Did The 90s Suck? - And if so, why?

[Judge Dredd]

By sometime after the '00s, WP was going "dubstep" and "Millennial whoop"

What's strange to me is that sometime around 2010, after dubstep run it's course, mainstream music just seemed to stop progressing. New genres come and go on the internet. I'm a big fan of retrowave and vaporwave, and was big into chip tunes back then. But the mainstream radio stations seem time locked in the age of RnB/hip-hop/rap/whatever. This leads to a weird disconnect where if I were to play the "top 40" songs, I wouldn't recognize any of them.

Once in a blue moon, I'll do a double take when I hear a TV ad play an internet famous song. Partly because it isn't the same generic corporate music, and partly because it's so out of place to hear Carpenter Brut over an ad for soap or car insurance or something.

often commercial goyslop like Jurassic Park and Prince of Bel Air. At least you mentioned Heat which is a real movie that deals with serious issues, like male alienation.

Films like Heat and Ronin are great, but "goyslop" films were pretty good at the time. While it's often mocked these days, I can enjoy a bit of Independence Day, Demolition Man, Men in Black, or Jurassic Park. They were good fun and hold up I think.

You mention Forrest Gump, and it's something I didn't get into in the OP, but has been mentioned by others. The fact that you have big budget, studio backed and promoted dramas, romance films, anything really. Most wouldn't be made today. Titanic, one of the most successful films ever made, is basically a love story with a budget.

You are right about this being a very US (and UK) centric perspective.

 

[The Hardest R]

The 90s was the peak of the west. The general mood was optimism. The first wave of political correctness was eye rolling but you could at least make fun of it without losing your livelihood. The Internet was this newfangled thing that people were unsure about but you could tell we were on the cusp of a major change. Pop culture kind of sucked compared to the 80s because Generation X didn’t know what the fuck they wanted.

The 90s died with 9/11. Everything became much shittier and cynical afterwards. It’s jarring to watch or read about things from the 90s because it’s not irony poisoned or how you could actually see white people not be portrayed as stupid or evil. Having said all that, the push to make gays normal was starting to hit but in hindsight nobody knew the slippery slope it would lead to. Overall the 90s were pretty good. It’s not perfect and never was going to be but beats what came after it, though.

Edit: this is a US-centric perspective but Pax Americana was at its peak here too. The fall of the USSR provided a temporary consensus that Francis Fukuyama’s End of History model was correct. In hindsight it wasn’t but at the time it was hard to argue otherwise, everything else seemed like sour grapes and sore losers.

 

[AgendaPoster]

Films like Heat and Ronin are great, but "goyslop" films were pretty good at the time. While it's often mocked these days, I can enjoy a bit of Independence Day, Demolition Man, Men in Black, or Jurassic Park. They were good fun and hold up I think.

You mention Forrest Gump, and it's something I didn't get into in the OP, but has been mentioned by others. The fact that you have big budget, studio backed and promoted dramas, romance films, anything really. Most wouldn't be made today. Titanic, one of the most successful films ever made, is basically a love story with a budget.

You are right about this being a very US (and UK) centric perspective.

Generally films with light subject matter, like action movies, are not often making it into "best of" assessments even if a bit of cheesy patriotism and alien smashing can be entertaining.
Forgot to mention Trainspotting, which is widely misjudged IMO.
A lot of these movies were quite subversive and sneaky, with rather obviously intended social commentary which was... not that friendly towards the West or traditional America.
For example, in often ignored Pleasantville, the main character is offered an apple in a recreation of the Biblical scene. Not seen in the clip below, but there will be some storm too after this as "God gets pissed" basically. But in almost all these movies, liberation from any constraints was presented as amazing, even as it often leads to disastrous consequences.

 

[ToroidalBoat]

But the mainstream radio stations seem time locked in the age of RnB/hip-hop/rap/whatever.

What if that's because Clown World wants "an endless present in which the Party is the SJWs are always right"?

The 90s died with 9/11. Everything became much shittier and cynical afterwards.

9/11 really does feel like some demonic ritual which summoned Clown World.

It's not a total hell now, but it's undeniable that the world got crazier.

 

[DoomsdayElite]

The 20th century wasn't perfect, but not nearly as pozzed and unbearable as the 21st.

 

[ToroidalBoat]

The 20th century wasn't perfect, but not nearly as pozzed and unbearable as the 21st.

