Off-Topic Scrambled Eggs: Kiwi Farms Detransitioner and Desister General

[Transphobic Climacus]

I stand 100% behind the Prodigal troons. I don't think people who fall for trans activism are stupid or retarded - they are merely naive teenagers. The whole weight of the Cathedral and the scientific establishment is crashing hard against sensitive people. All it takes is an absent parent and escapism.

 

[MCRonald]

I don't want to ask people to power level here but i'm going to assume the majority of detrooners here are biologically female. Please correct me if I wrong but I tend to find the male to female troons are of the coomer / autogynephilic types that infest the internet of late. That aside I'm glad more people are waking up to this social contagion and I hope you are all able to live fulfilling and happy lives as a result.

I don't know about the others, but I'm a guy.
Definitely not a Coomer or AGP

 

[Radion_Godiva]

People only detrans cause they didn't get enough attention when trooning out.

I don't know why this post got so much hate, I know two detroons and this is most certainly the case with both, although they'd never admit it.

 

[ShooterOfCum]

I think it's also worth adding to the OP that the main reason you should be very careful with personal information is because of retribution. All cults, the tranny cult included, will vilify outsiders, and of course Kiwi Farms is their number one enemy. Simply associating yourself with Kiwi Farms will get you on their shitlist, as we all should know.

However, if there is one thing cults despise more than an opposing group of outsiders, it's insiders turned outsiders, or traitors. Traitors hold valuable insider information that the cult would absolutely prefer to keep a secret in the cult, and they will hunt you until the end of days to silence you, preferably for good. There's a reason why research on detransitioners in universities is practically non-existent, as it gets hounded out the moment such research is even suggested. The cult will go to every length to keep insider information from outsiders. Trannies have no life. They are welfare queens who only perpetuate misery, and will direct all of their anger on the detransitioning traitors.

 

[Ann Berlin]

Questions for detrans:
- Was your detransition/desistance based on your own research and self-discovery, or were you nudged by other people?
- Did the general trans culture do anything to "peak" you into detransitioning?
- What was your biggest medical transition-related regret (hormones, surgery, binding etc)? Any social transition regrets (pronouns, identity, public presence as a trans person)?
- While making the decision to detrans, what were the reasons you considered to potentially continue your transition?

 

[LinkinParkxNaruto[AMV]]

I support detransitioners. and have empathy for them. The younger trannies were raised into it by the internet and stablishment that failed them and led them on the wrong path. A lot also choosed wrong and were stupid but everyone should have a chance to try to make up for their mistakes, i don't think doing something cringe at 18 should end your life, i maybe have less simpathy for the older ones who have families that depend of them but alas.

There should be avenues to support vulnerable people before its too late. cults have a pattern of turning victims into culprits, a member will not only hurt themselves but work to indoctrinate and hurt others, detransitioning possibly saves more than just one person in the end.

I also think you should be able to tell your stories here but make sure nothing about your profile is doxxeable. If anything positive can come out of your bad times it is preventing other people follow the same path.

 

[Berserker Armor]

I like to add a little bit of yogurt and paprika in my scrambled eggs.

Oregano busses in it too btw

I don't want to ask people to power level here but i'm going to assume the majority of detrooners here are biologically female. Please correct me if I wrong but I tend to find the male to female troons are of the coomer / autogynephilic types that infest the internet of late. That aside I'm glad more people are waking up to this social contagion and I hope you are all able to live fulfilling and happy lives as a result.

So far yes. I know that mcronald is the only former MTF.
They really tend to be. They are always pure full blown sex pests and it’s quite terrifying. They also are very very hostile to FTM/TiFs. Misogyny doesn’t ever go away “transwoman” or not. You are beneath these motherfuckers who post “girl”cock and T4T “lesbian” content while they treat you like shit AND TRY to fuck you. It’s insane. TiFs are men to them. They are still women but since they are a woman but better. It’s different.
If they aren’t AGPs, they are gay men trying to cope since it’s better to be a lesbian transwoman and fuck other lesbian trans women. Totally not two gay dudes. Totally. The ones who are gay men tend to take better care of themselves depending tho. Dress better, try to actually LOOK like a woman and bathe (lol). The AGPs… yeah.

