The Holocaust Thread - The Great Debate Between Affirmers, Revisionists and Deniers

[The Tall Man]

You believe the state can strip men of all their rights, rob them of their livelihoods and all their material possessions and deport them to inhospitable lands

Indeed, I hold the belief that deportation is not inherently immoral, particularly when one faces unwelcome circumstances resulting from their own actions. Your perspective, which brands deportation as evil, aligns with the viewpoints commonly associated with the far-left in contemporary times.

It seems, comrade, that we both are communists.

Other than the graph you ripped off from denier bud's video, which has no dates, no numbers, nothin

It appears that you are finding it challenging to refrain from being insincere. I must point out that I have previously mentioned on the previous page that I personally created the graph.

 

[Chugger]

It appears that you are finding it challenging to refrain from being insincere. I must point out that I have previously mentioned on the previous page that I personally created the graph.

I genuinely missed that. I assumed if you had made it yourself you would have included your source. In any case, the source I provided massively contradicts whatever you put forward, and supersedes it (cuz of no citation, no numbers, no dates). Yours is a worthless graph, sorry.

 

[The Tall Man]

I assumed if you had made it yourself you would have included your source.

Attempt to compose a single post without resorting to falsehoods; the continuous misrepresentation is becoming increasingly tiresome.

massively contradicts

No, it doesn't
Your shows 1880 (7.6mil) to 1939 (16.5mil), mine 1880 (7.8mil) to 1939 (16.7mil)

The relatively low 1700 figure in your table serves to accentuate the spike rather than explain the anomalous growth rate. Taking a moment to reflect, you might realize that this could be an outcome of plotting trends in reverse, as I previously elucidated that census data before the 20th century is inherently unreliable. Employing contemporary data and trends to retrospectively analyze the past is a commonly employed technique.
It indicates that prior to 1825, population growth was exceptionally sluggish. However, a little over 100 years before the holocaust, the growth rate inexplicably surges to unrealistically high levels, only to return to the baseline after the holocaust.

 

[Chugger]

The relatively low 1700 figure in your table serves to accentuate the spike rather than explain the anomalous growth rate. Taking a moment to reflect, you might realize that this could be an outcome of plotting trends in reverse, as I previously elucidated that census data before the 20th century is inherently unreliable. Employing contemporary data and trends to retrospectively analyze the past is a commonly employed technique.
It indicates that prior to 1825, population growth was exceptionally sluggish. However, a little over 100 years before the holocaust, the growth rate inexplicably surges to unrealistically high levels, only to return to the baseline after the holocaust.

Wrong again. Population growth was not "exceptionally sluggish". It nearly tripled between 1700 and 1825

Contrast that with Western Europe's population which went from 81 million to 132 million over the same period. Obviously there was emigration from Europe at this time ( though clearly 100 million people did not leave, and there was also immigration)

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1303831/western-europe-population-development-history

 

[The Tall Man]

@Chugger
I am quickly losing patience with you as an interlocutor.

1700 (1,1) and 1825(3,2) that means between 1700 and 1825 the anomalous spike started.

prior to 1825, population growth was exceptionally sluggish

It remained at approximately 1.2 prior to the growth surge in 1825. If you are now contesting the characterization of roughly 600 years of essentially zero growth as exceptionally sluggish, then I find myself at a loss for further discussion on the matter.

Once more, this is entirely unrelated to the heart of the matter. You seem to be diverting the discussion towards trivial details while consistently evading the main point.

This is a trend I have observed from your side of the discussion in this thread,

I've noticed this pattern from the affirming side throughout this discussion.

 

[Betonhaus]

Of course. Propaganda 101 is to divert discussion to a tiny detail then pick it apart so that the whole gets ignored

 

[Chugger]

1700 (1,1) and 1825(3,2) that means between 1700 and 1825 the anomalous spike started.

So to be clear, now you are saying the "anomalous spike" (where all the population records must be wrong) occurred over a period of 250 years coinciding with the emancipation of the Jews in Europe, rapid advances in medicine and increased food supply, and far more accurate census taking? (this is my assertion not Tall Man's)

Once more, this is entirely unrelated to the heart of the matter. You seem to be diverting the discussion towards trivial details while consistently evading the main point.

If it's not important we don't need to talk about it.

