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It’s a sad mark on humanity that the militia myth is still around. SCOTUS cases aside, the 2nd Amendment isn’t written unclearly.

2nd states as follows: “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”

Let’s break it down. “A well regulated Militia” is the start of a statement. “being necessary to the security of a free State” is a clarifying statement to statement one. “the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed” is continuation of the statement.

In other words, the amendment states that “A well regulated Militia, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.” It identifies two things (historically intertwined) that shall not be infringed, and clarifies why it extends that protection to the first thing.

This is clear reading using the basic English skills. Alternative reading, which requires looking into how militias were used historically, would state that because Militias are needed for survival of USA, the right of the people to bear arms will not be denied.

In neither one of the statements, or indeed any rational reading of the amendment, is Militia the qualifying conditional statement.

It's worth pointing out that two of the commas are probably a typo, as it's not in all versions that were ratified, and doesn't make (contemporary) grammatical sense.

"A well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed."

The first half is aping a Latin construction called the ablative absolute, acting as an explanation for the second half. My plain English interpretation is that it doesn't mandate anything to do with militias. (This may not be what SCOTUS has decided.)

 

[Useful_Mistake]

lf. My plain English interpretation is that it doesn't mandate anything to do with militias

That is indeed how it’s supposed to be read in English, which is why it is so frustrating that people somehow fail basic English.

(This may not be what SCOTUS has decided.)

In District of Columbia et al. v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008), SCOTUS found that the Second Amendment gave you a right to bear arms which was not connected or dependent upon your service in the militia. They also adopted the same reading of the amendment, rephrasing it (for clarity) as “Because a well regulated Militia is necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed”, noting that “The former does not limit the latter grammatically, but rather announces a purpose”

 

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And they were expected to bring their own weapons, the very weapons they'd be using if called up. That is to say, military weapons. That's another idiot argument they make.

Also, kind of autistic to notice but a trained shooter could get off 4 shots in a minute with a flintlock musket.

Militia as the Framers used it was, pursuant to the usage of the time, basically every able bodied man of military service age. That said, so far as I know, gun ownership by women was not prohibited, either.

The Danish royal guard was using kalthoff repeater flintlocks a few decades before the constitution was written, and there were some other early repeater designs going around, not to mention breechloaders that could be reloaded much faster than muzzleloaders, but it's true that self loading firearms had not been invented yet. By this redditor's logic, revolvers, lever and bolt action rifles and break barrel shotguns are still okay. And apparently flintlock pistols were never a thing? Retarded.

 

[AnOminous]

In District of Columbia et al. v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008), SCOTUS found that the Second Amendment gave you a right to bear arms which was not connected or dependent upon your service in the militia.

The "Militia" referenced is simply every able-bodied male eligible for military service. That said, the operative clause, which actually describes the set of rights protected by the Amendment, does not limit the right to bear arms to that group, but to "the people" generally.

As Eugene Volokh put it in an article cited by the Supreme Court in Heller:

The overinclusiveness of the operative clause is likewise evident from the text. The operative clause says the right to keep and bear arms belongs to "the people." Given that "the right of the people" is likewise used to describe the right to petition the government, the right to be free from unreasonable searches and seizures, and the rights to keep and bear arms recognized in various contemporaneous state constitutions -- all individual rights that belong to each person, not just to members of the militia -- "the people" seems to refer to people generally. 30 The justification clause, though, refers to the militia, which has always generally included pretty much all able-bodied men from age eighteen to forty-five 31 rather than all people. 32 People who aren't in the militia, such as men over forty-five, 33 or those few whose professions have generally exempted them from militia service -- such as ship pilots or post office employees 34 -- don't seem to further the purpose set forth in the justification clause, but their rights are still covered by the text of the operative clause.

Eugene Volokh, The Commonplace Second Amendment, 73 N. Y. U. L. Rev. 793, 814–821 (1998).

In short, the Militia clause does not address what are commonly called "militias" these days, nor does it limit the applicability of the operative clause to active-duty military personnel or even those eligible for military service.

(Also if that dumb emoji for 8) bothers you, use the left-bracket-plain tag around it to turn it back into normal non-retard text.)

 

[Useful_Mistake]

(Also if that dumb emoji for 8bothers you, use the left-bracket-plain tag around it to turn it back into normal non-retard text.)

I had already fixed it by the time you wrote this, but thanks for trying to be helpful. I always forget about that emoji until I press “post reply” because I am a retard.

 

[AnOminous]

I had already fixed it by the time you wrote this, but thanks for trying to be helpful. I always forget about that emoji until I press “post reply” because I am a retard.

Lots of people do it who might like to know that. It's really common with legal shit though.

 

[Lord Denning]

I sincerely believe most redditors who post retarded takes about the second amendment are coping EUrangutans and Brits who have never even seen a firearm and are obsessed with American politics. I'm not surprised that they don't know anything about the wording of the second amendment and the historical firearms that existed at the time of the American Revolution.

 

[WelperHelper99]

Can I also mount a a broadside of cannons onto my pickup truck? To deal with Road Pirates (cops).

Think bigger.
>,buy fishing trawler
> mount a couple Anzio 20mm "rifle" (in 20×102mm or 20mm Vulcan, pic below)

>fight actual Somali pirates and Narco subs
>founders shed tears in heaven

I sincerely believe most redditors who post retarded takes about the second amendment are coping EUrangutans and Brits who have never even seen a firearm and are obsessed with American politics. I'm not surprised that they don't know anything about the wording of the second amendment and the historical firearms that existed at the time of the American Revolution.

