Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

[Corn Syrup Connoisseur]

*snip*

Did this guy just waste a chest seal on a flesh wound (8:55)? You can see both the entry and exit wounds. It's hard to tell by just footage, but looks like it didn't puncture the lung and by the way the injured man is talking he has no breathing problems..
Standard first aid bandages are for this. Not special combat life saver/medic equipment.

Edit: Sorry for autism, but I actually have some qualifications on this


Later on the video on a different guy it is a mixed-clownshow. Couple real Israeli style bandages (actual quality like the chest seal). Everything else shitty dollar store gauze and no hemostats.

 

[DagothUr]

If you have armored units that close, I would absolutely expect infantry to follow it. Hence, your position is getting overrun. Him standing up in the open about to fire off that RPG makes him a prime target to get shot in the back. It sure doesn't look like his buddies are covering him at all.

Could they really follow behind without getting shot up themselves? I'm not saying you're wrong. The resolution of that situation wasn't really shown so maybe there were.

 

[No Scope]

Did this guy just waste a chest seal on a flesh wound (8:55)? You can see both the entry and exit wounds. It's hard to tell by just footage, but looks like it didn't puncture the lung and by the way the injured man is talking he has no breathing problems..
Standard first aid bandages are for this. Not special combat life saver/medic equipment.

Yes, I would absolutely agree with your assessment on this. I wasn't sure what was being used on the guy as I do not have any in depth medical gear knowledge. In the video the round looks like it contacted just above the guy's plate carrier. This can be seen when the medic was taking off this guy's gear. I would say the guy is very lucky it was not a direct frontal hit by the 5.45 round.

Going off my knowledge when I was on ARFCOM many years ago, the characteristics of the round was very appealing when it came on the US civilian market. It was known as the "poison bullet" and the magazines and the true Russian, 7N6 cartridge, had great potential for it to yaw and create a nasty wound channel when it entered the body. I have not read into any recent articles about the AK74 and if anything had been debunked before it got banned in the US. I'll probably look over some articles this weekend and see if what I know still holds true.

Could they really follow behind without getting shot up themselves? I'm not saying you're wrong. The resolution of that situation wasn't really shown so maybe there were.

I should have been more specific in my reply. The armored vehicle would be running parallel to the tree lines and the infantry would be inside the tree line where the trenches are. Running behind an armored vehicle out in the open will be a complete wipe from the collateral damage if the tank were taken out.

If anyone here is current or ex-military I would very much welcome your thoughts on this kind of scenario.

EDITED: Clarification

 

[MMS-China]

LUKASHENKO: "We are witnessing the collapse of the system of international relations. We are participants in the dismantling of the unipolar Western-centric model. A step-by-step transition to multipolarity is taking place. This is a complex, dramatic transition. Western politicians do not want to give up their positions, ignoring the inexorable course of history, which cannot be stopped.

Under the slogan of the “rules-based order” that replaces international law, the West tries to dominate the entire world more and more often... a larger part of the world is unwilling to play by these rules while the language of diplomacy was replaced with saber rattling a long time ago. International law works exclusively for the benefit of a select few... What is more alarming is the premonition of a global catastrophe, a new world war that may stem from the [MIddle East] regional conflict... This so-called controlled chaos is what the United States and the West want."

 

[Corn Syrup Connoisseur]

Yes, I would absolutely agree with your assessment on this. I wasn't sure what was being used on the guy as I do not have any in depth medical gear knowledge. In the video the round looks like it contacted just above the guy's plate carrier. This can be seen when the medic was taking off this guy's gear. I would say the guy is very lucky it was not a direct frontal hit by the 5.45 round.

Going off my knowledge when I was on ARFCOM many years ago, the characteristics of the round was very appealing when it came on the US civilian market. It was known as the "poison bullet" and the magazines and the true Russian, 7N6 cartridge, had great potential for it to yaw and create a nasty wound channel when it entered the body. I have not read into any recent articles about the AK74 and if anything had been debunked before it got banned in the US. I'll probably look over some articles this weekend and see if what I know still holds true.

My personal gripe was just wasting a chest seals on a superficial wound.
All the debate about which cartridges cause which injuries are completely void when it comes to treating actual injuries.
Basically only thing military medical staff cares about is if it was hollow point (illegal) or fmj and then treatment is case by case. There is no specific caliber for "poison bullets" even if popular culture says so. It just depends where bullets hit and if those exit or not.

 

[No Scope]

My personal gripe was just wasting a chest seals on a superficial wound.
All the debate about which cartridges cause which injuries are completely void when it comes to treating actual injuries.
Basically only thing military medical staff cares about is if it was hollow point(illegal) or fmj(legal).

Yes, I agree about the waste of a chest seal. Apologies as I tend to go off on a tangent some times. This should be further evidence that Z man DGAF about proper training for those being sent to the front to fight. I hope all Western military aid is cut off to the Ukraine so they will be forced into peace agreements with Russia. The longer this war goes on, the more territory the Ukraine is going to lose.

 

[White_N]

The leader of the Servant of the People faction in the Verkhovna Rada, Davyd Arahamiya, has spoken in an interview with the 1+1 TV channel about the circumstances and confirmed the negotiations between Russia and Ukraine in 2022. According to him, the main demand of the Russian side was Kiev's neutrality, but the then British Prime Minister Boris Johnson advised to give up negotiations with Russia.

 

[Strix454]

The leader of the Servant of the People faction in the Verkhovna Rada, Davyd Arahamiya, has spoken in an interview with the 1+1 TV channel about the circumstances and confirmed the negotiations between Russia and Ukraine in 2022. According to him, the main demand of the Russian side was Kiev's neutrality, but the then British Prime Minister Boris Johnson advised to give up negotiations with Russia.

