of posting, under 300.

To effectively growl (and also not fuck up your vocal chords) takes a lot of skill and physical fitness, so I'll give him that.

 

[KingOfHypocrisy]

Is it any good? I've had it recommended but I'm so tired of people with obviously no passion creating long ass videos while trying to play it safe and give empty platitudes that I've become autistically picky with whatever videos I watch on YouTube.

I thought it was pretty good but I don't actively follow Boogie, so it might not be as interesting if you know all the lore. Most people seem to praise the production value and that the video maker actually got Boogie to appear in the entire thing. The video does try to go for a more tragic/sad tone but Boogie comes off pretty unlikable with his entitlement and idiotic financial decisions.

 

[stupid frog]

Is it any good? I've had it recommended but I'm so tired of people with obviously no passion creating long ass videos while trying to play it safe and give empty platitudes that I've become autistically picky with whatever videos I watch on YouTube.

The guy who made the doc a-logs him in it, and Boogie comes off like a pathetic liar. It's pretty good.

 

[0 0]

Is it any good? I've had it recommended but I'm so tired of people with obviously no passion creating long ass videos while trying to play it safe and give empty platitudes that I've become autistically picky with whatever videos I watch on YouTube.

It's pretty good but contains more shirtless Boogie than I can tolerate.

 

[GayRapistWithAIDs]

A documentary about Boogie, by a brand new youtuber is currently outperforming the Eve video.
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Tbf it was signal boosted by other big YouTubers, namely Critical. That being said it's also a much better video, and the interview scene from it made me laugh so hard I almost passed out

 

[Harm]

Is it any good? I've had it recommended but I'm so tired of people with obviously no passion creating long ass videos while trying to play it safe and give empty platitudes that I've become autistically picky with whatever videos I watch on YouTube.

It's enjoyable as a piece of entertainment, but both Boogie and the director have since admitted that they "approximated" and "estimated" and even admit they "exaggerate" some of the numbers and figures they discuss pertaining to his financial situtaion. So, in terms of documenting facts and information it's pretty lame.

 

[Mecha-King Ghidorah]

Damn it's always disappointing to see a YouTuber I enjoy has earned a thread here.

 

[ShitLurker]

So, the cover’s out. It’s… actually fairly better than I was thinking it was going to be, yet the idea that he actually can kind of pull off this vocal range makes his regular monotone that much more annoying.

This shit also has like no views at time of posting, under 300.

Mmm, maybe someone can superchat him owl pellets or whatever the fuck is money for them and get him to sing Judgement Shinpan, getting him to upstage a certain insecure slanted manlet would be peak.

Tbf it was signal boosted by other big YouTubers, namely Critical. That being said it's also a much better video, and the interview scene from it made me laugh so hard I almost passed out

I only saw the interview bit that Josh shared in MATI and it was honestly hilarious, but I'm not sure I'd be willing to sit through a documentary about a fat fuck that loves using emotional blackmail to get by. I'm no Boogie specialist but I do think I know enough where I would be more annoyed than laughing at his crybully bullshit.

 

[Franz Joseph]

So when is Fredrik going to have the Adam Johnston arc and we find out there is a video of him getting railed in the ass by a furry?

 

[xXthrowawayaccountXx]

I think I realized why this thread feels so empty. People have said that it feels "premature", or that the people complaining about it are mad that someone they like is getting shat on. But really, the problem is that this is only interesting because it's the DTRH guy.

If you took that fact away, and just said "hey, there's this new vtuber out called loren." No one would bother to make a thread, because in the world of vtubing itself Loren is decidedly middle of the road. Not exactly the Loli, the Vore Slime Girl, or the almost underage "femboy" diaperfag.

And even on the DTRH side: Yeah it was kinda mid, but that's it. If it fucking SUCKED, or if it took another 5 years to make, that would be funny. Or if he went out of his way to make attack videos against his detractors. But "man fumbles making documentary, to mixed audience acclaim" Isn't really a headline. It isn't spoony summoning new illnesses from the aether to justify not making videos.

All of these details together are kind of interesting, but there is still nothing outstanding about the situation. There's no real moment of pill shaking to really get any laughs from.

I think people on this website need to remember what the word "lolcow" means, and stop treating this site like a diet tier drama blog.

