Off-Topic Random Trans Thoughts, Musings, and Questions - For all your armchair psych and general sperging

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Like, it's more empowering for a troon to think that he's so brave for being girly and kickass like a 2000s grrl power girl and get reassured by his fellow right side of history trans friends (queer = good, unqueer = evil empire) for being the best ever. It's forbidden and therefore exciting to be in that space, both empowering and humiliating since they were told boys can't be girls and get off on how uwu that makes them or somthing.
The thing is, in order to get off on breaking the rules of gender you have to think those rules are real in the first place. And I just don't, which is why I don't think I could ever get "trans joy" or whatever you call it by breaking those non-existent rules.
 
Half baked philosophy spergin here, but imo transgenderism represents a synthesis of the traditional conservative and liberal views of gender. The conservative position (the thesis) was "men are men, and should act like men (i.e. conform to societal expectations of the masculine gender role) and women are women and should act like women (conform to the feminine gender role)." The liberal position (the antithesis) when I was younger was, "that's bullshit, people should be allowed to do whatever they want, gender roles are bullshit, you shouldn't be expected to act a certain way just because you were born a boy or a girl. People should be allowed to do what they want without being forced to follow stereotypes." Back in the day this meant saying things like "boys should be allowed to wear dresses and not feel like this makes them less of a boy", and "girls should be allowed to not wear makeup without feeling this makes them less of a girl." But I guess liberals never really fully digested that idea, they just preached it because it was the opposite of what conservatives believed. They never really got rid of their prejudices against gender non-conformity.

So now we have the synthesis of those two positions, gender ideology is basically the idea that gender is bullshit and arbitrary but also real and something that people should define their lives by. Rather than critiquing the idea of gender roles in and of themselves, the modern liberal position is that people should be allowed to jump from one arbitrary gender role to another. So instead of getting rid of gender roles we are just going to divorce them from biological sex. Which is retarded in and of itself, but the fact that this process is medicalised means that it is actually very dangerous. Think of the living hell Jazz Jennings is going through because he wanted to wear a dress when he was 3 years old. It seems like liberals now agree with the old school conservative position that gender non-conforming people are flawed and in need of correction. But the idea of forcing people to perform the gender role assigned to their sex doesn't appeal to them because it clashes with the radical individualism that is at the heart of modern liberalism. So they embrace transgenderism because it lets them square the circle between the two contradictory beliefs of thinking that people should be allowed to do whatever they want and thinking that people should be forced to follow traditional gender roles.
The Hegelian dialectic in the hands of retarded Americans was bound to be an absolute disaster.
 
Back in the day this meant saying things like "boys should be allowed to wear dresses and not feel like this makes them less of a boy", and "girls should be allowed to not wear makeup without feeling this makes them less of a girl."
The whiplash from this is what set me up to reject troonery.

All my childhood I was told I could be an astronaut/engineer/construction worker (in fact, I should work harder at math and learn how to fix my car, so I didn't let feminism down) and I didn't have to wear dresses.

I wonder when it changed, and if someone could pin it down. Maybe some parents' magazine advice column, year-by-year, could show evidence.
 
The Hegelian dialectic in the hands of retarded Americans was bound to be an absolute disaster.
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Technically both, but you're correct in the sense that Fichte's version is more focused on the individual's self-consciousness and its relation to the world, whereas Hegel's is a broader, historical, and objective process that describes the evolution of ideas and reality itself.
 
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I feel like most troons missed out on the childhood/adolescent lesson of “love yourself for who you are.” I can guarantee most people are not entirely happy with themselves or how they look. Sure I wish I was a 10/10 and pulled women left and right but that’s not the world we live in, most people aren’t that attractive and no type of surgery is going to change that. What’s the solution? Accept reality and learn to appreciate what you have, who you are, and focus on what you want to accomplish. For fucks sake I’ve seen horribly disfigured and disabled people lead better and happier lives than any troon. You would think after so many of them going through so many mutilations and still being just as miserable after the fact they would stop and think “hey maybe the reason I’m not happy is because of how I view myself and not how others view me.” But hey, can’t expect the mentally ill to think rationally.
 