The Russians made different demands at different times.

The pre-war demands were Ukraine not joining NATO or the EU and some sort of reasonable settlement of the Donbas war.

In March 2022:
Russia supposedly was looking for
- Independence for the two Donbas states
- Recognition of the annexation of Crimea
- Some form of neutrality for Ukraine.
Ukraine pushed the idea of a Russian withdrawal from Ukraine. Ukraine would not join NATO. But Ukraine would have international guarantees similar to NATO's article five that required other states to go to war to protect it.

Boris Johnson made a surprise trip to Ukraine on April 9th, 2022. By unconfirmed reports, he brought a message to Ukraine that the west was not interested in negotiations and would NOT sign any agreement with Putin to end the war. Ukraine effectively ended serious negotiations about three days after Johnson's visit.

Around May, both sides adopted positions that made it clear that neither side had any interest in further discussions or any sort of negotiations.

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

Boris Johnson made a surprise trip to Ukraine on April 9th, 2022. By unconfirmed reports, he brought a message to Ukraine that the west was not interested in negotiations and would NOT sign any agreement with Putin to end the war. Ukraine effectively ended serious negotiations about three days after Johnson's visit.

Why was Boris Johnson or Britain's signature needed for anything in the first place? Remember that first year when they all pretended this wasn't a proxy war from the start?

 

[Extreme Crusader]

People in Kiev are reporting to Twitter that a massive drone attack is currently happening. Slava drone gods.

https://nitter.net/MundoEConflicto/status/1728267806343663686#m

 

[White_N]

In March 2022:
Russia supposedly was looking for
- Independence for the two Donbas states
- Recognition of the annexation of Crimea
- Some form of neutrality for Ukraine.
Ukraine pushed the idea of a Russian withdrawal from Ukraine. Ukraine would not join NATO. But Ukraine would have international guarantees similar to NATO's article five that required other states to go to war to protect it.

Boris Johnson made a surprise trip to Ukraine on April 9th, 2022. By unconfirmed reports, he brought a message to Ukraine that the west was not interested in negotiations and would NOT sign any agreement with Putin to end the war. Ukraine effectively ended serious negotiations about three days after Johnson's visit.

Yeah, we're talking about the negotiations that Johnson interrupted.
And David himself calls the main topic of negotiations the neutrality of Ukraine; the rest - denazification, protection of the rights of the Russian population, and other things he calls political seasoning. It is obvious that for the Ukrainian government, the main interest is this carrot on a stick, because of which hundreds of thousands of people continue to die. Some people have finally realized that this is unrealistic and are now drooling over delusions of reparations.


The funny thing is that the fact of the negotiations as well as the intervention of Jonosn was traditionally considered a conspiracy theory, even after Putin showed the draft document created during the negotiations, and now it seems that the propaganda of the Kremlin trolls was real once again.

 

[Betonhaus]

The funny thing is that the fact of the negotiations as well as the intervention of Jonosn was traditionally considered a conspiracy theory, even after Putin showed the draft document created during the negotiations, and now it seems that the propaganda of the Kremlin trolls was real once again

How much money would one bet that this draft was much more favorable to Ukraine and NATO then what the end results will be?

 

[Strix454]

Why was Boris Johnson or Britain's signature needed for anything in the first place? Remember that first year when they all pretended this wasn't a proxy war from the start?

The Ukrainian peace proposal in March 2022 contained the idea of an international guarantee by outside countries that they would protect Ukraine's independence after the peace was made. Ukraine would to stay out of NATO, but Ukraine's idea was that there would be a NATO-like international guarantee to protect Ukraine in future. Its uncertain if the Russians would have ultimately accepted that.

Boris Johnson was sent because the Americans always tend to send the British on occasions where they do not want to be seen to go themselves and the message in this case had to be delivered by someone very important and in person. He was representing more than just Britain in that meeting.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

Imagine throwing away the Ukraine because this clown shows up and tells you to do it.

You will never convince me he didn't also bring a few suitcases laden with dollars.

People in Kiev are reporting to Twitter that a massive drone attack is currently happening. Slava drone gods.

https://nitter.net/MundoEConflicto/status/1728267806343663686#m

Yep, seems the Winter Games have begun:

Lots of buildings without power and downed power lines.
Source

 

[clipartfan92]

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[Iron Jaguar]

 

[PrimeRadiant]

Imagine throwing away the Ukraine because this clown shows up and tells you to do it.
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You will never convince me he didn't also bring a few suitcases laden with dollars.

More likely he told Zelensky he would get the Qadaffy treatment if he signed the treaty

 

[Kane Lives]

Yep, seems the Winter Games have begun:

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Lots of buildings without power and downed power lines.
Source

Going to be a long and hard winter for Kiev.

 

[01169]

Situation is getting worse for AFU in Avdeevka.
Usage of cluster bombs by VVS remains very high.

Spoiler: Dead bodies

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Here is at least the summary from the author of the article on Twitter:
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I dread the day this war is over for good and all these traumatized Ukrainians are flooding into Europe. "Familiennachzug" it's called in German woke speech. Their wives are already here after all. There's no way you stay human after conditions like that. How the fuck did we ever get dragged into this shit.

 

[Sister Miriam Godwinson]

How the fuck did we ever get dragged into this shit.

Like that. Notably, the confession was aired on a Ukrainian channel by a member of Zelensky's own politial party this time, so it is hard to dismiss as Russian propaganda. Not that it won't be, of course.