 

[Carpenter Trout]

I'll miss his docs

You know the saying, "there are plenty more fishes in the sea".
I'm seeing lots of potential documentaries youtubers in my feed, the thing is that they're all specific to a topic (for example there's this guy that documents the history of short wave radio stations, mostly counting stations), which is leagues better than having someone messes up an important detail because he's a jack of all trades and fucks up in all.

Two years of constant positive reinforcement on social media has eroded his ability to let criticism slide.

The effect of social media's hugboxes has on a motherfucker.

 

[BScCollateral]

I think Down the Rabbit Hole has been pretty damn good, and Knudsen has a knack for finding subjects I didn't think would be interesting.
The latest didn't do much for me. I'm interested in military history, but a game where wars are fundementally fought for the fun of it makes it so detached from reality there's very little to get out of it. SF worldbuilding is intriguing, but this truly turns into "Then they deployed their Everything Disintegrator, but the other side had researched Everything Proof Shields..." so it's not exactly riveting stuff. It's not at all like the blow-by-blow CoD match in the Wings documentary, which made sense to me even though I've never played it.
There's some nuggets where the effect all this had on peoples' lives came up, but I suspect jobs and marriages were lost to this game,
On the positive side, the documentary did point out how tenuous the "real world" value of these fleets are.

 

[GayRapistWithAIDs]

I only saw the interview bit that Josh shared in MATI and it was honestly hilarious, but I'm not sure I'd be willing to sit through a documentary about a fat fuck that loves using emotional blackmail to get by. I'm no Boogie specialist but I do think I know enough where I would be more annoyed than laughing at his crybully bullshit.

I also watched it with the boys during hangout night, watching that solo would've been depressing

 

[grapeshark77]

A documentary about Boogie, by a brand new youtuber is currently outperforming the Eve video.
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Mike's is now at 3.3 million, Fred ..... 2.2.



He posted this 8 days ago, probably not realizing that it would outdo his. The Boogie video is fine but it's only 55 minutes long so you don't have to set aside 6 hours to listen to rambling - much easier to share because of that too. If someone watched Fred's video on stream the chat would leave.

 

[Spoonomancer]

Mike's is now at 3.3 million, Fred ..... 2.2.

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He posted this 8 days ago, probably not realizing that it would outdo his. The Boogie video is fine but it's only 55 minutes long so you don't have to set aside 6 hours to listen to rambling - much easier to share because of that too. If someone watched Fred's video on stream the chat would leave.

I don't often see streamers wanting to do six hour long livestreams covering a single topic, either. Most, if not all live streamers I've seen who are willing on reaching the six hour mark tend to focus on more than one topic during a stream to not run themselves dry in a single stream on one single topic, much less a topic that requires what amounts to years of knowledge on one video game that has a bigger learning curve than usual games.

 

[Mecha-King Ghidorah]

It's pretty good but contains more shirtless Boogie than I can tolerate.

And that's why I'm glad I mostly just listen to YouTube videos instead of watch.

 

[Rockzo]

Jesus, Freddy could speed up his talking rate. 6 hours of slow ponderous talking could be cut down to 2.5 hours playing it at double speed, which is what Null did I think. I still think he has a good narrating voice but it being slow is something you don't notice when the vid is only 15 - 20 minutes long. With it being 6 hours, you really do notice it. Another caption highlights an article and you know a minute of your life is going to be wasted by him reading it.
Regarding the content, it is well thought out and timelined into segments but again I feel as if you could chapter it in a way like Mandalore's really early review of Eve and not have such a bloated run time. The two hour mark has you cover the early section of CCP, the initial development, the early economy and faction wars, the council and the introduction of Plex. That's two whole hours. I think you could edit that down and speed freddy up to cover that in just over an hour.
Multiple times at the end of segments, he'd make a claim like "The game was going to change in an unexpected way." No, bad Freddy. Cut that. Each time you do that you're adding to runtime with sequiturs that arn't needed. Just flash a chapter card and go straight into it.

One of the things I'll say about Eve is it's fascinating how the Goonswarm went against the Band of Brothers because they were legit cheaters, then The Mittani turned them into a mustache twirling villian to keep the game going and generate player interest. It's also nice to see neutral corps like Eve University and Signal Cartel actually help new players or provide a way for people who don't want to engage with PvP but still want to play the game. Taking a look at their K/D ratio though, Signal have killed a thousand ships and lost 42k of their own. It must suck to be a herbivore.

