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Zellogi said:
Honestly I just think the concept of a Garfield ‘Movie’ isn’t really something that could work properly. Garfield is too one dimensional and simple to really carry a whole epic movie about him, even with the vast amount of characters added. There’s little substance to a lazy and lasagna addicted cat. It may be great for a strip a show even games but a movie doesn't really fit Garfield’s scope as a character I feel.
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Even if there is a storyline in the strips, it was probably just covered from Monday through Saturday. I had complication books of Garfield strips when I was younger and ones that were basically small stories popped up here and there. The Halloween and Christmas specials done by the animated show worked better than a feature film.
 
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starborn427614 said:
Klaus is one I like to go back to and it's especially apt now since we're close to December. You can find it on Netflix. "Mature" is probably an over-exaggeration, but I like the way it promotes hard work as a way to grow as a person.
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I feel like it doesn't get enough praise just for the animation and techniques. It's still one of the most impressive blends of 2D and 3D I've seen and the fact that it has this painted storybook look with a dyanmic lighting and shading is amazing.

If nothing else I wish we could see more 2D animation in this style. Im so tired of cgi movies emphasizing realistic skin and hair textures.
 
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almost a month late afaik and this might be more suited to web animation but another reanimated Collab was in my recommended tis a remake of the Billy and Mandy musical episode little rock of horrors.

surprisingly Voltaire the guy who made the original song left a comment on the video.
 
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Zellogi said:
Honestly I just think the concept of a Garfield ‘Movie’ isn’t really something that could work properly. Garfield is too one dimensional and simple to really carry a whole epic movie about him, even with the vast amount of characters added. There’s little substance to a lazy and lasagna addicted cat. It may be great for a strip a show even games but a movie doesn't really fit Garfield’s scope as a character I feel.
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eeeeeeh...well yeah, but... also Garfield has a strong meme status now and piles of shitpost and trashy memes, even zoomers are into so I expect mid-high audience for the movie, at least the first week
 
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Niggerphobe said:
Wait ist garfield owned by paramount
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My mistake, Sony is distributing it internationally.
EDIT: Columbia Pictures is the producer of Garfield, which is a member of the Sony Pictures Motion Picture Group, eh so close enough.
 
Somerandoontheweb said:
I have zero feelings for this movie if it isn't "Dissapointed but not surprised". If anything, this movie perfectly encapsulate Disney in it's current state. It's the culmination of countless of creatively bankrupt cash-grab that have made its reputation for the past decade. Let it be forgotten has the insipid fairy tale that will hopefully accelerate Disney's downfall into our collective pop culture.
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I expect the same, i´m so fucking done with Disney

Also, supposedly this shit of a movie was a hybrid between 2D and 3D, and it just looks like a bad render or an AI short of youtube, this looks pathetic honestly

BTW, what country is supposed to be based that kingdom? It´s like a medieval rip-off of the little town of Encanto?
 
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NoonmanR said:
Why did they give Garfield the Sonic the Hedgehog uni-eye, and how does the animation keep degrading even after being bought out by Nickelodeon.
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His eyes are bunched together with one usually overlapping another. In 2D, they draw a dividing line to make them individual, but 3D models such as the Garfield show don’t have the means and you can only tell by a vague grey. It isn’t that weird of a change.

TVB said:
It's been said time and time again, but it still reigns true that adult animation from both 90s and 2000s are the still better than any adult animation from 2010s onward. Sure, neither 90s and 2000s were perfect when it comes to animation (including adult animation), but there were so much gems that didn't need to be the same template bullshit.
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It was better, but you can tell it was a downward trajectory. It feels bad to say, but the Simpsons were very much the beginning and peak. Besides King of The Hill and South Park, there was a lack of any real competitor that brought variety. Not helping was that most series were clearly catering to teenagers and had writing more juvenile than kids series at the time.

