Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

[Susanna]

The Wiesel's greatest strength is "it's cute". I'm sure this time they've found the Wunderwaffe to really turn the tides.

 

[Sexual Chocolate]

Latest wunderwaffle obtained by Ukraine is a formerly demilitarized Wiesel tankette.

These things are mobile coffins against ubiquitous FPV drones, helicopters, mines and artillery fire.

 

[There Is Light At The End]

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Depends on how fast it is. Can, probably dodge some artillery fire, but will be blown by mines

 

[Meh123]

There is basically zero objects we can lift into space that could handle a fragment of metal the size of a shoe moving at 10 miles per second smashing into it. This is one of those situations that literally every actor involved agrees that the slim chance of blinding the opposition is not worth the future potential of space exploration being denied for eternity. The agreement not to weaponize space is one of the most prudent things ever put on paper and we can only pray that assholes abide by it.

Not to mention that comms satellites can and being jammed and blinded -> this already caused problems to hohols, when their smort weapons lost gps signal, and reverted to being very expensive dumb weapons.

There are easier ways to disable a satellite than causing a kessler syndrome.

Depends on how fast it is. Can, probably dodge some artillery fire, but will be blown by mines

Or an RPG

 

[Rubick]

Depends on how fast it is. Can, probably dodge some artillery fire, but will be blown by mines

Nah, it'll offer protection from splinters from small mortars(81/82 mm) even at close range. But this thing will be very much susceptible to 152 mm shell splinters event at more extreme far ranges.

Edit

For example sake a BMP-1 for it's day was actually well protected. But even it was only really protected against artillery caliber splinters below 152/155 mm shells. (Mind most common tube arty of NATO's and WarPack artillery parks at that time was below 152/155 mm caliber.)


And even then BMP-1 didn't quite in the test check this box. Hence the BMP-2 which despite the populaire believe ain't a BMP-1 with a 30 mm caliber turret. BMP-2 was better protected all around against splinters below 152/155 shells and at shorter ranges.

 

[Gondola Enjoyer]

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It pretty much fills the same role as the AMX-10 RCRs that Ukraine got a bunch of at the start of the year, then proceeded to charge across fields before getting obliterated by machine gun fire. Surely, it'll go better this time. I mean, it can't go worse, you only lose two dudes per vehicle vaporized with the Wiesel instead of four. Or maybe six, because they're somehow putting more people than required into their other tanks.

 

[Sexual Chocolate]

Depends on how fast it is. Can, probably dodge some artillery fire, but will be blown by mines

Dude, if they want to play dodgeball with Russian artillery, they might as well fight in Toyota technicals - they're faster, easier to repair, and wouldn't necessarily be identified as a military vehicle immediately. (Russia will still find and then kill them tho)

One of the main lessons of this war is that even MBT's are highly vulnerable in a modern war. Enough Bradleys, MRAPs and whatnot have been destroyed in Ukraine to put the future of lightly armored vehicles in doubt. You wouldn't want anybody you care about going to war in a tankette.

It also occurs to me that the German paratrooper bragging on his Weasels comes from a country that hasn't won a war since 1871:

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

There is basically zero objects we can lift into space that could handle a fragment of metal the size of a shoe moving at 10 miles per second smashing into it. This is one of those situations that literally every actor involved agrees that the slim chance of blinding the opposition is not worth the future potential of space exploration being denied for eternity. The agreement not to weaponize space is one of the most prudent things ever put on paper and we can only pray that assholes abide by it.

10 miles per second is a wrong stat, the maximum possible currently is about 8.6 miles per second (14 km/s) and the usual speed is like 6 miles per second. Not that it matters anyway since Falcon Heavy can launch 63 tons to low Earth orbit. That's 62 tons of armor plating and 1 ton of satellite, and SLS and Starship can lift even more. Or considering that a rocket doesn't spend long passing through low earth orbit, the cargo can just be put into a higher orbit where little debris exists yet. Like I said, this would be the single best thing for space exploration in history since it gives a blank slate for innovation while denying the glowniggers some of their toys.

And even if nobody gets into space again, that's a good thing given the many horrible things people dream of creating in space like space colonies (WEF-style bughives), which would inevitably be great places to make killer AI, superplagues (or just Wuflu-style scamdemics), etc. Space exploration is a waste of money anyway. The Artemis program is a 93 billion dollar waste of tax money so NASA can put nigs and wahmen on the Moon.

