2023 Israel-Palestine Armed Conflict

[Scrumption]

I wonder if anyone here defending the Israeli government knows that it was they themselves who put Hamas in power in the first place, all to keep the conflict going.

This has already been brought up. See below:

Israel left Gaza in 2005, they're not an occupying force since then. Hamas being in power was not supported by the Israeli govt, they won against fatah and took control of Gaza. The current and past Israeli governments thought that if they improved Gaza economically, Hamas would see reason which is why they were trying to funnel money to gaza. They didn't understand jihadis are singleminded and only care about jihad.

Do you know what's also basic Geneva Convention shit? Not carrying out collective punishment on a civilian populace.

What are you calling collective punishment?

 

[NOT Satoshi Nakamoto]

I agree. Hamas deserves destruction, and so too do the terrorists who created them.

I wonder if anyone here defending the Israeli government knows that it was they themselves who put Hamas in power in the first place, all to keep the conflict going. It's difficult to justify expelling a population whose government seeks a peaceful solution with you, not so much when you replace said government with an "opposition" of your choice that the civilian population can do nothing against while serving as a wide brush to redefine the word "terrorist" to include everyone you want dead.

The Israeli government is a gang of Bolsheviks masquerading as a democratic state, fleecing the American taxpayer because they can't survive on their own. They hate Christians similarly to how Hamas hates the liberals supporting them, and they fuel the migrant crisis. Is it any wonder why Knesset members are calling for the West to take in Gazans?
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So they can bomb as many people as possible while preventing aid from getting in. Just like they did at the Rafa border crossing. Can't fault them for it, it's far more efficient that way.
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Do you know what's also basic Geneva Convention shit? Not carrying out collective punishment on a civilian populace.
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It's incredible that Jews can fight a life and death holy war against a hoard of inbred retard monsters but still can't go one day without making me hate them.

It should be obvious that replacing their allies with their enemies is going to leave them completely surrounded and friendless. Do they really believe their own bullshit that Palistinians will just switch off a century of evolving to hate Jews if you put them in Europe?

 

[FILTH Tourist]

Do you know what's also basic Geneva Convention shit? Not carrying out collective punishment on a civilian populace.
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Preventing goods that can be used by the opposing army from entering a city that you are besieging is pretty standard, I doubt international courts would care, especially when the IDF is bringing in their own stuff to help the locals (at least from IDF propaganda pics). Rules for bombing and air striking are a little more fast and loose (especially for groups like Hamas that mingle their military and civilian buildings), so their airstrikes wouldn't land them in trouble unless they are going out of their way to strike crowds of civilians. That collective punishment rule was written because armies would sometimes execute all the men in a village because a nearby bridge or railway was sabotaged, or killing everyone in a village because there could be militants among them.

 

[EyeGuy]

Two more IDF losses. 65 total:

Arab sources are reporting that Israel has surrounded the Indonesian Hospital and that fighting is ongoing there:

This seems to be the area filmed:

 

[Omnium Ultimatus]

Preventing goods that can be used by the opposing army from entering a city that you are besieging is pretty standard, I doubt international courts would care,

It also prevents the civilian populace from using them, which in turn makes them hate the ones doing it and empowers the 'opposing army' even more, similar to what sanctions amount to. Besides, armed groups have their own resources, and they can manage them efficiently. 'Starving them out' is not a viable strategy. You are severely overestimating the amount of resources such a group needs in order to function.

especially when the IDF is bringing in their own stuff to help the locals (at least from IDF propaganda pics).

No conflict of interest there, and Hamas' propaganda isn't exempt either. I take propaganda with a massive grain of salt because more often than not, it omits key facts that change the viewer's perception of an event, usually to the detriment of the propagandists.

Rules for bombing and air striking are a little more fast and loose (especially for groups like Hamas that mingle their military and civilian buildings), so their airstrikes wouldn't land them in trouble unless they are going out of their way to strike crowds of civilians.

Yet they continue to strike crowds of civilians regardless.

That collective punishment rule was written because armies would sometimes execute all the men in a village because a nearby bridge or railway was sabotaged, or killing everyone in a village because there could be militants among them.

Huh, would you look at that? Sounds exactly like what the IDF does, and continues to do with impunity.
I guess every time the IDF attacks civilians, it's either a big oopsie or justified since they thought (burden of proof notwithstanding) that at least one Hamas member was among the crowd.