Simpsons and King of The Hill were both series with maturity for an adult audience, but after them it gets hard to make a good list. I guess one can say Futurama, Daria, Beavis & Butthead, Archer, and a few Adult Swim programs, with South Park and American Dad bordering. The grand majority were just profanity to be edgy. It got worse as the 2000s went on with the Family Guy template and “more offensive than South Park” being the dominant styles
 
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Basic Blond Boy said:
It was better, but you can tell it was a downward trajectory. It feels bad to say, but the Simpsons were very much the beginning and peak. Besides King of The Hill and South Park, there was a lack of any real competitor that brought variety. Not helping was that most series were clearly catering to teenagers and had writing more juvenile than kids series at the time.

Simpsons and King of The Hill were both series with maturity for an adult audience, but after them it gets hard to make a good list. I guess one can say Futurama, Daria, Beavis & Butthead, Archer, and a few Adult Swim programs, with South Park and American Dad bordering. The grand majority were just profanity to be edgy. It got worse as the 2000s went on with the Family Guy template and “more offensive than South Park” being the dominant styles
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What was cool about the 90s was that there was just a bunch of lower budgeted cartoons that just could be their own thing. Networks weren't producing cartoons because "THIS IS GONNA BE OUR NEXT BILLION DOLLAR BRAND", it was more like "We gotta fit something into this 9 PM Slot, let's just make a cartoon and hopefully it'll catch a small audience."

Like no one imagined The Simpsons was going to be a Billion Dollar Creation. Matt Groening in the DVD extras talked about how James L Brooks wanted to produce Life in Hell shorts for the Tracy Ullman Show but Groening panicked realizing he'd likely lose the rights to his underground comic, so he doodled The Simpsons family (styled and named after his family). Even when the spinoff was created being cancelled was expected. Fox was struggling they only had decent success with Married with Children and Tracy Ullman was loved by critics, every other show they premiered was quickly cancelled.

Then cable really expanded and they were doing the same thing as Fox. Comedy Central had Dr. Katz, a low budget show which was more like an audio sitcom. Just talking characters and mostly closeups of them moving their mouths, very low budget but it was kinda fun in a somewhat boring comfy way because they were recorded as if they were natural conversations rather than sitcoms with strong punchlines. King of the Hill had that style too at least in its earlier seasons. They were all coming off the vein of The Simpsons, a sort of irony that the flat 2D cartoon characters were more realistic than your live action sitcom.

The last show that felt anything like 90s cartooning was Bob's Burgers, which was created by a guy who worked on Dr. Katz (also did Home Movies). It was just about a guy and his family running a greasy spoon diner.

What I hate is that so many new cartoons are either made by established creators who just want more money or the absolute worst product some dumpy cartoon "created" by a Hollywood star who has no idea what they hell they're creating. Like giving Mindy Kaling a Scooby Doo vehicle or Jonah Hill's horrid "Allen Gregory." The shitty cartoons always have lousy overcomplicated plotting and awful artwork. I believe the real stinkers in Adult Animation are just greenlit for a full season. What they should always do is have the creators make a short to see if they have potential. The Simpsons started as 30 second bumpers, South Park had "The Spirit of Christmas", King of the Hill had a B&W trailer that explained the family.
If they all followed that I'm certain all cartoons would fail due to poor ratings rather than being unwatchable.
 
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Homer J. Fong said:
What they should always do is have the creators make a short to see if they have potential. The Simpsons started as 30 second bumpers, South Park had "The Spirit of Christmas", King of the Hill had a B&W trailer that explained the family.
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Don't forget Seth MacFarlane's big break with his Larry & Steve shorts, which became the basis of Family Guy
 
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Homer J. Fong said:
the absolute worst product some dumpy cartoon "created" by a Hollywood star who has no idea what they hell they're creating. Like giving Mindy Kaling a Scooby Doo vehicle or Jonah Hill's horrid "Allen Gregory." The shitty cartoons always have lousy overcomplicated plotting and awful artwork.
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The one adult cartoon of this vein that I would exempt would be Mike Tyson Mysteries. The dude surprisingly nailed old-school Adult Swim humor in a post-R&M Adult Swim, while somewhat paying respect to Hanna Barbera’s history of celeb cartoons. Helps that Norm McDonald carried a good chunk of the show.