But my understanding is you were saying Holocaust couldn't happen (or at least this was your main argument)>> because there weren't enough Jews there >> even though the censuses say there were enough >> but the censuses are wrong >> because the population couldn't have doubled in 60 years

Now you are saying that the slow growth up to 1700 proves the population couldn't have doubled, or do you have other evidence here?

 

[The Tall Man]

@Chugger
You are once again being insincere.
If you revise your post to eliminate falsehoods, I may consider responding. However, in its current state, I find it difficult to engage with your attitude.

 

[Gog & Magog]

Your perspective, which brands deportation as evil, aligns with the viewpoints commonly associated with the far-left in contemporary times.

I never said it was evil. I say ethnic-based punishment and tyranny by the state are wrong. You support harming whites on account of their ethnicity which is definitely anti-white.

It seems, comrade, that we both are communists.

It seems you are a faggot.

 

[Chugger]

@Chugger
You are once again being insincere.
If you revise your post to eliminate falsehoods, I may consider responding. However, in its current state, I find it difficult to engage with your attitude.

You're right, I revised it.

For the other part I was just stating my view on what you believe, and seeing if that was accurate.

 

[Gog & Magog]

@The Tall Man simps for a regime that would have AktionT4'd his autistic ass had he been around.

 

[The Tall Man]

I've identified a remedy for your lack of honesty; I'll only engage with the truthful aspects of your message.

If it's not important we don't need to talk about it.

Yes.

@Gog & Magog
This is how you come across:
"deportation is evil"
"freedom of association isn't part of my libertarian philosophy"
"groups perusing common interests isn't moral only individuals should do that"

 

[Gog & Magog]

@The Tall Man is autistic and hates freedom.

 

[BlaireWhitesBottom2]

I have never heard a decent counterpoint for the following:

Why would the Nazis put jews in camps to ship them across several countries and tie up resources when a handful of bullets would be cheaper and more efficient?

Why not use the male jews as cheap fodder soliders in Russia? The Nazis were willing to use child molesters and rapists as penal soliders as well as Slavs from Russia, Ukraine, Belarus that we are assured by every jewish historian would be put to death if the Germans had their way, but not jews?

If we are so sure 6 million jews died, what are their names? Do we even have the names of half the jews that died during the holocaust?

Also the Israelis getting caught outright lying in real time during their recent war with the Palestinians a out 40 beheaded babies, or babies in thrown in ovens, or several jews being shot in bomb shelters (that are really Syrians) or children shot in closets leads me to believe the Jewish community is used to lying for shock value and pity points, only now with the internet they can't get away with their bullshit like they're used to.

to quote phil leotardo "because they were stupid, thats why"

and for the record, i am not married to the 6 millon number. but questioning it is a bit of a gamble in general lol

I am going to summarize 255 pages in one sentence:

It didn’t happen and if it did happen it wasn’t that bad and if it was that bad then they deserved it.

/thread

im reminded of a time i beat the shit out of a junkie for hopping in my car when i was door dashing. was it an overreaction to randy orton punt his head? probably... did he provoke me on some level? youre goddamn right

 

[No Batty Boys in Jamaica]

im reminded of a time i beat the shit out of a junkie for hopping in my car when i was door dashing. was it an overreaction to randy orton punt his head? probably... did he provoke me on some level? youre goddamn right

Just like the holohoax… I’m not sure if that happened but if it did then that junky deserved it.

 

[Irredemable Retardation]

@The Tall Man simps for a regime that would have AktionT4'd his autistic ass had he been around.

the 35% of wignats that would not get at the very least sterilized for racial impurity are assigned the black triangle instead, lol

 

[BlaireWhitesBottom2]

Just like the holohoax… I’m not sure if that happened but if it did then that junky deserved it.

i still felt bad doing it man like 4 years of pent up rage was just unleashed on him lol

 

[DDR Yoga]

Where does the orthodox opinion that the Nazis killed disabled and gays fit into this？

Were they shoahed?

 

[Chugger]

Where does the orthodox opinion that the Nazis killed disabled and gays fit into this？

Were they shoahed?

let's go with wikipedia here

So no.

 

[Gog & Magog]

I claim this thread in the name of YHWH. By the power of the Lord have we overcome the foe. Hallelujah!