Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

I got so exhausted hearing people shit talk Russia as incompetent for not being able to win the war immediately. When Ukraine was receiving aid from the entire Western world to the tune of $billions every month. And even then, Ukraine wasn't faring so well. Let's see how the slava Ukraini NPCs act now that Ukraine doesn't have the infinite money cheat anymore and starts having to stand on its own.
 
I got so exhausted hearing people shit talk Russia as incompetent for not being able to win the war immediately. When Ukraine was receiving aid from the entire Western world to the tune of $billions every month. And even then, Ukraine wasn't faring so well. Let's see how the slava Ukraini NPCs act now that Ukraine doesn't have the infinite money cheat anymore and starts having to stand on its own.
My response is that, even if we take the Slave Ukelele narrative as 100% TRUE AND HONEST...it doesn't paint the picture they think it does.

They mean to tell me that Ukraine even with billions in foreign aid and arms shipments and Russia being "incompetent", is barely managing a favorable stalemate against Russia? That's the best Ukraine can do? And I'm expected to chalk this up as a proxy victory?
If Russia is such an incompetent shithole, and Ukraine is this mighty underdog, then how come it isn't Ukraine who won the war in 3 months by flattening Moscow?
 
I forgot running across this gem back in May...
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Well, it's been several months now, and it turns out the answer is "not much."

It's not that highly underequipped and outnumbered forces can't turn the tide against a larger and technologically superior opponent by way of innovation (see the Chad v Libya "Toyota War").

But more important than innovation is motivation, something the Ukes have clearly been lacking given the fact they need to basically press-gang people off of the street or keep armed blocking regiments around to keep troops from retreating.
 
It's not that highly underequipped and outnumbered forces can't turn the tide against a larger and technologically superior opponent by way of innovation (see the Chad v Libya "Toyota War").

The funny thing is Russians have been fighting this war on a budget and still are. And they are winning the economical war as well the war on the ground.

Also, Ukranians outnumbered the Russian force sent. And despite the blunders of the Russian forces from the get go, Assumptions that Ukranians would fold quickly, stretching themselfs thin and ridiculous rules of engagement,, etc, etc.

And I would even argue tech wise Ukranians at least had a advantage in drones. Though clearly not anymore. Both in numbers and capability(depending on the class)

I'm curious what the number of losses both material and human wise will be for both sides. Though that we will see only few years down the road. Along how much this has damaged the EU. Nevermind NATO's/Americas image. Along with what the Russian economy will be down the road.

Not to mention the pandoras box that has been opend once again. By some of the NATO's actions.
 
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I'm shocked, I tell you! Shocked! 🙄

EU Says Highly Unlikely It Will Meet Ammunition Pledge to Ukraine

Won't quote the whole thing, but a couple of items caught my eye...

Bloomberg previously reported that the EU was falling short of the target. With more than half of that time now gone, the initiative has so far delivered about 30% of the target and, based on the volume of contracts signed to date, risked missing its goal.

A South Korean lawmaker said earlier this month that Pyongyang has sent more than 1 million shells to Russia.
 


A senior Ukrainian military officer with deep ties to the country’s intelligence services played a central role in the bombing of the Nord Stream natural gas pipelines last year, according to officials in Ukraine and elsewhere in Europe, as well as other people knowledgeable about the details of the covert operation.

The Post is the CIA's semi official mouthpiece. The story was provided as a briefing by the Ukrainian Presidential office, direct from Zelensky. General Zaluzhny is being blamed for ordering the attack without official approval.

Now it goes without saying that Ukraine, a country without a navy and no presence in the Baltic Sea, is not exactly a prime suspect for a crime that required a sophisticated naval op and specialist divers. So it's a lie but tells us the following:

The civil war in Ukraine between the President and head of the armed forces is confirmed.

The US did indeed blow up the pipelines again confirmed by this pathetic cover story with their pet client state being offered up as a patsy.

None of this is surprising except the CIA's involvement which is evident by who's publishing it. Also why now? Ukraine is being thrown under the bus to preserve America's relationship with Germany?
 
The Post is the CIA's semi official mouthpiece. The story was provided as a briefing by the Ukrainian Presidential office, direct from Zelensky. General Zaluzhny is being blamed for ordering the attack without official approval.
I do believe that seen as this is all but been confirmed this was an attack launched by the Ukrainian military forces against critical european infrastructure, infrastructure of those that are members of NATO I may add. This, for all intent and purposes would warrant article 4 procedures to exist, and will mandate article 5. Plus, it was technically an attack on the US as Article 5 notes that:

Article 5 provides that if a NATO Ally is the victim of an armed attack, each and every other member of the Alliance will consider this act of violence as an armed attack against all members and will take the actions it deems necessary to assist the Ally attacked.
I guess Ukraine is a terrorist state now, and they need to get the Afghanistan treatment. We don't know how this rot goes, and we don't know if Z man is lying about not being aware of the attack. Hell, this reminds me. How is the investigation of the Finland-Estonia pipeline bombing going?