 

[quaawaa]

A major reason why Israel is held to a high standard is because they constantly bring up the Holocaust as history’s greatest evil. If Israel wants special treatment because Jews were “collectively punished” by the Nazis nearly a century ago, then they shouldn’t be surprised that people are reluctant to support them or are hostile towards them when they adopt similar tactics as the Germans.

There’s a reason why the Holocaust was called the “Final Solution” and not just the “Solution”. Gassing the Jews was the final action taken by the Nazis to get rid of the Jews in Germany: earlier “solutions” included deporting them (ironically to Israel) and forcing them into ghettos.

The average Palestine supporter is too dumb and doesn’t know enough history to articulate this, but they see Gaza as equivalent to Warsaw. The calls for mass deportations and nuclear bombings from people in the Israeli government don’t exactly help to convince them that Israel is not a “fascist”/Nazi state.

Israel has to choose between fighting total war and guilt tripping the West about the Holocaust. They can’t do both.

 

[JustSomeDong]

Israel has to choose between fighting total war and guilt tripping the West about the Holocaust. They can’t do both.

Bibi be all like "Hold my latke."

 

[AltisticRight]

Oy vey, someone is naming them and their shitty media coverage.

I actually agree with his sentiment but as I've previously stated, I could care fucking less because you bet Labor supporters will ask for a Liberal politician to disavow his children if they attended a White nationalism rally.
Something something horseshoe.
Too much for us, we lost to emus in our last war.

 

[EyeGuy]

An Israeli lieutenant colonel and former special forces commander has been removed from his position at a training facility after abandoning his post to participate in the fighting in Gaza, against the direct orders of his superiors. After two weeks in Gaza, the commander of the unit he was with (Sayeret Givati) ordered him to return to Israel. He has been transferred to a temporary staff position.
https://www.israelhayom.co.il/military-life/article/14842258

Hezbollah missile attack on the IDF's Biranit post:

Spoiler: Videos

The IDF says there are no wounded, although there is a fire ongoing. Looks like they got some warehouses:

Spoiler: Videos

Israeli Stonetoss parody:

R: "Brigadier General Hagari! We're losing in hasbara. What do we do?"
M: "Shifa Hospital"
L: "Sex Change Medical Center"

Speaking of trannies, this is some Yaniv-level physiognomy:

 

[The Demon Pimp of Razgriz]

A major reason why Israel is held to a high standard is because they constantly bring up the Holocaust as history’s greatest evil. If Israel wants special treatment because Jews were “collectively punished” by the Nazis nearly a century ago, then they shouldn’t be surprised that people are reluctant to support them or are hostile towards them when they adopt similar tactics as the Germans.

There’s a reason why the Holocaust was called the “Final Solution” and not just the “Solution”. Gassing the Jews was the final action taken by the Nazis to get rid of the Jews in Germany: earlier “solutions” included deporting them (ironically to Israel) and forcing them into ghettos.

The average Palestine supporter is too dumb and doesn’t know enough history to articulate this, but they see Gaza as equivalent to Warsaw. The calls for mass deportations and nuclear bombings from people in the Israeli government don’t exactly help to convince them that Israel is not a “fascist”/Nazi state.

Israel has to choose between fighting total war and guilt tripping the West about the Holocaust. They can’t do both.

Huh, would you look at that? Sounds exactly like what the IDF does, and continues to do with impunity.
I guess every time the IDF attacks civilians, it's either a big oopsie or justified since they thought (burden of proof notwithstanding) that at least one Hamas member was among the crowd.

There is a difference between fighting a war, and actively committing genocide moron. When you fight a war, civilians die. Every person who isn't a complete brainlet or pie-in-the-sky liberal understands this. Israel has gone above an beyond to avoid civilian casualties. Hamas has done everything in their power to ensure them. You want to bitch about something, bitch about fucking Hamas. Otherwise, fuck off with this pearl clutching bullshit.

 

[behindyourightnow]

That collective punishment rule was written because armies would sometimes execute all the men in a village because a nearby bridge or railway was sabotaged, or killing everyone in a village because there could be militants among them.

This conflict has been full of retards coming across words and phrases like "proportionality" and "collective punishment" and inventing their own definitions for them, without seeking out any further information or context. Ultimately they conclude that if any civilian dies in a war, the nation responsible must be committing a war crime.