The best thing to do with gun haters is take them shooting, make them realize it's fun. Brits are so cucked with regulation that they think it's dirty and a privilege, not the God given right it is

 

[Lobster Cult High Priest]

fight actual Somali pirates and Narco subs
>founders shed tears in heaven

Fight Somali pirates?? More like support the Houthi special forces with sinking Israeli cargo ships.

 

[DumbDude43]

It’s a sad mark on humanity that the militia myth is still around. SCOTUS cases aside, the 2nd Amendment isn’t written unclearly.

2nd states as follows: “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”

Let’s break it down. “A well regulated Militia” is the start of a statement. “being necessary to the security of a free State” is a clarifying statement to statement one. “the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed” is continuation of the statement.

In other words, the amendment states that “A well regulated Militia, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.” It identifies two things (historically intertwined) that shall not be infringed, and clarifies why it extends that protection to the first thing.

This is clear reading using the basic English skills. Alternative reading, which requires looking into how militias were used historically, would state that because Militias are needed for survival of USA, the right of the people to bear arms will not be denied.

In neither one of the statements, or indeed any rational reading of the amendment, is Militia the qualifying conditional statement.

theres also some piece of us legislation from hundreds of years ago that defines "militia" as consisting of 'the unorganized militia' and 'the organized militia' with the organized militia being the state national guard, and the unorganized militia being every free man aged 16 to 60 or something like that

 

[Useful_Mistake]

theres also some piece of us legislation from hundreds of years ago

The Militia Act of May 1792? There was also a new one in 1903 (Militia Act of 1903) which removed "white only" requirement from the 1792 version.

 

[ilovejews]

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how do I shot flintlock

And only people that existed back then were white men etc.
Fuck these retards would be getting verbally pounded into dust if they didn't have jannies to sweep it up.

 

[DumbDude43]

The Militia Act of May 1792? There was also a new one in 1903 (Militia Act of 1903) which removed "white only" requirement from the 1792 version.

dont know, just googled it again and found this

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/246

(a)
The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.
(b) The classes of the militia are—
(1)
the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
(2)
the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.

 

[Harbinger of Kali Yuga]

Of course reddit hates the 2nd amendment, most of these faggots are queers and antifa supporters that want the riot to "protest" (riot) violently and not meet any consequences. You should have seen how the website smeared Kyle Rittenhouse. Whole subreddits would ban you if you voiced support for him, which is a typical reddit thing. Honestly I hope we have a WW3 that is as bloody as WW1, for the good of mankind we need to cull this herd.

 

[Hard Toothbrush]

The best thing to do with gun haters is take them shooting, make them realize it's fun. Brits are so cucked with regulation that they think it's dirty and a privilege, not the God given right it is

I was never really a gun hater, but I was somewhat uneasy with the idea of holding and firing a gun. That all changed when I got a voucher for a firing range that allowed me to shoot some pistols and a TRG-42. It's really fun and I think I'll go again.
Unfortunately I live in a country in which gun laws are retarded even for the EU so owning one kinda goes out the window.

 

[LinkinParkxNaruto[AMV]]

most of these faggots are queers and antifa supporters

Reddit ideology is just a big pile of nothing because its always whatever ideas and behaviour banks and megacorporations find convenient to shill at the time, mostly cooming, disempowering themselves and consuming products. They don't actually believe in anything beyond current thing

 

[Harbinger of Kali Yuga]

Reddit ideology is just a big pile of nothing because its always whatever ideas and behaviour banks and megacorporations find convenient to shill at the time, mostly cooming, disempowering themselves and consuming products. They don't actually believe in anything beyond current thing

They believe in left-wing ideology. That's a constant.

 

[LinkinParkxNaruto[AMV]]

They believe in left-wing ideology. That's a constant.

more like lolberts that don't know it, unless you consider all forms of liberalism left wing. Commies are retarded on their own right but most of weed smoking funko collecting big tech shills that populate reddit would just be labeled lumpen by actual marxist leninists, any other ideology beyond nihilistic consumerism would treat them most unkindly.

 

[WhiteNight]

They believe in left-wing ideology. That's a constant.

Grandson, let me tell you about the old days when Reddit worshipped Ron Paul.

 

[InteracialBowelSyndrome]

Of course reddit hates the 2nd amendment, most of these faggots are queers and antifa supporters that want the riot to "protest" (riot) violently and not meet any consequences. You should have seen how the website smeared Kyle Rittenhouse. Whole subreddits would ban you if you voiced support for him, which is a typical reddit thing. Honestly I hope we have a WW3 that is as bloody as WW1, for the good of mankind we need to cull this herd.

Reddit losers hated the fact that Rittenhero was carrying a gun, but loved how Grosskeutz was. Once again, it came down to actually knowing how to act. Kyle wasted a kiddy fucker and a wife beater, and gave Gage the new nickname of "Stumpy".

Gage fired first and nearly hit a black guy.

Remember, my fellow Kiwis. Trigger discipline, don't muzzle sweep friendlies, always assume it's loaded, and NEVER fire "warning shots" or aim for limbs. Center mass, my homies.

Also own weapons that aren't subjected gun laws. Most anti-2A laws regarding self defense are stupid and full of loopholes, so smart folks can get around them.

Better to be judged by 12 then carried by 6.

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