Homer J. Fong said:
What was cool about the 90s was that there was just a bunch of lower budgeted cartoons that just could be their own thing. Networks weren't producing cartoons because "THIS IS GONNA BE OUR NEXT BILLION DOLLAR BRAND", it was more like "We gotta fit something into this 9 PM Slot, let's just make a cartoon and hopefully it'll catch a small audience."
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The problem now is that most of the channels that greenlit adult animation are dead at this point or slowly moving towards it.

MTV was very good about having a wide variety, but lost its relevance as music videos were no longer big and they kept heading towards trashy tv. Beavis & Butthead went from a staple to something completely foreign in its initial return.

WB did a lot with animation, but their CW/WB Kids brands got absorbed into Cartoon Network. Beyond that, WB always struggled to promote their content and behind the scenes always seemed terrible.

Fox and Comedy Central both suffer from early success and cannot move past their initial big boy, The Simpsons or South Park. The channels are filled with attempts to recapture the magic. Fox got complacent with the same rotation of 3-4 shows and Comedy Central just has South Park.

This just leaves Adult Swim, which did a 180 after Rick & Morty to slowly cater to Oscar-bait crowd alongside Netflix. The weirdness got sidelined for shows that are “deep”.
 
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Basic Blond Boy said:
Fox and Comedy Central both suffer from early success and cannot move past their initial big boy, The Simpsons or South Park. The channels are filled with attempts to recapture the magic. Fox got complacent with the same rotation of 3-4 shows and Comedy Central just has South Park.
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Only Family Guy and Bob's Burgers managed to be successful and still running (with the former being screwed over in its early years to the point where it got cancelled twice until Adult Swim aired it for free and even Fox releasing it on DVD, urging it to reair for new episodes) in Fox's own Animation Domination block. King of the Hill, Futurama, American Dad and The Cleveland Show were successful on Fox, but were screwed over unfavorably by the network. Futurama ended up airing newer episodes on Comedy Central and this year on Hulu, American Dad ended up moving to TBS (and sometimes Hulu) for new episodes and King of the Hill is set to air new episodes next year on Hulu.

Comedy Central is the worst when it comes to its animation lineup. South Park made Comedy Central, but the network has been finding difficulty to have an adult animated series that's as successful. Drawn Together, Ugly Americans and Brickleberry were successful shows, but were never on the same snuff as South Park.

MTV had Beavis & Butthead and Aeon Flux, which both gave life to other adult animated shows throughout the 90s and 2000s, but aside from Daria, none of the other shows were successful.

Adult Swim throughout the 2000s had Aqua Teen, Venture Bros. and even the more popular Robot Chicken, the latter being the most successful for Adult Swim until Rick & Morty came out
 
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TVB said:
Only Family Guy and Bob's Burgers managed to be successful and still running (with the former being screwed over in its early years to the point where it got cancelled twice until Adult Swim aired it for free and even Fox releasing it on DVD, urging it to reair for new episodes) in Fox's own Animation Domination block.
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If we count FX, then Archer can be included on the list as well.
 
BiggestKai said:
Unsure if youtube animations count, but the boys behind Warhammer's The Exodite have released the first part of their original IP animation - Morningstar: The Hunt
It's not Astartes but I enjoyed it.
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Huh, this is pretty good
 
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It's been...25 years and i can still remember that thanksgiving weekend....it was sometime after my grandmother passed when i learned what death is. My family saw I was still sad about losing her so they took me to the theater in the mall..it was an odeon theater. Back when they were still around. I still can hear the squeaking of shoes on then decade old titles, see the neons left over from the 80s glowing around the mall, smell the rich butter and fresh popcorn. It was the dream of a generation..but the dream ended a long time ago and now it's time to wake up.
 
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