Apparently every nation on earth that has ever been in a war has committed nothing but endless war crimes up until now, and nobody ever noticed until a retard watched a TikTok about it this year. I guess the International Criminal Court will be busy catching up now!

 

[EyeGuy]

Nahal Brigade soldiers at the "Palace of Justice" (Hamas Supreme Court/Justice Ministry building) near A-Zahraa, south of Gaza City:


Dancing Israelis:

 

[AltisticRight]

The 60 Gazan journalists killed by Israel so far:

These kikes sure are nasty, slaughtering journalists, what a horrific act. The main problem with this is that we're still only at 2 digits.
More.
Thanks.

 

[Catch The Rainbow]

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So the Israeli preference is to just let the hostages bleed out from wounds? Makes sense why they decided to just gun down so many of their own citizens rather than just surround the buildings they were in and wait out or negotiate the surrender of the Hamas fighters. I know the Israeli media operatives are stupid, but this current "Omg they brought a hostage to the hospital" line of thinking where its alluded that the hospital is somehow in on the scheme rather than dealing with it like any other medical emergency they encounter takes the cake.

Theres tons of hospitals in Gaza, going to shifa from the Israeli Gaza border requires skipping past 5 other hospitals.



Unless the hostage was injured near shifa and then the question is raised, what was the hostage doing there?

 

[KingCoelacanth]

I agree. Hamas deserves destruction, and so too do the terrorists who created them.

I wonder if anyone here defending the Israeli government knows that it was they themselves who put Hamas in power in the first place, all to keep the conflict going. It's difficult to justify expelling a population whose government seeks a peaceful solution with you, not so much when you replace said government with an "opposition" of your choice that the civilian population can do nothing against while serving as a wide brush to redefine the word "terrorist" to include everyone you want dead.

The Israeli government is a gang of Bolsheviks masquerading as a democratic state, fleecing the American taxpayer because they can't survive on their own. They hate Christians similarly to how Hamas hates the liberals supporting them, and they fuel the migrant crisis. Is it any wonder why Knesset members are calling for the West to take in Gazans?

Hamas is trying everything they can to keep palestinians in Gaza, whereas Israel wants them moving into your neighborhood. If a Hamas victory is Muslims staying in a country I'll never visit and an Israeli victory is a flood of 2 million migrants, then I see no reason to not support Hamas.

 

[Scrumption]

Carpet bombing cities is a great strategy, but since the US was banned from doing that in Iraq and Afghanistan in order to protect civilian lives at the expense of American soldiers, the average American no longer sees indiscriminate bombing as justified. A lot of people remember the dumbass rules of engagement that American soldiers were forced to follow thanks to the efforts of NGOs and don’t understand why the IDF gets to play by different rules.

If Israel were carpet bombing Gaza, the war would have ended weeks ago. You must be working off of some facts the rest of us don’t have if you think Gaza is getting indiscriminately bombed. Though I don’t disagree with the rest of what you said.

 

[FedPostalService]

Why does everyone become humanitarians and experts on international law as well as the Geneva Conventions when Israel is involved in a conflict and never really mentions any other conflict? Unless there’s an 800+ thread about the Sudanese civil war and people sperging about the horrors being committed there I’m missing?

 

[JustSomeDong]

Carpet bombing cities is a great strategy, but since the US was banned from doing that in Iraq and Afghanistan in order to protect civilian lives at the expense of American soldiers, the average American no longer sees indiscriminate bombing as justified. A lot of people remember the dumbass rules of engagement that American soldiers were forced to follow thanks to the efforts of NGOs and don’t understand why the IDF gets to play by different rules.

I think you overestimate the US military desire to carpetbomb everything. I'm no expert, just a bookworm, but from what I've read, its simply not what you say. Indeed, they deem it horribly wasteful. What I'm saying is, If they'd had gps and laser guided smart bombs in WW2, shit would have been much tidier, Curtis LeMay be damned. Its much more efficient to place a precise strike than just dump bombs and hope they land within a mile of the target, which they often didn't. Then they have to do BDA, risking more assets, and revisit a target, sometimes several times. One 500lb GBU-12 dead on target is ultimately better than 8000lbs of dumb bombs that fall where they fall.

 

[Solid Hyrax]

Footage from Oct. 7: People running away from and some can be viewed on camera killed, a woman executed while sitting down

Spoiler: Death

close up:

 

[EyeGuy]

Houthi footage of the hijacking of the Galaxy Leader: