Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

[RobotDog]

At least the NAFO trannies can say that the glorious bradley made it deep into ruZZian territory

 

[Keystone]

Captured Bradley on Russian 1TV

https://www.1tv.ru/news/2023-12-05/466450-podrobnosti_istorii_o_tom_kak_rossiyskie_boytsy_uveli_bmp_bradley_pryamo_iz_pod_nosa_boevikov

Edit: Images of it being taken from the TG account Работайте, братья!
Бедная "Бредли", которую бросили ее бывшие нерадивые хозяева
Хорошо, что ее приютили заботливые русские
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Comment: Poor "Bradley" who was abandoned by her former negligent owners
Good thing she was taken in by caring Russians.

I have an archive of the 1TV clip but video uploads crap out atm

Wonder which museum it'll end up in.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

Wonder which museum it'll end up in.

Same place this Leopard 2 will, if they can find a way to move it.


Jihad Julian spazzing over the 1TV clip lol

 

[Sir Joahim Browinson III]

Jihad Julian spazzing over the 1TV clip lol
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I love how it insinuates that Russian are dumb monkeys who cannot possibly understand the superior western tech.

People like Julian need a lesson in humbling.

 

[Homo neanderthalensis]

Ukraine needs 3000 billion missiles, 3 quadrillion us dollars, 10000 reddit mods, 8 billion nafo fellas, 2 Hunter Biden Tactical Paintings and 100% for the big guy to win.

 

[prolapsed_cranium]

Ukraine is 100% correct and the US is 100% retarded.

The Ukrainians violated the principle of mass. They needed to do a massive push, not piecemeal company level attacks, but we keep seeing that battalion level maneuvering is beyond Holhol logic.

They floundered around in minefields and pursued their Bakhmut fetish once again to disasterous effect. The AFU wasted how many fucking Storm Shadows and SCALPs on the Black Sea Fleet and the Kerch Bridge instead of attempting to disrupt Russian rail traffic that was being used to supply and move troops.

"Fuck blowing up marshalling yards and rolling stock. The dogfuckers on Twitter need some updoots!"

- Before the advance on Robotyne, the Ukrainians used drones for reconnaissance rather than human reconnaissance which led to a lack of information on the minefields. In other words, they were suggesting more Ukrainian soldiers should have been sent on recon missions into the middle of the minefields before the operation began.

Yes, and I mentioned this in June. The Ukrainians don't appear to have sent out patrols that would have discovered the Russians laying massive fucking minefields. We know this because of the Ukrainian SoF dude that was tweeting about how funny it was the Americans used paper maps and did analog stuff instead of using Chinese smartphones.

This is basic Army 101 stuff.

My impression is that the US military was completely unreasonable in their requests and that what they were telling the Ukrainians to do would not work. The Ukrainians could not directly say "no" to them, so instead they started demanding things like F-16s. They knew of course that F-16s would make practical difference, but that the discussion of them would divert US attention away from US battlefield strategy demands.

Overall I would say that the US military in Ukraine is showing levels of incompetence not seen since the early 1960s in South Vietnam. As in South Vietnam, the US military is full of bad ideas and sees the main problem as being that the Ukrainians are not just blindly following their instructions.

This lets the AFU command off too easy. Sure the US likely wasn't helpful but don't excuse AFU leadership. They'd have fucked up regardless.

 

[Ancient Pioneer]

The Ukrainians violated the principle of mass. They needed to do a massive push, not piecemeal company level attacks.

This is exactly how the Soviet army worked in WW2, attack several directions at once with modest force and when something collapsed you close out the other axis and flood the successful axis of attack. Ukraine and Russia have extreme trouble in this war that was never really solved during WW1, getting a breakthrough is incalculably difficult and hardly worth the squeeze. This is why everything seems to be at the company level over single farmer fields. Even WITH tanks this problem wasn't resolved during WW1, the failure of the Kaiserschlacht outright broke the back of the German army and its morale which allowed the general offensive by Foch to succeed. We're probably at the stage right now where we're determining if this "Spring" offensive by Ukraine broke the back of their army. Even then, Russia seems to be moving very slow and any gains from Ukraine blunting its blade on the offensive hasn't been much to write home about. Expecting NATO to know how to resolve this situation is pure stupidity, because no actor in NATO solved it back in WW1.

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

The Ukrainians violated the principle of mass. They needed to do a massive push, not piecemeal company level attacks, but we keep seeing that battalion level maneuvering is beyond Holhol logic.

TBF, they had trouble massing up in the first place because the second they leave the forests, they become artillery targets. We're also seeing just how good NATO training actually is... and it, to put it charitably, is not designed against a near-peer nation. The US's only real understanding of war is against depleted Middle Eastern states and thus, don't know how to fight against someone who has crappier, but similar equipment.