The real money trading issue. As an MMO, you need someway to have an income and it's usually through subscriptions or making the game free to play and offering cosmetics or other shit. There's always going to be someone to do such a thing but to leverage that proceeds from gambling into paying the mercs to go to war for you. Now that's some 14th century city state thinking.
As the developer, I don't know what you can do other than trying to ineffectively play whack a mole with them or lose the entire plex side of the economy but that would kill your revenue stream.

Then we get to the Citadel systems. These changed the game to be way more static. Being able to house titans, large defensive bonuses. The PvP map probably wouldn't change all that much with just how many fortifications there are.
A comparison would be Sins of a Solar Empire vs the Vasari. They can build 2 mobile starbases in a system, call in reserve black fleet ships and drop a Phase Stabaliser node to transport their entire fleet from one side of their empire to another. It makes cracking them a lost cause for you because you'd lose more ships than they would. Loss aversion is a core part of EVE, so everyone would want a Citadel, especially if they can house Titans that they can just pull out of storage during an invasion.
This also allowed for Titans, which were a rare ship, to be massed on such a scale that smaller corps like Rooks & Kings could no longer use tactics when raiding because instead of a few escorts and maybe a battleship, they'd send out a titan instead and the sheer size of it would be enough to ward off most ships.

Finally fucking finished. The music was kinda not needed to be honest and there are a lot of "female" names at the end, with two dedications that you know could be troons that offed themselves.
Overall this could have been a massively shortened video if he only stuck to the timeline of Eve, which is far more interesting than tangents of WoD and Dust 514 which both died anyway. He doesn't even give an ending to the game, just stating that another war is brewing and EVE is eternal, which is unlike his other vids.

Should have been 2 - 3 hours max going over the timeline/6 hours of me speeding up his slow narration to drag out run time. So a 5/10.

 

[ShitLurker]

I think I realized why this thread feels so empty. People have said that it feels "premature", or that the people complaining about it are mad that someone they like is getting shat on. But really, the problem is that this is only interesting because it's the DTRH guy.

If you took that fact away, and just said "hey, there's this new vtuber out called loren." No one would bother to make a thread, because in the world of vtubing itself Loren is decidedly middle of the road. Not exactly the Loli, the Vore Slime Girl, or the almost underage "femboy" diaperfag.

And even on the DTRH side: Yeah it was kinda mid, but that's it. If it fucking SUCKED, or if it took another 5 years to make, that would be funny. Or if he went out of his way to make attack videos against his detractors. But "man fumbles making documentary, to mixed audience acclaim" Isn't really a headline. It isn't spoony summoning new illnesses from the aether to justify not making videos.

All of these details together are kind of interesting, but there is still nothing outstanding about the situation. There's no real moment of pill shaking to really get any laughs from.

I think people on this website need to remember what the word "lolcow" means, and stop treating this site like a diet tier drama blog.

I was initially all for this thread, but yeah, there really isn't much going here and I assume his VTuber team and activity is so boring nobody bothers to post updates on that in here either. On my defense, I was expecting a spergout of sorts when everybody was paying attention, but to my surprise, Fredrick seemed to not spill his spaghetti.

Best I can think is maybe merging with the Multimedia thread and either keeping it there or in any other board deemed relevant. When some spicy discord leaks (there are always discord leaks) it may be worth reevaluating, but for now, seems pretty tame.

 

[The Lawgiver]

I was randomly thinking about some shit, so I skimmed back a bit and if I missed this already being brought up somehow sorry in advance but for some reason it just really bothers me that his vtuber account just uses his real name instead of like a different username/alias thing. The trend amongst certain youtube/internet guys over the years that started just using their real name on everything after a spike in popularity always gave me weird vibes, but this specific case is even weirder to me, especially given the super elaborate 8 minute long "lore" video.

 

[Blamo2000]

Should have been 2 - 3 hours max going over the timeline/6 hours of me speeding up his slow narration to drag out run time.

I think video essays have a fetishization of length at the detriment of pacing. Of course these things mostly exist to be background noise when somebody is playing games or doing household chores anyway.

I can also say that most content creator falls into the trap of adding unneeded complexity to their stuff over time because they don't have a producer mindset. See how Video Essays bloated in size, the small cut away segments in angry reviewer videos bloated into skit comedy etc. Basically you wanna up your own game, not considering that it is the detriment of the thing in the big picture.