2023 Israel-Palestine Armed Conflict: Official Mass Debates Edition

[Feline Supremacist]

I'm willing to pay the price of still having that but getting rid of Hamas and keeping Gazans either contained or out of the Gaza strip. I'd like to have a year were rockets wouldn't be flying over my house for once.

You are missing the forest for the trees; it's not just the Arabs that hate you now, it everyone, even other Jews. I'm not referring to the Haredi who refuse to accept the the state of Israel, I'm referring to Conservative/Reform and the others, eg Gen X/Millennial/Zoomer Jews who may or may not be particularly religious except during the High Holy Days, usually to appease their parents. Right now the US is supporting Netanyahu even as the number of Israelis who want him and his ilk gone grows every day. US governments change and people move on or are forced out, and everyone is pretending the US is no long a majority white Christian nation, thanks to the polices of the very people Israel depends on-and let me remind you there are people in Israel and the US government seriously demanding the US take in the very same Palestinians you are pushing out.

Really? Send them to the US so they can become citizens, get elected and begin enacting polices that favor them and theirs? Exactly what do they think will happen in ten, fifteen twenty years down the line and the US makes nice with Iran, Lebanon, Syria and Yemen? Call Russia? There are Likud cabinet members hysterically screaming they will destroy Russia right now because they aren't supporting Total Palestinian Death on Russian state media.

Israel may win this battle, but it will lose the war. I hear a lot of talk about God and Abraham and so on from Israelis but I never hear anyone mentioning Proverbs 16:18: "Pride goes before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall."

 

[EpicGamerMoment]

You are missing the forest for the trees; it's not just the Arabs that hate you now, it everyone, even other Jews. I'm not referring to the Haredi who refuse to accept the the state of Israel, I'm referring to Conservative/Reform and the others, eg Gen X/Millennial/Zoomer Jews who may or may not be particularly religious except during the High Holy Days, usually to appease their parents.

Look at this segment from CNN:

Israel has already started losing the propaganda war. This isn't some brown dude with Amy Goodman on Democracy Now! This is a blonde-haired blue-eyed all American sweetheart pouring her heart out about the plight of Palestinians on CN-fucking-N. All Israel is left with is clumsily making outrageous claims then quietly retracting them a week later.

 

[MrJokerRager]

Look at this segment from CNN:

Israel has already started losing the propaganda war. This isn't some brown dude with Amy Goodman on Democracy Now! This is a blonde-haired blue-eyed all American sweetheart pouring her heart out about the plight of Palestinians on CN-fucking-N. All Israel is left with is clumsily making outrageous claims then quietly retracting them a week later.

Even Zion Don, who a week ago was like wipe out Gaza.

Is now like let it all play out and he will try to make a deal with Iran.

Within less than a week.



Like this 4chan screencap says.

 

[01169]

Losing the propaganda war. Yawn. Russia lost that a day after the SMO started and yet it keeps on winning the war.

Israel is dismantling Gaza piece by piece and all the kvetching of the Arab diaspora doesn't help their gipsy Palestinians. You guys sound like you WANT it to be true because DA JOOZ when in reality no one gives a shit about sand niggers other than other sand niggers and the NPCs who have just found another current thing.

Meanwhile all the muzzie sperging is redpilling more and more normies who were on the fence before.

 

[AgendaPoster]

Losing the propaganda war. Yawn. Russia lost that a day after the SMO started and yet it keeps on winning the war.

Israel is dismantling Gaza piece by piece and all the kvetching of the Arab diaspora doesn't help their gipsy Palestinians.

"No it's not me it's those blasted anti-Semites"

BTW, there were no millions of people marching against Russia.
Why?
Cause it's a intra-European conflict and the dindus couldn't care less about how many whites die.

 

[EpicGamerMoment]

Losing the propaganda war. Yawn. Russia lost that a day after the SMO started and yet it keeps on winning the war.

Your comparison of Russia and Israel is a false equivalence. Russia doesn't rely on Western military and financial aid and holocaust guilt trips to maintain it's existence.

 

[01169]

Your comparison of Russia and Israel is a false equivalence. Russia doesn't rely on Western military and financial aid and holocaust guilt trips to maintain it's existence.

Since when is financial and military aid linked to public opinion?

 

[EpicGamerMoment]

Since when is financial and military aid linked to public opinion?