 

[Eternal Gopnik]

On the side of the US, I guess it's just a result of several decades of diversity hiring and promoting slimy politicians instead of competent leaders. Now the officer corps is filled with doorknob-polishers and literal niggers and noone can tell them shit because they run the whole thing. It's the same competency crisis that's affecting the corporate sector, except probably even worse, because it's government-funded and there's no stock price to worry about.

You could see that the upper brass was completely removed from reality in Iraq and Afghanistan, too. They kept thinking the Afghanistan National Army would hold its own against the Taliban while everyone who was actually on the ground knew they were completely incompetent literal junkies. People have been warning about it for years, but they were at best ignore, and if they were too loud and insistent, silenced.

I've long been wondering if the Afghanistan disaster in 2021 was what finally convinced Putin to pull the trigger on the Ukraine invasion less than a year later, as he watched that unbelievable clown show unfold and realized the West is truly run by utter idiots who have been huffing their own farts for so long they got brain damage from hypoxia. I think it was a contributing factor for sure - there were obviously others. (Like those two color revolution attempts in Belarus and Kazakhstan in 2021 that had Nuland's filthy claw marks all over them and that everyone in the MSM long since forgot about.)

These dumbass shitlibs appear to truly believe that if they just keep ignoring reality and repeating that things are fine, reality itself will reshape itself around what they want. The West needs to start throwing these spineless, useless retards out of helicopters before they kill us all.

 

[The giant penis of doom]

People like Julian need a lesson in humbling.

That's the thing. They already got the lesson, repeatedly during this conflict. It didn't take, and never will until the boots are right on his doorstep. Hopefully we don't get there.

 

[PrimeRadiant]

This is exactly how the Soviet army worked in WW2, attack several directions at once with modest force and when something collapsed you close out the other axis and flood the successful axis of attack. Ukraine and Russia have extreme trouble in this war that was never really solved during WW1, getting a breakthrough is incalculably difficult and hardly worth the squeeze. This is why everything seems to be at the company level over single farmer fields. Even WITH tanks this problem wasn't resolved during WW1, the failure of the Kaiserschlacht outright broke the back of the German army and its morale which allowed the general offensive by Foch to succeed. We're probably at the stage right now where we're determining if this "Spring" offensive by Ukraine broke the back of their army. Even then, Russia seems to be moving very slow and any gains from Ukraine blunting its blade on the offensive hasn't been much to write home about. Expecting NATO to know how to resolve this situation is pure stupidity, because no actor in NATO solved it back in WW1.

You cant do ww2 mass attacks when the enemy can surveil you, hit the assembly areas with missiles and precision artillery and then soak the earth with rapidly scatterable mines. Not to mention that both sides are flooding the battlefield with ECM and jamming, making it hard to coordinate anything larger than a company.

 

[Zashaiba]

Constantly watching this conflict makes me want to shoot my computer

 

[The Hardest R]

Constantly watching this conflict makes me want to shoot my computer

Then don’t watch it. Everyone else is tuning out, especially as it becomes obvious that Zelenskyyyy has been thrown under the bus and left for the Russian bear to tear up.

These dumbass shitlibs appear to truly believe that if they just keep ignoring reality and repeating that things are fine, reality itself will reshape itself around what they want. The West needs to start throwing these spineless, useless retards out of helicopters before they kill us all.

It’s the product of being in a unipolar world. Without a real threat, they believe they can take more risk with things like promoting more women and blacks because there’s no need to stay sharp as there is no real rival, just pissant countries that unstable. Problem is that strategy has not worked. Losing in Iraq and Afghanistan is a sign that this strategy is a failure, it’s a shame that we’ve gone all in on it and anyone who questions it commits career suicide. Losing in Ukraine should be a big deal but Israel and likely Venezuela serve as convenient distractions to memoryhole this failure. This war will be forgotten and no lessons will be learned from it.

 

[Meh123]

TBF, they had trouble massing up in the first place because the second they leave the forests, they become artillery targets. We're also seeing just how good NATO training actually is... and it, to put it charitably, is not designed against a near-peer nation. The US's only real understanding of war is against depleted Middle Eastern states and thus, don't know how to fight against someone who has crappier, but similar equipment.

Implying russia has crappier gear.
Yes, thermals and fancy computers are one thing, but not having a proper anti-infantry round in their tank is a bigger problem IMHO than having 2nd gen thermals instead of 3rd.

Constantly watching this conflict makes me want to shoot my computer

Do it and quit bitching and moaning already.