Oops, turns out that it is now believed to be due to anchor damage by a Hong Kong vessel. Yeah, no wonder we didn't hear much of it. article Archive

NAFO bros, our desperate attempts to be in a legal war with Russia are not working. Gosh darn it! I remember all the promises that if it was Russia, we'd no longer be needing to get the neo-cons in government any viagra.
 
I feel really vindicated by the absolute switch up on Ukraine and Zelensky ever since shit started popping off in the Middle East again. All that "support" was purely artificial, whether it was bots, government employees or just useful idiots.
It was pretty obvious since the very beginning. I mean, if anyone really cared, it wouldn't have slowed down as months passed. I doubt most people knew Ukraine existed beforehand. To so many, it was just the new thing to virtue signal about. Liberals supporting Palestinians because they're brown over le racist colonizer Jews is a far more entertaining circus anyway.
 
I got so exhausted hearing people shit talk Russia as incompetent for not being able to win the war immediately. When Ukraine was receiving aid from the entire Western world to the tune of $billions every month. And even then, Ukraine wasn't faring so well. Let's see how the slava Ukraini NPCs act now that Ukraine doesn't have the infinite money cheat anymore and starts having to stand on its own.
It’s bad cope but it shows the shifting tide: from Putler getting couped by CIA plants Diverse Russian Citizens Who Totally Want Democracy to Russia falling apart any day now to Russia falling apart with a new Ukrainian offensive to now Russia is losing because they didn’t defeat Ukraine fast enough for their liking. Soon it will be that Russia lost because they only carved out half of Ukraine. This is a black eye to globohomo that can’t be handwaved away.

To be fair, Russia did fight very conservatively in the beginning, likely to prevent having to spend bigly bucks on rebuilding infrastructure.
 
It’s bad cope but it shows the shifting tide: from Putler getting couped by CIA plants Diverse Russian Citizens Who Totally Want Democracy to Russia falling apart any day now to Russia falling apart with a new Ukrainian offensive to now Russia is losing because they didn’t defeat Ukraine fast enough for their liking. Soon it will be that Russia lost because they only carved out half of Ukraine. This is a black eye to globohomo that can’t be handwaved away.

To be fair, Russia did fight very conservatively in the beginning, likely to prevent having to spend bigly bucks on rebuilding infrastructure.
Remember, in the mix was, "Russia's arms exports will be destroyed because St Javelin proves the T-90 isn't an invincible superweapon," as though T-72 variants were ever seen as anything more than reasonably priced workhorse tanks. Now that Russia is buttfucking American and German armor with cheap loitering munitions, all talk of that has stopped.
 
>Bro just gib more money
>Fine if you won't give us gibs we'll take a loan
What an actual nigger lol. I can't tell if hes so retarded that he thinks the billions The US and Europe already gave him are just free gibs and doesn't think he has to pay them back or he's just being jewish.
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I almost feel bad for the guy but then I remember he spent that money on boob jobs and face lifts for his wife while sending his countrymen to die in an unwinnable war because of corruption and ego meanwhile now I guess he spends more time in the US and Europe then his own country. I would not be surprised if this guy gets assassinated.

Haven't been following the war the last couple of months is the cope thread still holding out hope for the ultra mega spring counter offensive that's supposed to retake Crimea? It's nearly winter now and through a quick search I found this Time article dated in August titled Here's how Ukraines counter offensive can still succeed
Lol does that pretty much sum up the long awaited spring counter offensive, 2 more weeks?
The elected a jew and are shocked when they get screwed over by him and all the scummy things he does to stay in power.

Ukie girls are whores so maybe electing one happened because he got the empathy vote.

Peace through disarmament didn't work after the first World War, so they tried peace through strength after the second. And, you know, it worked...more or less. Washington and Moscow bared their teeth a lot at each other over the next few decades, but when push comes to shove, nobody wants a nuke crammed up their ass. In fact, I think there's a pretty good case to be made that the Ukraine War is only happening because America misjudged Russia as much weaker than it is, which just lends more credence to the idea that the only real peace is ever had under the umbrella of overwhelming firepower. If Russia had given up its nukes after the end of the Cold War, your President would be a CIA asset.



What has happened in the West since maybe the 1980s is our elites believe they should be believed simply due to the positions and titles they have. Like, they will be caught openly, brazen lying, not even trying to keep their stories straight (e.g. COVID) then turn right around and become incensed that nobody trusts them. Domestically and internationally. What little credibility the USA had left, the Biden admin shredded to get back at Trump, apparently not realizing that foreign governments, despite largely disliking Trump, care a lot more about having deals honored than which party holds the White House. Biden's managed to torch credibility even with our allies.
I would argue that the war happened because the jews became the majority of the ruling stratum in the USA (currently at 93% in the Biden regime) had a boner for Russia and needed a plan B for when Wasreal got glassed.

So they started poking the bear until it had enough of the nonsense and decided to end it.
 
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