Wasn't Weimar Germany kind of messed up?

Also the 20th century had WW1, commie hell, the Great Depression, WW2, more commie hell, and other crap. Although this century is only beginning, so who knows if it'll be better or worse. But the 20th century didn't have "social media" and "smartphone zombies".

 

[DoomsdayElite]

Wasn't Weimar Germany kind of messed up?

Also the 20th century had WW1, commie hell, the Great Depression, WW2, more commie hell, and other crap. Although this century is only beginning, so who knows if it'll be better or worse. But the 20th century didn't have "social media" and "smartphone zombies".

I should have been more specific. The end of the 20th wasn't so bad.

 

[ToroidalBoat]

The end of the 20th wasn't so bad.

The end of the 20th century could've been the peak of the history of civilization in this world.

 

[Smaug's Smokey Hole 2]

name me one thing that can cohesively define the 2000's

Here you go, the definition of the 2000's.

look at it, even the picture of that ugly car is shitty and ugly. Very 2000's. edit: I hate that car

 

[Spicey McHaggis]

Here you go, the definition of the 2000's.
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Ahh, like so many things from the 2000s, it seemed really cool for a year or so, then kept lingering for years after any novelty wore off.

 

[Smaug's Smokey Hole 2]

Ahh, like so many things from the 2000s, it seemed really cool for a year or so, then kept lingering for years after any novelty wore off.

It's as classy as a hog in high heels.

Also, in Europe
/../
trannies were relegated to mentally ill paraphiliacs

Who won Eurovision in 1998* and what was the response from the public? Who votes in Eurovision by the way? Viewers from the participating countries calls in and vote, hm...

*Spoiler alert for those that haven't finished it yet: An Israeli tranny won and the only ones that got upset was anti-israel lefties because this meant that the next Eurovision would be held in Israel. It was at this point I casually started following the developments of trannydom because something had changed, this wouldn't have happened in 1988 or 1994.

 

[AgendaPoster]

Who won Eurovision in 1998

That's Zionist Israeli tranny lmao.
Yeah, end of 90s already, but it was still a huge, huge exception. That's how you normalize things. Slowly and smartly.

 

[Otoya Yamaguchi]

Yes. No trannies, homos mostly kept their fetish to themselves, food had fat in it, less chemicals, no internet, no mainstream pornography, media was more of an artwork than just farming money and kids could go outside without having to worry about being raped or killed

 

[Otoya Yamaguchi]

That's Zionist Israeli tranny lmao.
Yeah, end of 90s already, but it was still a huge, huge exception. That's how you normalize things. Slowly and smartly.

Muslim. Not israeli

 

[Smaug's Smokey Hole 2]

That's Zionist Israeli tranny lmao.
Yeah, end of 90s already, but it was still a huge, huge exception. That's how you normalize things. Slowly and smartly.

It came from somewhere, it didn't happen overnight. It took years to get to that point in 1998. At the time it wasn't a problem, more of an interesting 'huh' moment for me, then shit went bad.

homos mostly kept their fetish to themselves ... and kids could go outside without having to worry about being raped or killed

I think there's less risk of kids getting molested on the playground these days now that awareness is so high, unlike back in the day. The computer/phone/ipad and internet at home (or mobile internet from any place a phone can connect to) is the real vector for pedophiles now.

 

[LinkinParkxNaruto[AMV]]

and kids could go outside without having to worry about being raped or killed

drugs were a major problem in the 90s and our parents had very good reasons to be concerned.

I know it wasn't just in latam , Western europe was doing great in the 90s and the economy was booming but the drug epidemic was hardcore.

 

[AgendaPoster]

Muslim. Not israeli

Why are you sperging again
Use Google

 

[Otoya Yamaguchi]

Why are you sperging again
Use Google
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Like I said. ISatanists. Star Of david right there, first post. Google is run by satanists.

Nothing is gonna get solved by blaming the wrong people. You out here yelling at jews why Muslims are doing child sacrifices and ritualistic rapes

 

[AgendaPoster]

ISatanists. Star Of david right there, first post.

Mr. Yamaguchi
For the sake of the Emperor and of the Rising Sun
I beg you

 

[SIGSEGV]

The only thing good about the 90s was that they led to the golden age that was the early 2000s. That's when human culture was at its peak.