 

[VargReallyDidNothingWrong]

We're also seeing just how good NATO training actually is

No modern Western military is ready to take the casualties a near-peer war will bring. The West has cultivated this cult of technological advancement over the decades, the idea that they'll be able to kick everyone's ass, carpetbomb them into the stone age, and then the special forces dudes will descend from the heavens with infrared night vision goggles and self-aiming guns and nobody will ever have to die (barring the enemy mooks obviously).

The reality as has been shown in Armenia/Azerbaijan and Ukraine/Russia is far different. You better hope you can do enough damage to the enemy before your troops have to actually see their troops that the enemy gives up or capitulates or otherwise calls off the war, because once that starts both sides are meat for the meat grinder and the West is far less loss-tolerant than "less civilized" countries.

The Arestovich video recently posted had some very salient points about this. The West, despite spending insane amounts of money on defense, is simply not ready to actually fight any serious wars. They have spend massive amounts of money developing weapons and equipment that makes them a great attack dog of the NWO, any tinpot nation that needs invading or policing can be effectively policed and invaded with minimal effort and losses. But they're not ready to fight a proper "world war" anymore.

Constantly watching this conflict makes me want to shoot my computer

This is like your 4th post in this thread saying the exact same shit. Do you want a threadban so you can't participate? It won't stop you being an imbecile without self control but at least we'll have to stop hearing about it.

 

[CaptainAutism69]

Constantly watching this conflict makes me want to shoot my computer

Do it.

 

[The Ugly One]

Oh, I don't know that it's that bad yet.

The inter-war period was a very special time of bizarre planes and clown cars of death.

The Ukrainians violated the principle of mass. They needed to do a massive push, not piecemeal company level attacks, but we keep seeing that battalion level maneuvering is beyond Holhol logic.

The Ukrainians are violating the principle of "you cannot go on offense if your enemy has air superiority." There is literally nothing they can do. They can't go on offense, period. The only reason they do is the Americans order them to, and we pay their government's salaries. For at least a year, the only move they've had is to go on defense, hope the Russians at best grind themselves up and quit, and at worse hold out and negotiate a truce. But that's not what their paymasters in Washington want.

They floundered around in minefields and pursued their Bakhmut fetish once again to disasterous effect. The AFU wasted how many fucking Storm Shadows and SCALPs on the Black Sea Fleet and the Kerch Bridge instead of attempting to disrupt Russian rail traffic that was being used to supply and move troops.

I wonder if they did this at America's direction. America's desperate to get into Crimea. There is clearly someone on the Pentagon who jerks himself off every night to the fantasy of having LCSs with the Stars & Stripes docked at Sevastopol. It's why they wanted Ukraine to go all-in at Robotyne. If you can take out the bridge, run off their navy, and seize the land corridor, America gets what it wants, the rest of the country (and the lives of hundreds of thousands of men...and apparently women and children now) be damned. There's got to be someone at the Pentagon jerking himself off to a fantasy of having American ships docked at Sevastopol.

 

[Mr. Confederate Man]

Same place this Leopard 2 will, if they can find a way to move it.
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Jihad Julian spazzing over the 1TV clip lol
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I love how it insinuates that Russian are dumb monkeys who cannot possibly understand the superior western tech.

People like Julian need a lesson in humbling.

He’s obviously never seen grown men playing with a new (old) piece of equipment they just bought for dirt cheap. I personally have pulled cars out of the woods to resurrect them and get excited when I see simple stuff like the headlights still turning on at the switch, the horn honks, the starter motor turns, etc. My buddies are the same way.

In short, I can easily myself yelling out, “Holy shit! The fan still blows air!” when slapping a battery into an 80s car in the woods as I can “Holy shit! I got the targeting computer to turn on! Oh my god, the gun camera still works!“ after rolling a shot up and battered tank off of the recovery trailer

 

[borsabil]

TBF, they had trouble massing up in the first place because the second they leave the forests, they become artillery targets. We're also seeing just how good NATO training actually is... and it, to put it charitably, is not designed against a near-peer nation. The US's only real understanding of war is against depleted Middle Eastern states and thus, don't know how to fight against someone who has crappier, but similar equipment.

NATO doctrine assumes total air supremacy. Pick a radius around an attack vector. First eliminate all air defense and then all ground defenses. Armored columns move in and can take their sweet fucking time clearing paths through mine fields, no probs. It's not complex in concept but obviously is in execution. Apart from special forces bog standard NATO infantry, including American, is dog shit. Air power is more than important, it's the only thing that matters.