Every government policy starts off as public opinion. That's how policies like gay marriage and marijuana decriminalization came to be (for better or worse). Right now the idea that Israel is a fascist apartheid state among Americans seems to be where gay marriage was in the mid 2000s, I give it about a decade before "Israel" in Western society becomes a dirty word like South Africa in the 90s.

 

[MrJokerRager]

Every government policy starts off as public opinion. That's how policies like gay marriage and marijuana decriminalization came to be (for better or worse). Right now the idea that Israel is a fascist apartheid state among Americans seems to be where gay marriage was in the mid 2000s, I give it about a decade before "Israel" in Western society becomes a dirty word like South Africa in the 90s.

Doesn't help that the JIDF are batshit retarded compared to their retarded Palestinian counterparts.

 

[EpicGamerMoment]

Doesn't help that the JIDF are batshit retarded compared to their retarded Palestinian counterparts.

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They see where it's heading and they're desperate, so accusations against Hamas grow more insane and depraved as time goes on. Last time I checked it was Hamas cooking Jew babies in the oven, which is funny because it's literally what Israel did in 1948

 

[Catch The Rainbow]

They see where it's heading and they're desperate, so accusations against Hamas grow more insane and depraved as time goes on. Last time I checked it was Hamas cooking Jew babies in the oven, which is funny because it's literally what Israel did in 1948

By where it's headed you mean total Israeli victory? IDF is taking shifa now. Also the israelis put out a statement saying that oven thing was fake

 

[EpicGamerMoment]

IDF is taking shifa now

They bombed that joint like 8 times and still haven’t taken it. And I was talking about global public opinion, I’m not making any bold statements about the military situation as I think it’s too early. If/When the IDF reaches Gaza city is when I think the true battle will start.

Also the israelis put out a statement saying that oven thing was fake

I mean of course they will. I’ll give them this the Israeli government is not dumb enough to quadruple down on an obvious lie (unlike their supporters). The hasbara strategy for now seems to be “Throw shit at the wall til’ something sticks”

 

[AgendaPoster]

By where it's headed you mean total Israeli victory?

What victory?
You will displace 2M Arabs. You have incensed hundreds of millions more around you. Yuropoors are marching with ayyrabs in the streets of Europe. There hasn't been so much noticing since the 1930s in the EU.
You are like 19M people with 10 spread all over the planet. Your wealth and US golem will not last forever.
All you've built is ONE alliance and besides that, endless hatred.
History works in cycles. What do you think comes next as you create your Greater Israel, drunk on military successes against a sandnegro militia with primitive weapons. What will you do with the 2M Gazans? Egypt doesn't want them and you cannot force it to take them, as your plan was exposed.
You have no "victory" scenario for what you're doing, unless the US somehow agrees to fight your war and pacify your Arab neighbors. And they won't, cause that's a step too far even for the golem.

 

[Catch The Rainbow]

Yuropoors are marching with ayyrabs in the streets of Europe. There hasn't been so much noticing since the 1930s in the EU.
You are like 19M people with 10 spread all over the planet. Your wealth and US golem will not last forever.
All you've built is ONE alliance and besides that, endless hatred

Israel survived much worse against greater armies with much less resources. Look at 48/67/Attrition war, we were a poor country with a un imposed military blockade that only France and the Czechs ignored. We beat the Arab world's combined armies 3 times and now Israel is done because we're fighting a small terrorist organization?

You have zero idea of historical context with talking about how Israel built only one alliance. KSA is shooting down Yemenite missiles and imprisoning pro hamas imams, Egypt is leaning towards Israel in negotiations, and Germany/France straight up banned pro Palestinian protests with Germany saying they view the survival of Israel as an obligation of Germany.

History works in cycles. What do you think comes next as you create your Greater Israel,

Greater Israel is a meme for stupid people to latch onto, 0 evidence for it outside of kahanists.

What will you do with the 2M Gazans? Egypt doesn't want them and you cannot force it to take them, as our plan was exposed.

A policy suggestion paper which was leaked wasn't implemented, big shocker. Policy suggestion papers are just that, suggestions and the Israel govt didn't take that suggestion.

You have no "victory" scenario for what you're doing, unless the US somehow agrees to fight your war and pacify your Arab neighbors

You mean the same Arab neighbors that are either neutral or actively shooting down rockets from Yemen? The only threats are Iranian proxies.

Not expecting much better from the guy who said that Israel has to be better than the enemies they are fighting so Israel shouldn't react to events like Oct 7th but this is a new low for you in showing your ignorance. You're crying about Israel causing anti semitism in areas that already hate Jews, they're already lost lmao

 

[AgendaPoster]

showing your ignorance

I know your history and even religion far better than you, I assure you. Just as I know Islam's far better than 99% of the Muslims.
Of course, you've replied with chest thumping and bravado. A complete neglect of the dangers. But that's expected, as you can't really reply with something reasonable or logical. You HOPE for the best, you HOPE that the Arabs are demoralized enough by your repeated, golem-enabled victories. Although you were brave too, I am not saying you were not, but bravery means SHIT in face of larger numbers, as seen in Ukraine.
We shall wait and see how things develop.
As for Greater Israel, a meme it is not. Jerusalem. Golan. Gaza now. West Bank settlements.
We are not idiots. We SEE YOU. We notice. All of it is documented. And one day, there will be judgement, as there is for most crimes.

 

[EpicGamerMoment]

What victory?

Declaring "Total Israeli Victory" this early is even more ridiculous when you take into account that they don't even have a goal besides waltzing into Gaza and killing people. They said they want to "Wipe out Hamas", what does that mean ? Kill their leaders ? They're in Qatar. Take out the ones in Gaza ? What about the 30-40k heavily armed and trained fighters then are you goıing to kill them all ? How long will it take, can the Israeli economy and society sustain such a war ? So many questions and I haven't even touched on the intricate underground city they built that stretches to the Egyptian border.

Israel survived much worse against greater armies with much less resources.

You niggas were bigger and better armed than all the Arab armies combined in 1948 bro come on.

 

[AgendaPoster]

Declaring "Total Israeli Victory" this early is even more ridiculous when you take into account that they don't even have a goal besides waltzing into Gaza and killing people. They said they want to "Wipe out Hamas", what does that mean ? Kill their leaders ? They're in Qatar. Take out the ones in Gaza ? What about the 30-40k heavily armed and trained fighters then are you goıing to kill them all ? How long will it take, can the Israeli economy and society sustain such a war ? So many questions and I haven't even touched on the intricate underground city they built that stretches to the Egyptian border.

They have a plan, we just don't know it, and we can only speculate. They're not idiots, they're high IQ cruel deviants.
As I said numerous times, underestimating an enemy or competitor can be a fatal mistake.
IMO the plan is to push the population towards the south near the border more and more and slowly cleanse the north part. When they get rid of the hospitals and refugee camps and starve whatever is left of the population until they move towards the south to get UN aid, they will start cleaning up the tunnels (for real, not on foot, but with demolitions, flooding, gassing, for example how Russia dealt with the theater terror attack, by pumping some fentanyl derivative in). Hamas won't stand a chance.
After that, the conditions in the southern Gaza will slowly become a humanitarian crisis. There will be international pressure on Egypt to allow refugee camps in Sinai. If they do, Gaza will be annexed in full. Palestinians will never return to it as long as Israel exists as a state. Israel might even pay Egypt or come with some juicy deal.
The real question is this:
- will Arab anger explode in some way, or will Arabs prove that they are now as pacified as Europeans and will accept humiliation and reject self-sacrifice?
Hamas' gambit was exactly this, to stop all relation normalization, as they correctly understood that if Israel restored diplomatic relations with Arab states, Palestine will slowly be assimilated and disappear. So they hoped to provoke a large reaction from Israel, which they succeeded in. Now the expectation would be to create overflowing Arab anger. This is still in question.

 

[Just_Somebody]

You niggas were bigger and better armed than all the Arab armies combined in 1948 bro come on.

What the fuck are you talking about?

How the fuck were the Israelis better armed at the start of 1948?

 

[EpicGamerMoment]

What the fuck are you talking about?

How the fuck were the Israelis better armed at the start of 1948?

Zionist militias have been pouring in arms since the end of WWI. They had armored vehicles before the war even started. Also bigger than all Arab armies combined in sheer numbers. With most fighters either being Jewish members of the US Army fresh out of WWII or veterans of the Zionist insurgency in Palestine + Anti-Nazi partisan movements.

Arab countries on the other hand gained independence 5 minutes ago with small inexperienced forces. Any way you look at it the Yishuv was %100 at a military advantage. The narrative of a small zionist militia fighting off a dozen fully armed Arab nations is basically folklore.

 

[MrJokerRager]