What was your biggest medical transition-related regret (hormones, surgery, binding etc)? Any social transition regrets (pronouns, identity, public presence as a trans person)?

For me it’s binding. I unfortunately have
damaged some breast tissue and if I could would likely need some surgery. It’s not too bad in out right appearance at least.
Social transition.. tbh I weirdly don’t regret it in a way but I went through an awkward phase where I couldn’t fully flesh out a name for myself. Pronouns is a so-so for me. I really don’t care how people refer to me in general. My family will likely continue to use he/him for me until the day I die. Which I am weirdly okay with?

Was your detransition/desistance based on your own research and self-discovery, or were you nudged by other people?

Both. There were things said to me that made things click. I am thankful for that person despite it being harsh. I have used here and /snow/ for years. I have seen the tranch rise and fall. Lou gags. Ripley. Quite a few troons in general. It didn’t click at first for a long time… then it did. The ladies at /snow/ love to link papers on gender critical and general radfem stuff. It helped in a weird way
A biggest part of it was me realizing that I didn’t actually care. I wanted to just exist. I will acknowledge that I am a woman. I was just a tomboy that followed the troon pipe like.

Did the general trans culture do anything to "peak" you into detransitioning?

Sex pests, attention seekers, pedophiles, it literally destroying a few of my friends, MTFs being better then everyone else, seeing FTMs encourage each other’s self harm (as in cutting btw) or eating disorders, lots of FTMs talking about pretty serious trauma and denying it being why they are trooning, butch lesbians falling for the FTM shit, upper middle class trannies acting like their life is so hard while getting everything handed to them, normalizing bad effects of hormones and surgery complications, grifters, FTMs insisting they are men despite dressing feminine + wearing makeup, people who claim to be intersex and enbies who are clearly straight women trying to be different.

All of it lol

While making the decision to detrans, what were the reasons you considered to potentially continue your transition?

nonexistent answers. It was all hollow at that point. I had stopped buying the snake oil for a while so it was pretty easy.

I don't know why this post got so much hate, I know two detroons and this is most certainly the case with both, although they'd never admit it.

I mean it’s also not wrong. Weird sort of attention but… attention none the less I guess????

 

[Baraadmirer]

As someone who hasn't transitioned or detransitioned, but am still part of the LGBT "community", I wish the best for all desisters and detransitioners. In my college years I was more accepting of people going through SRS because it made them appear more like the opposite sex, but after seeing the results and learning about the side effects, I've become much less tolerant of it. My friend's passing pretty much cemented it.

Just going to be one of many to remind people here not to PL too hard and that if you thought about or went through with transitioning for reasons like external validation, find something healthy (and productive) to fill that void.

 

[The Repeated Meme]

You can say that about literally any Addiction.
"There's plenty resources and information online of people telling you how bad of an idea it is to Smoke"
"Not to mention the hundreds of thousands of horror stories coming from people who drink everyday"
"If it were up to me, Gambling would be completely banned in the U.S"

That's fucking retarded. Those things are in no way comparable.

 

[Jacques1194]

On the other hand, after the relative success of all the previous civil rights movements, I could see society at large having a hard time accepting that we were actually wrong about this one.

Yeah i see what you mean.One thing about progressives is that they're stubborn in their beliefs and can never admit when they're wrong because they have the belief that they're always on the "right side of history".With trans they truly believe that even if the majority dont support "trans rights" now that the younger generation(who are obsessed with gender)will increase trans acceptance and the "bigots" will die off.

As for Trans people themselves? Sadly, I don't see them going away, as I've said before they're a parasite, they aren't going to go down that easily.

Oh i don't think they'll go away.There will always be trans believers who think sex changes will one day be possible, but i think they'll just be seen as a tiny minority of weirdos like they used to be seen as.There is one question i forgot to ask.I'm sure you and other detrans people here have constantly herd the brain argument from many trans people.Did you or any detrans person here ever believed you had the brain of the gender you identified as?Despite it being their number 1 argument, i never herd of any gender doctors who actually gives MRI brain scans to prove their patients problems were because they were trans.As such, i'm assuming when you went to the doctors you never got a MRI brain scan that would prove your problems were because you were a "woman trapped inside a man's body."If so, did it at any point make you question the entire idea of transgenderism?

 

[Aunt Carol]

I hate to say "um aktually there are two kinds," but y'know.

There are people who fell for the gender experience, but grew up/took a moment to think and worked on the underlying causes, the situations in their lives that left them susceptible.

There are also people who turn 180 on a dime, loudly demanding HRT and titchop now now now oh OK cool now I need implants and laser and asspats now now now subscribe to my vlog to stay up-to-the-minute on my pronouns and how to center yourself on me. The melody doesn't change, just the lyrics.

Unfortunately, it seems like it's the latter who are more willing to get into Twitter arguments and, to a lesser extent, testify in front of subcommittees.

I think that ultimately the more helpful stories are going to come from gender atheists, not born-again gendies who reverted to their original faith with the same zeal.

 

[seri0us]

It is a clear violation of the Hippocratic oath. No, you don't get to mutilate perfectly healthy genitalia for the same reason that you wouldn't hack off a perfectly good limb.

Woah, cool it with the anti-semitism goy!

 

[Somebody Once Told Me]

I am AGP. Never fell for the gender bullshit since I'm from a third world country and lived my life in near poverty. Been working through it over the last few years and it's been fading. Now it's hard to fill that void because I never had normal sexual development. I wish there was more research on it.

 

[Doktor Grimm]

Wow, made it to page 4 already! I wasn't expecting this thread to attract so much outside attention, but I'm glad people are engaging.

So far yes. I know that mcronald is the only former MTF.

Actually, I'm ex MTF too, lol. I try to talk about detransition in more general terms, so sorry if that wasn't especially clear. I've seen a few detrans women around the Farms but am not sure if they're aware of this thread.

Was your detransition/desistance based on your own research and self-discovery, or were you nudged by other people?

It was primarily a conclusion I came to on my own. I can't imagine I would have been very receptive to any outsiders who actively encouraged me to detransition at the time, even if they were friendly about it.

Did the general trans culture do anything to "peak" you into detransitioning?

Yes, without question. Initially I was thrilled to be part of a group that seemed to share my struggle. As I got older, though, I grew to despise pretty much everything about mainstream trans culture. Their fixation on childish uwu-speak and spinny dresses and "gender euphoria" felt like an outright slap in the face as someone who genuinely believed that I had been cursed with a terrible birth defect, and I felt as if they were parading my serious medical condition around like it was some kind of freaky fashion statement. Everyone I interacted with in those circles was either a repellent creep or a BPD basket case.

Still, I pressed onwards, because I felt as if I had no other choice. Once I went public, the amount of validation heaped upon me by trans allies felt wholly unearned - even worse, I could tell they pitied me. The whole experience was so sickening that I cut ties with a whole bunch of my enablers and retreated back into the closet, which was probably the thing that saved me in the end. I probably never would've gotten the chance to genuinely reflect on myself and my decisions otherwise. After watching one of my close friends fall down the gender rabbit hole, I finally made the decision to quit for good.

While making the decision to detrans, what were the reasons you considered to potentially continue your transition?

I really didn't want to be seen as a guy who was into other guys. I was disgusted by gay men. Still am tbh. Though mainly it was the fact that I'd already spent so much of my time and energy on the idea of being transgender, and quitting when I did meant essentially throwing away most of my teenage years because of some weird delusion I was groomed into, which was hard. I think a lot of trannies cling on to that sunk cost fallacy as their reason to keep going.

