Law For the (italian) Supreme Court, sex in manga between adults and minors is a crime: what those found with such comics risk - Italian courts declare shotacons/lolicons are actual pedos



In recent days there has been much discussion on the web about Supreme Court ruling No. 47187/2023, which ruled that manga (and, more generally, all comic books) depicting sexual relations between adults and minors can also be classified as "child pornography." Therefore, anyone found in possession of such items can be prosecuted, since it is a prosecutable offense ex officio.

The Supreme Court's ruling

The ruling stems from a very specific case that the Supreme Court found itself dealing with: that of a man convicted in an abbreviated procedure in 2021 by the Court of Trieste, a sentence later upheld by the Court of Appeals.

The crime involved the individual's possession of child pornography, including 6 photographs depicting nude minors and 2 photographs of minors in explicit poses.

In addition to this, images and manga comics depicting incestuous sexual intercourse between adults and minors and illustrations of an erotic tale were found in the USB flash drive taken from the subject's home.
The defense decided to appeal to the Supreme Court because, according to lawyers, the Court of Appeals had erred in equating the illustrations in the man's possession with child pornography, since they did not depict real situations.

At this point, however, the Supreme Court stressed that "it must agree with the reference of the judgments on the merits to the pronouncements of this Supreme Court, which have conferred criminal relevance not only to the actual reproduction of the minor in a situation of pornographic physicality, but also to drawings, paintings, and everything that is suitable to give the viewer the idea that the object of the pornographic representation is a minor." elaboration that allows the confirmation of the conviction decision for both comic strips and illustrations of the erotic tale depicting minors engaged in incestuous acts or other sexual activities to be deemed immune from censure."

That is: visual representations potentially capable of generating in the viewer the idea of witnessing a pornographic performance with a minor are entirely superimposed on images related to real situations.

Even then, the Supreme Court explained that the criminal relevance of the conduct lay in the depiction of situations in which minors were reduced to the rank of mere sexual objects, regardless of whether real people or purely fictional characters were portrayed in them.

Are those who own erotic manga at risk?


Of course, not all erotic manga-known as hentai-are prohibited by law. The restrictions affect only those who possess material depicting minors.

In that case the penalty is imprisonment for up to 3 years and with a fine of not less than 1,549 euros.

Who decides whether it is child pornography


The question arises: how does one determine whether the cartoon character is a minor or just an adult who shows much less than the age he or she is, since these are nonexistent subjects?

This assessment is referred to the judge of the first instance, who is called upon to evaluate the physical features of the characters portrayed and the possible development of sexual characters: if they are still in the adolescent stage, with breasts not yet formed, then there can be talk of child pornography.


Translated with deepl but proof read.
 
It sounds like it is what was done by the lawyers but I do not speak Italian and do not trust a newspaper translation to be giving full context.
 
I wonder how that works for dark mangas with rape scenes that don't seem to be jerk off material.

i used to watch Dragonball on TV and some earlier episodes featured the protagonist's exposed child penis. i wonder if someone will be tasked to watch through all of the show and document it all only to show it to some court.
Isn't that a common gag in Shin Chan?
I don't trust this. Translations are finnicky, and the case mentioned here is one where the dude had actual real life CSAM with the shota/loli stuff in the same HDD. The lawyers seem to have tried to keep him free by somehow using the troll logic of "actually these pictures are just drawn so the conviction is wrong!" as if the hentai cancels out the CSAM. Sounds more like the standard here is "no you can't just claim it is "just art" when we can literally see the child porn retardo cazzo".
Wasn't there some guy in the US a long time ago that had a Tony the Tiger porn video marked as bestiality?
Found it. I guess it was a misunderstanding? :story:
 
I wonder how that works for dark mangas with rape scenes that don't seem to be jerk off material.
A judge is making a call, so most likely be counted.

I don't trust this. Translations are finnicky, and the case mentioned here is one where the dude had actual real life CSAM with the shota/loli stuff in the same HDD. The lawyers seem to have tried to keep him free by somehow using the troll logic of "actually these pictures are just drawn so the conviction is wrong!" as if the hentai cancels out the CSAM. Sounds more like the standard here is "no you can't just claim it is "just art" when we can literally see the child porn retardo cazzo".
I think the defense is more to stop the loli shit from adding to his CP charges as he is already fucked there and the hentai could enhance his sentence by a few years (fuck him btw).

Has the Italian court delt with loli/shota hentai before or is this new ground for them?
 
Criminal law should require actual harm, not just moralfagging.
No, the intent of law IS moralfagging at its core. I think it's good to make loli/shota illegal for that reason, even if there's not actual harm, though I concede it should be a far lesser offense.

The only problem here is Italy seems to now make no distinction between harming an actual human being, and fapping to cartoons.
 
Wow this is some fucked up shit. Dangerous beyond belief as well.

The very definition thought crimes and the criminalization of imagination and fantasy.

If he had real CP then hang him over that. Once you start including colored dots on paper as crimes, as victims.. yikes!

Anyone who sits back and says "it's not something I like/care about/could stand to look at, so who cares?" in the current era, after everything we've seen... as a member of this site! Is fucking retarded! censorship, moral panic and thought police will come for everyone some day. That's why you need to cut it off at the level of concept! Yes bad tactics!


I wouldn't trust the Italian justice system, didn't they retry Amanda Knox twice for the same crime?

Their system is pretty fucked up in general.. This is a place where air accidents are treated as criminal matters by default and get priority over finding out what really happened, why and how to prevent it again.
 
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"Noooooo it's just a drawing of a toddler being raped by an adult, I'm not a pedophile and I definitely don't have CSAM on my hard drive" All lolifags gets the rope.
>shows several close-up panels of insertion, the genitals, and the crying face
yeah, no
that's pedoshit

Just do what Miura did for Guts. Sure, it was memed to death to the point I actually laugh at it now but still: it portrays horror and inhumanity without trying to titilate anyone, unless you're a twisted faggot who likes grown black man ass.
 
May some whizkid coder write a virus that spams loli on so many devices that the court system is paralyzed trying to figure out if/how to charge half the populace under this retarded moralfagging law.

Maybe next they can hash out how to charge people with murder for shooting an NPC in Fallout 4.
 
Over 8,000 illegal migrants invading a small island with less than 5,000 native citizens? I sleep.

A picture of a cartoon? Real shit.
That would be a good meme featuring the sleeping black guy. A variant with the Joker would be "Someone drew a porn picture and everyone lost their minds while 8000 illegal migrats invaded a small island with less than 5000 native citizens and nobody blink an eye" or going a step further with the Third World Skeptical kid "People got uncomforable about a porn picture of a cartoon character but they're ok with LGBTQ books showing nude pics to kids?"
 
The execution is bad. Large tits and hairy pussy are the get out of cp free cards?

Did a hairy and fat italian woman write this?

They should have gone for child like body when its not clearly a midget. Not vax lol. I mean Eugenia Cooney should be illegal but not on cp grounds....

Now how about banning drag queen story hour?
 
Wasn’t that in porn, too? Didn’t some porn star bitch about it because she has Mosquito bite boobs and they accidentally didn’t censor her name?
The only hentai I jack off to has women with unrealistically giant breasts, so I think I'm safe from these retarded laws.

Didn't Chris Chan get into incest manga? There's a surprising amount of "boy fucks his mom" material in both comics and live action out there.
 
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