I think it’s not so much thesis antithesis synthesis, because sex and personality is deeply rooted in biology.
John Stuart Mill was probably the first to hint that any gender difference is “social construction”, that
any of the mental differences supposed to exist between women and men are but the natural effect of the differences in their education and circumstances and indicate no radical difference, far less radical inferiority, of nature.
I can’t find the quote now but I think it was also him who said that because men and women were treated so differently at his time, it was impossible to tell whether the sex differences are due to nature or nurture. Very interestingly he added immediately after, that we would only be able to tell the “nature” of men and women when they aren't treated so differently.
Methinks we are really at that point. Not to say men and women are treated the same in social situations, (which only further to say men and women and naturally different, despite all improvements in social conditions). But that women and men are given equal opportunities in life, men can be kindergarten teacher and fashion designers, women can be engineers and police etc. The job choices of either sex is still so disparate, and even more so in Nordic countries. Even more women choose to work with kids &education, and even more men are engineers etc etc. JSM in his brilliance was not a retarded Frankfurt neo Marxist, his preposition was very reasonable for his time that you can’t really tell if women’s choices are so limited. But now we know.

And if we look outside jobs etc, the personality differences are even more consistently, there. In the context of big five personality traits, women are in general more neurotic, agreeable, and display more openness in extraversion measurements. Men display more assertiveness in extraversion measurements. The trend is found across cultures. The difference in the west i think is a whooping 1 standard deviation for neuroticism and agreeableness.
Now back to tranny. I think it’s the increasingly neurotic denial of any innate sexual differences that broke these ppl. If all sexual differences are truly solely cultural as the feminists asserted with increasing intensity, then trannism would never happen. Anyone can be whatever they want, despite their sex. There are no push back to girls being tomboy and boys being little faggots, at least the least push back probably in human history. But there is this deep, unshaking, undeniably innate sexual differences that still manifest even when the people deluded themselves that those differences are not real. GNC ppl know they are different, and despite all the “evil patriarchal oppression” narratives they are told, despite being vehemently encouraged and praised to be the way they are, they know it’s not “normal.” They know deep down what the norm is and they see it around them. But they can’t possibly say or acknowledge that “men and women are different, and they usually behave in this and that pattern,” because thats wrongthink. They know they are not behaving in a way that’s normative for their sex, and they don’t measure up to the standards, even when the standard “don’t exist” anymore.

If someone who’s GNC knows that “most girls are like this, and im just a bit different,” that provides some comfort. it places you somewhere in the social map/hierarchy whatever. But if you take away that anchor of gender sexual norm, people can only panic. If gender norms are not real, then why are all these guys behaving like that and I’m not? Where do I even place myself? What’s going on? Are they all wrong and I’m right? Where do I belong? It seems like I look most like [this sex], thus I must belong there. You can’t find meaning and belonging in sex, be cause feminists told you the only thing different between xx folx and xy folx is physicality. The only thing left is behaviour. If you behave this way, you belong here. If you don’t, then you belong there.
 
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I feel like most troons missed out on the childhood/adolescent lesson of “love yourself for who you are.” I can guarantee most people are not entirely happy with themselves or how they look. Sure I wish I was a 10/10 and pulled women left and right but that’s not the world we live in, most people aren’t that attractive and no type of surgery is going to change that. What’s the solution? Accept reality and learn to appreciate what you have, who you are, and focus on what you want to accomplish. For fucks sake I’ve seen horribly disfigured and disabled people lead better and happier lives than any troon. You would think after so many of them going through so many mutilations and still being just as miserable after the fact they would stop and think “hey maybe the reason I’m not happy is because of how I view myself and not how others view me.” But hey, can’t expect the mentally ill to think rationally.
Social media plays a pretty significant factor in this, IMO. Kids are constantly bombarded with messages about how their peers are all prettier, funnier, more interesting, more successful, and have more fulfilling lives full of nicer stuff than them. Through social media we have a continual window into the lives of friends, pseudo-friends, and celebrities. And what we see is not some unvarnished peek into their world but a highly idealized image that they present.
 
Social media plays a pretty significant factor in this, IMO. Kids are constantly bombarded with messages about how their peers are all prettier, funnier, more interesting, more successful, and have more fulfilling lives full of nicer stuff than them. Through social media we have a continual window into the lives of friends, pseudo-friends, and celebrities. And what we see is not some unvarnished peek into their world but a highly idealized image that they present.
This. And keep in mind what you've described is how an intelligent adult sees this. Kids are dumb and gullible, they have no concept of false pretenses, they will wholeheartedly believe that everything they see on social media is a perfect image of reality as it happens all the time.
 
The thing is, in order to get off on breaking the rules of gender you have to think those rules are real in the first place. And I just don't, which is why I don't think I could ever get "trans joy" or whatever you call it by breaking those non-existent rules.
Yess!!! When I was trans, I never got that joy either. Not because I "nEvEr WaS tRanS" like these cultists claim- hell, I am more trans than a lot of the ones who medically transition because I really do believe / have believed that I am a man trapped in a girl's body, so much so that the thought of physically transitioning never felt enough. It never felt enough to "dress like a man", never felt enough to be referred as one. Because if I'm just trapped in a girl's body, then transitioning would never do anything because at the end of the day I'm still a girl. Clothes and appearance don't define my gender. It was like I never really came to terms with puberty I guess. My body never felt like it was mine. Still never reached that awakening like so many other girls have where they were instantly able to adjust to everything. Even when I tried dressing more feminine and doing typhical girl things, I felt like a cross dresser. Like a trans woman objectifying womanhood if that makes sense. I felt gross. But in the end I know it's all irrational, like this is probably just due to facing sexual trauma at such a young age before puberty. That and I never liked men to begin with, never had that "omg men >w<" moment like all the other girls. So many times I pretended admiration was attraction, so many times I tried so hard to fit in. Even when it came to sexual trauma though, even those girls are more feminine than me. Even they are straight too. If not, they hate men as a result- which I don't. That's what always trips me up. Puberty felt way more painful than it had to be lol
The one good thing my shitty mom ever done was be transphobic, I was diagnosed with GD and she flipped her shit whenever I tried to be openly trans- forcing me to detransition out of fear. Forcing myself into acceptance. Unintentionally saving me.

Surely if you truly believed you are trapped in the wrong body, you'd come to the same conclusion? What's harder? Transitioning when you know nothing will ever be enough, or accepting who you are and your current situation? Granted, whem I did ID as trans I was pretty sexist toward women. So yeah I really don't think, good intentions or not aside. that there's such thing as a non sexist/ non homophobic trans person. You exist only fueled by sterotypes, you cannot even describe what is a woman or a man. What makes you feel like a man or a woman? They can't answer that without steortypes, and at least for me I couldn't answer that question in general.
 
I feel like most troons missed out on the childhood/adolescent lesson of “love yourself for who you are.” I can guarantee most people are not entirely happy with themselves or how they look.
Nailed it.

I think another thing that they forget is it's genuinely possible to come to appreciate the flaws of your body. I'm sure there's more than 1 person here who has a scar that's pretty ugly, but they don't mind. Maybe because it has a good story behind it or just because they don't care about that sort of thing. A crooked nose might not be conventionally attractive but it can make a person unique, and that in itself is its own form of attractiveness, especially if the crooked nose haver is confident anyway.
What’s the solution? Accept reality and learn to appreciate what you have, who you are, and focus on what you want to accomplish.
Troons make the mistake of viewing transition as their accomplishment. Denial of reality is the accomplishment.
 
Not sure if this was ever discussed but someone brought up a good point about the absurdity of trans being celebrated on another site where these nannies were celebrating a kid being gender confused.Even if you buy into true trans being a real thing why would you think that's good news?
Kid: "I was born in the wrong body" TRA:"OMG THAT'S GREAT NEWS!!!" Like congratulations for being born wrong i guess?Now you'll have to be a medical patient for life, and take these drugs for the rest of it otherwise you'll kill yourself.Also god forbid you get misgendered or a tiny issue will make you dysphoric to the point where suicidal thoughts come back.I know TRAs hate comparing being trans to other mental illnesses , but imagine if these same people celebrated schizophrenic people with "Yes man!Its so exciting that you can hear voices in your head!"This is why trans pride is an oxymoron. "I'm proud that i was born wrong. "
 
Kid: "I was born in the wrong body" TRA:"OMG THAT'S GREAT NEWS!!!" Like congratulations for being born wrong i guess?Now you'll have to be a medical patient for life, and take these drugs for the rest of it otherwise you'll kill yourself.Also god forbid you get misgendered or a tiny issue will make you dysphoric to the point where suicidal thoughts come back.I know TRAs hate comparing being trans to other mental illnesses , but imagine if these same people celebrated schizophrenic people with "Yes man!Its so exciting that you can hear voices in your head!"This is why trans pride is an oxymoron. "I'm proud that i was born wrong. "
They'd probably counter this by hiding behind the gay community and comparing this to homophobes saying gays are born wrong. But gays don't insist that you need drugs and surgery to affirm your gayness. They just think you need to learn to exist whilst accepting that this is the way you are.
 
Not sure if this was ever discussed but someone brought up a good point about the absurdity of trans being celebrated on another site where these nannies were celebrating a kid being gender confused.Even if you buy into true trans being a real thing why would you think that's good news?
Kid: "I was born in the wrong body" TRA:"OMG THAT'S GREAT NEWS!!!" Like congratulations for being born wrong i guess?Now you'll have to be a medical patient for life, and take these drugs for the rest of it otherwise you'll kill yourself.Also god forbid you get misgendered or a tiny issue will make you dysphoric to the point where suicidal thoughts come back.I know TRAs hate comparing being trans to other mental illnesses , but imagine if these same people celebrated schizophrenic people with "Yes man!Its so exciting that you can hear voices in your head!"This is why trans pride is an oxymoron. "I'm proud that i was born wrong. "
The worst part is is that somehow these grown adults have been convinced that being trans is real so instead of just telling a kid “No.” they actively brainwash the kid into believing in an unobtainable, unrealistic reality. Which as a kid they most certainly will. I honestly have no idea how we got to this point in such a short time.

When I was 4 my mom asked me what I wanted to be when I grew up, I said a dog. “Honey you can’t be a dog when you grow up that’s not how it works.” So I said oh okay then I want to be a dinosaur. Again the answer was that it isn’t physically possible. I was a little surprised but it made sense to me and that was the end of that.

Kids are retarded, they don’t understand reality as they’ve only been living in it for a short time with an underdeveloped brain. As a parent it’s your responsibility to guide your child and give them the tools they need to survive in the real world, y’know kinda how our whole species is set up continue on for generations? It boggles my mind how such a sizeable portion of grown ass adults have been so convinced of trooning out being true and honest that they will actively ruin their child’s quality of life and sense of self for years, if not a lifetime.
 
Not sure if this was ever discussed but someone brought up a good point about the absurdity of trans being celebrated on another site where these nannies were celebrating a kid being gender confused.Even if you buy into true trans being a real thing why would you think that's good news?
Kid: "I was born in the wrong body" TRA:"OMG THAT'S GREAT NEWS!!!" Like congratulations for being born wrong i guess?Now you'll have to be a medical patient for life, and take these drugs for the rest of it otherwise you'll kill yourself.Also god forbid you get misgendered or a tiny issue will make you dysphoric to the point where suicidal thoughts come back.I know TRAs hate comparing being trans to other mental illnesses , but imagine if these same people celebrated schizophrenic people with "Yes man!Its so exciting that you can hear voices in your head!"This is why trans pride is an oxymoron. "I'm proud that i was born wrong. "
That's what irks me about all this. You're essentially telling kids that say this stuff that they have to shell out huge sums of money for surgeries and hormones that don't work. You're essentially setting these kids up for a life of misery.
 
know TRAs hate comparing being trans to other mental illnesses , but imagine if these same people celebrated schizophrenic people with "Yes man!Its so exciting that you can hear voices in your head!"
Your argument is a good one, but that movement exists. It's called Mad Pride. There are also "Hearing Voices" groups/support groups, for people who hear voices but don't go with the whole medicalized vibe about it.

Kids are retarded, they don’t understand reality as they’ve only been living in it for a short time with an underdeveloped brain. As a parent it’s your responsibility to guide your child and give them the tools they need to survive in the real world, y’know kinda how our whole species is set up continue on for generations?
Troonery is like if the government said it was illegal for anyone to make fun of middle-school goths, but it's also a lot like the Indigo Children. Not a lot of Indigo Children these days; almost like it was a fad for parents who like a certain flavor of attention.
 
Your argument is a good one, but that movement exists. It's called Mad Pride. There are also "Hearing Voices" groups/support groups, for people who hear voices but don't go with the whole medicalized vibe about it.
Honestly Mad Pride has more validity than transgenderism. They are not downing peoples' throats with "NO, my reality is the TRUE REALITY and you are terrible for saying otherwise". From what I understand, it's people tired of the mental health field's bs. I totally get that. If you ever focused on spiritual growth regarding self improvement, you'd find most mental issues can be fixed through simple life style changes instead of cramming down medication and talking with a do-nothing therapist every other week. Their approach toward schizophrenia is literally to just affirm their delusions or throw meds at them or to simply lock them up in a ward. Sure, the ward part might be helpful in some cases. But damn. The psychiatric industry gets people hooked on the possibility of being "cured" rather than being self sulficiant and having self acceptance for when problems arise.
 
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