They are always pure full blown sex pests and it’s quite terrifying. They also are very very hostile to FTM/TiFs. Misogyny doesn’t ever go away “transwoman” or not. You are beneath these motherfuckers who post “girl”cock and T4T “lesbian” content while they treat you like shit AND TRY to fuck you. It’s insane. TiFs are men to them. They are still women but since they are a woman but better.

It's insane what some of them get away with. The fact that their idea of a "better woman" consists of someone who dresses like their favourite anime girl, acts submissive at all times, and is DTF 24/7 is especially telling. TIFs are men to them because that makes them acceptable targets to aggressively hit on. No wonder so many FTMs turn to transmedicalism.

@Aunt Carol, yeah it sucks. A lot of the most outspoken detransitioners aren't much better than the troons themselves. The only ones willing to deal with the constant barrage of pissed off trans activists in their mentions are the ones who use them as a tool to farm sympathy from others and fuel their own victim complex. I'd like to think that the relative anonymity of the Farms and our general attitude towards attention seekers will attract the less zealous detransers.

 

[BadGoy1488]

Say what you will about this place, we are one hell of a motley crew.

 

[Deepland Bystander]

Admidttedly I'm not really a full 'detransitioners' as I did not have any medical procedures, but I could claim to be a desister. I had my legal name changed into something more common for the opposite sex. I still use that name, I don't like my old name anyway.

I got enticed by gender nonsense on tumblr back in the mid 2010s, and after a year I quickly realised how nonsensical this all movement is, after moving to a different environment.

@Aunt Carol, yeah it sucks. A lot of the most outspoken detransitioners aren't much better than the troons themselves. The only ones willing to deal with the constant barrage of pissed off trans activists in their mentions are the ones who use them as a tool to farm sympathy from others and fuel their own victim complex. I'd like to think that the relative anonymity of the Farms and our general attitude towards attention seekers will attract the less zealous detransers.

I hate to say "um aktually there are two kinds," but y'know.

There are people who fell for the gender experience, but grew up/took a moment to think and worked on the underlying causes, the situations in their lives that left them susceptible.

There are also people who turn 180 on a dime, loudly demanding HRT and titchop now now now oh OK cool now I need implants and laser and asspats now now now subscribe to my vlog to stay up-to-the-minute on my pronouns and how to center yourself on me. The melody doesn't change, just the lyrics.

Unfortunately, it seems like it's the latter who are more willing to get into Twitter arguments and, to a lesser extent, testify in front of subcommittees.

I think that ultimately the more helpful stories are going to come from gender atheists, not born-again gendies who reverted to their original faith with the same zeal.

With this thread getting created, I feel almost bad for criticising a lot of detransitioners before in detrans thread, before... but detransitioners on Kiwi seem chill and accepting of themselves, and i'm cool with that. I used to be a lot more sympathetic to detranstioners, like most people here - i can find the solidarity of being censored, and being traitors/apostates to the cult that's dominating our society today... but that has changed.

Many outspoken detransitioners I see in public is that they still hold warped gender cult beliefs and have no sense of accoutnability... and I completely understand why they still do act and believe in such way, it's hard to truly disengage yourself from the gender identity mindset when we're bombarded by it everyday. - The issue is that they're not going to be at real peace of heart doing so, they'll still want to chase the 'high', hoping that something will make them complete. They're going to challenge any societal framework we have about gender with that mindset, they're just going to be customers for 'reversal' procedures by unscrupulous surgeons just like when they trooned out.

 

[Berserker Armor]

Actually, I'm ex MTF too, lol. I try to talk about detransition in more general terms, so sorry if that wasn't especially clear. I've seen a few detrans women around the Farms but am not sure if they're aware of this thread.

Idk man the last time I checked you are a gator in some shades. Unless someone states their gender I assume they are either their username or icon lmao.

However, many outspoken detransitioners I see in public is that they still hold warped gender cult beliefs and have no sense of accoutnability... and I completely understand why they still do act and believe in such way, it's hard to truly disengage yourself from the gender identity mindset when we're bombarded by it everyday.

I completely agree with you on this. Most are not fully rejecting it and have some form of after math. They do not acknowledge the way it made them act or the things they did to themself and how it hurt them. Trying to do that is hard I get it. Fully admitting you were retarded and did something that screwed up your life is HARD. Even more so now that it is every where. You spend all that time in it. You decide to get out. Yet its still there.

But I had my legal name changed into something more common for the opposite sex. I still use that name, I don't like my old name anyway.

Didn’t change my legal name but in a similar boat. Downside it is a stereotype name so it’s embarrassing. A very obvious piece I can get rid of. Called a nickname 99% of the time with friends and family anyhow.

 

[MCRonald]

Questions for detrans:
- Was your detransition/desistance based on your own research and self-discovery, or were you nudged by other people?
- Did the general trans culture do anything to "peak" you into detransitioning?
- What was your biggest medical transition-related regret (hormones, surgery, binding etc)? Any social transition regrets (pronouns, identity, public presence as a trans person)?
- While making the decision to detrans, what were the reasons you considered to potentially continue your transition?

1. Self-discovery I suppose, I was sick and stuck in bed, away from the internet outside of watching movies. I just laid there thinking about it all, my future, how much I hated the process of transitioning.
I also noticed how I was relating to the guys in the movie, and I realised, I was a lot more like them. I realised that all the effort I put into looking better physically for my Transition (Exercise) helped me look like them too. And that was when I realised the root of all of it, it was my Physical Insecurity, Body Dysmorphia. I later got diagnosed with it instead of Dysphoria, I just wish they did it sooner.

2. Honestly it was the Pendulum swinging from being Trans. Right as I detrans and realised what happened, I instantly hated Trannies and was disgusted by them all, going down the rabbit hole actually lead to me ending up here. From then on it was just hindsight, what gets me is how close they got to diagnosing me right (Dysmorphia) but then they got it wrong (Dysphoria). I wish one of them just asked if I was happy in my body with all tht fat

3. Let's just say that someone I loved who supported me, died. And he died knowing that I was Trans. I wish I could have told him the truth. It still haunts me to this day honestly. 3am can't sleep level bullshit.

4. Never did, like I said Pendulum swung, it was fairly instant. The sooner off that train the better.

Yeah i see what you mean.One thing about progressives is that they're stubborn in their beliefs and can never admit when they're wrong because they have the belief that they're always on the "right side of history".With trans they truly believe that even if the majority dont support "trans rights" now that the younger generation(who are obsessed with gender)will increase trans acceptance and the "bigots" will die off.

Oh i don't think they'll go away.There will always be trans believers who think sex changes will one day be possible, but i think they'll just be seen as a tiny minority of weirdos like they used to be seen as.There is one question i forgot to ask.I'm sure you and other detrans people here have constantly herd the brain argument from many trans people.Did you or any detrans person here ever believed you had the brain of the gender you identified as?Despite it being their number 1 argument, i never herd of any gender doctors who actually gives MRI brain scans to prove their patients problems were because they were trans.As such, i'm assuming when you went to the doctors you never got a MRI brain scan that would prove your problems were because you were a "woman trapped inside a man's body."If so, did it at any point make you question the entire idea of transgenderism?

I did believe it, I mean it made sense to me. Fundamentally a lot of the "Born in the wrong body" made sense to me.
But that was before I found out there is more to being a Man/Woman than just Brains and appearance.

I hate to say "um aktually there are two kinds," but y'know.

There are people who fell for the gender experience, but grew up/took a moment to think and worked on the underlying causes, the situations in their lives that left them susceptible.