Anyway none of that would work against the Russians. Their layered air defenses are too effective and in the era of drone swarms, GPS guided artillery and hypersonic missiles combined arms maneuvering will lead to disaster whoever wants to try it.

No modern Western military is ready to take the casualties a near-peer war will bring. The West has cultivated this cult of technological advancement over the decades, the idea that they'll be able to kick everyone's ass, carpetbomb them into the stone age, and then the special forces dudes will descend from the heavens with infrared night vision goggles and self-aiming guns and nobody will ever have to die (barring the enemy mooks obviously).

The reality as has been shown in Armenia/Azerbaijan and Ukraine/Russia is far different. You better hope you can do enough damage to the enemy before your troops have to actually see their troops that the enemy gives up or capitulates or otherwise calls off the war, because once that starts both sides are meat for the meat grinder and the West is far less loss-tolerant than "less civilized" countries.

The Arestovich video recently posted had some very salient points about this. The West, despite spending insane amounts of money on defense, is simply not ready to actually fight any serious wars. They have spend massive amounts of money developing weapons and equipment that makes them a great attack dog of the NWO, any tinpot nation that needs invading or policing can be effectively policed and invaded with minimal effort and losses. But they're not ready to fight a proper "world war" anymore.

This is like your 4th post in this thread saying the exact same shit. Do you want a threadban so you can't participate? It won't stop you being an imbecile without self control but at least we'll have to stop hearing about it.

As soon as Russia withdrew from Kherson, dug in behind their lines and started building up their army and armaments production the war was as good as over. The only way Ukraine could have won was if the west, which by which I mean America, was prepared to go over to at least a partial war footing. Re-tool car factories to make armored vehicles, invest in automated shell production, nationalize Tesla to mass produce drones etc etc.

If they could have matched or bettered Russian output Ukraine would still have had a mountain to climb but they'd have had some kind of realistic path to victory. The other major issue they have, given this is an attritional war, is man power. If NATO was serious they'd have introduced a draft and sent young Germans and Poles into the trenches to take on Ivan.

The rhetoric from western politicians, that Russia is an existential threat to the west, in no way matched their actions. Western nations have treated Ukraine as just another proxy in the forever wars post Sep 11, or even before with the bombing of Serbia, with added woke stupidity as shit libs blame Russia for orange man.

Ukrainian defeat is now locked. Everyone knows this, especially the Ukrainians but they keep on throwing the seed corn of their nation into the grinder because reasons. It's turned into a weird ritualistic mass sacrifice. Perhaps there's some Satanic motivation behind it or they're just too stupid to know when they've been beat? For those who think this will be a long endless grind I disagree. When the Ukrainian collapse happens it will be sudden and rapid and it 100% will happen.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

The Ukrainians are violating the principle of "you cannot go on offense if your enemy has air superiority."

When I brought this up before the threads were split I got dogpiled by the hohol simps carrying on about the Ukrainian Air Force, which at the time was getting shot down all over the place. I wonder if the hohols believed their own propaganda as well? Or that F-16 we're going to be delivered any day despite not have trained and experienced pilots to fly them?

There's got to be someone at the Pentagon jerking himself off to a fantasy of having American ships docked at Sevastopol.

Sevastopol is Russia's only warm water port (Mariupol is now the Sea of Azov port), from which they supply Syria. taking it out would severely diminish their role in the Syrian Civil War and the neocons could proceed with their dream of total ME dominance, particularly regarding oil/gas. Of course they're jerking off to it. In vain, it seems.

Ukrainian defeat is now locked. Everyone knows this, especially the Ukrainians but they keep on throwing the seed corn of their nation into the grinder because reasons. It's turned into a weird ritualistic mass sacrifice. Perhaps there's some Satanic motivation behind it or they're just too stupid to know when they've been beat? For those who think this will be a long endless grind I disagree. When the Ukrainian collapse happens it will be sudden and rapid and it 100% will happen.

They've been indoctrinated to believe everything bad that happens, from a stubbed toe to being struck by lighting, is the fault of Russia. Great-great-grandpa Mykola had a heart attack in 18881? Russia. Great-great Uncle Bogdan's horse threw a shoe in 1920? Russia. A famine happened in Eastern Europe/Central Asia but its solely a Ukrainian Hoholcaust? Russia. Germany invaded? Russia. Germany defeated? Russia. USSR broke up? Russia. Grandma Zenia lost her job at Factory No 5 in 1994? Russia. Ukraine has been used by everyone to get at Russia, from Germany to Britain and all the NATO nations, particularly the US, and they've been told everything bad that has happen is Russia's fault, from the cradle to the grave. So they keep going because if they can hurt Russians in any way it still won't be enough for everything they've done, real and imagined.