There are also people who turn 180 on a dime, loudly demanding HRT and titchop now now now oh OK cool now I need implants and laser and asspats now now now subscribe to my vlog to stay up-to-the-minute on my pronouns and how to center yourself on me. The melody doesn't change, just the lyrics.

Unfortunately, it seems like it's the latter who are more willing to get into Twitter arguments and, to a lesser extent, testify in front of subcommittees.

I think that ultimately the more helpful stories are going to come from gender atheists, not born-again gendies who reverted to their original faith with the same zeal.

No you're 100% right.
I've been reading the Detran thread for years and I swear the majority of them are batshit insane, on par with Trannies.
It's insulting, honestly it's insulting, they replace one label with another and expect pity points.
I don't blame people here for being critical of Detrans people, I would be too, hell for a while there I thought I was the only sane one cause I never fucking talk about my experience.
But I did start to notice there were some like me, just screwed over by the world and left to pick up the pieces with no help, no love, only hate and despise.

As others have said here, they still maintain the Gender Ideology, they don't realise what caused them all that pain and suffering was the Trannies, the transition, all of it.
The only way they can ever fix their problems is if they admit they were taken advantaged of, only then will they be able to look deeper into themselves and find the true root of their depression, their anger, their sadness.
But they wont, cause it means admitting that somewhere somehow, something went wrong in the process of Trans people getting "rights".
And Trannies are never wrong, they can't be wrong in any situation whatsoever.

Some Detrans people, actually Detrans, wake up and realise what happened.
The other Detrans, they detransition sure, but mentally they're still Trannies.

 

[Aunt Carol]

The only way they can ever fix their problems is if they admit they were taken advantaged of, only then will they be able to look deeper into themselves and find the true root of their depression, their anger, their sadness.
But they wont, cause it means admitting that somewhere somehow, something went wrong in the process of Trans people getting "rights".
And Trannies are never wrong, they can't be wrong in any situation whatsoever.

This is a big part of it, the way the trans movement (and its supporters) are structured. People say it in terms of "admitting" you're not trans, not "realizing" you're not trans. It's shameful to the community, like a priest declaring he doesn't think he has a vocation after all, or the parents' pride and joy dropping out of med school.

When someone has been "trans" for a while, especially if they got caught up in a trend and cut off friends and family in a fit of self-righteousness, other trans people and affirmers might be their only community left. Detransitioning is hugely stressful in that environment. Every personal revelation, every musing about what you were really feealing has to be couched in "of course that's just in my case." Can't hurt the cause. Probably all those 13-year-olds are really trans!

That's a hell of a lot of burden to put on someone who's already reeling and trying to rediscover their identity. Easy to end up in a detransitioner community that works exactly the same, just with slight rebranding. There are ex-Scientologists who broke away from the cult but still use "the tech," auditing each other with bootleg E-meters.

I guess I wouldn't say that I'm suspicious of any given detransitioner. They're not a traitor or a saboteur. I just see people going down the same road that led them to trans without much time or space for reflection. When someone jumps to posting their list of surgeries that they need to "undo" their transition--well, that's all things that they want someone else to do, to fix what they had someone else do to them in the first place. Having your sad bearded lady photo used for an article--with immaculate blue hair--is the same kind of validation as being the brave trans kid at your high school.

A lot of them just still have the troon vibe. I don't know a better way to put it. It's like when your teenage cousin from an active Christian family announces she's a Wiccan; what'll it be next week?

 

[Baraadmirer]

A lot of them just still have the troon vibe. I don't know a better way to put it. It's like when your teenage cousin from an active Christian family announces she's a Wiccan; what'll it be next week?

A few users here have observed this. It's kind of like people who hop on recent popular social trends; they're falling into the same behaviours, only this time it's under a different veneer. It's not addressing the fundamental problem, whether that's some type of cluster-B disorder, a weak sense of self-integrity, or something else that makes them feel like they're missing something in their lives.