 

[Mr Komo]

10 miles per second is a wrong stat, the maximum possible currently is about 8.6 miles per second (14 km/s) and the usual speed is like 6 miles per second. Not that it matters anyway since Falcon Heavy can launch 63 tons to low Earth orbit. That's 62 tons of armor plating and 1 ton of satellite, and SLS and Starship can lift even more.

Congrats, you just made the delivery of 1 kilo of payload to orbit 60+ times more expensive, you absolute walnut.

And even if nobody gets into space again, that's a good thing given the many horrible things people dream of creating in space like space colonies (WEF-style bughives), which would inevitably be great places to make killer AI, superplagues (or just Wuflu-style scamdemics), etc. Space exploration is a waste of money anyway. The Artemis program is a 93 billion dollar waste of tax money so NASA can put nigs and wahmen on the Moon.

The main benefit of going to and colonizing space is not being wiped out by a single cataclysm because Earth rolled a nat 1 and hit a spec of dust at the relative speed of 2c or some retard decided to shoot the current year Franz Ferdinand.

Think about what happens to any animal that was retarded enough to only live in one place and requires a very strict diet and environment and can be made extinct by a couple shitbox bulldozers or a few braindead poachers with shotguns.

Not going to space means following the Georgian guidestones in the long run or being dead.

 

[Useful_Mistake]

Some in the U.S. military want Ukraine to pursue a “hold and build” strategy — to focus on holding the territory it has and building its ability to produce weapons over 2024. The United States believes the strategy will improve Ukraine’s self-sufficiency and ensure Kyiv is in a position to repel any new Russian drive.

This is not, by itself, a bad strategy if you can afford to implement it. Problem is that even when Ukraine is on the defensive, they are slowly but surely being pushed. And, of course, this doesn't work really well if the country you are fighting massively outproduces you in the essentials. I could see this working in the West (Germany, France) for a well equipped spec ops attack to break the war; that has potential to work in the West. But as this war (and history) has shown, such tactics don't work very well on the Eastern front for many reasons including the sheer size.

At any rate, if Ukraine wanted to implement this, they'd have to go on the defensive now, and build up fortifications deep behind their lines. The strategy would be not to hold, but to delay Russia until the fortifications are finished. Assuming lack of encirclements and bombings (of the fortifications), problem remains that Russia has shown it can defeat fortifications in ~year or so. Bakhmut only survived nearly 7 months, and Avdiivka is close to falling too (with Russia only having started their attack once the counter offensive had failed)

So, to sum up, best case scenario, this buys them ~7 months, plus however long they can delay Russia for. But how much fortifications can you build in a handful of months? Fortifications of Bakhmut started in 1571, and they were upgraded twice in 1700's. For Avdiivka, the fortifications started in 2016. Therefore, using these two examples, we can be certain that even in the best case scenario, Ukraine wouldn't get the same mileage as from Bakhmut and Avdiivka

The goal would be to create enough of a credible threat that Russia might consider engaging in meaningful negotiations at the end of next year or in 2025.

Russia has long since been willing to negotiate, but not surrender.

One Ukrainian former senior military official declined to discuss the proposals but said the new plan is being refined and is “very daring.”

It's really a bad sign when your plan can best be described as "daring" and seeking "symbolic victories." Krynky offensive was both, but not even BBC can put a positive spin on that.

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"Former German paratrooper"

Elaborate, please. If you fought in last German war, you'd be ~100 now, so I'm calling bull.

Anyway, on to some neeeews:
"Zelensky met with US arms manufacturers yesterday in Washington, DC"

https://archive.ph/APVqJ

https://archive.ph/cGsT3

You'll enjoy this article full of contradictions:

https://archive.ph/0i0zm

https://archive.ph/RYUut

https://archive.ph/mU4ha

And Crème de la crème, is of course, saved for last. UK asserts THAT NOT EVEN RUSSIA knows how many men Russia has lost

https://archive.ph/tjv8X

 

[Sister Miriam Godwinson]

And Crème de la crème, is of course, saved for last. UK asserts THAT NOT EVEN RUSSIA knows how many men Russia has lost

As opposed to what, the true and honest Western game jurnalists who have been non-stop claiming Russia had lost for almost two years now? Those paragons of unbiased reporting and professional integrity?

 

[Buck Breaking SS]

I just find it hilarious how the globohomo media names the SMO (PUTIN'S WAR OF AGGRESSION, PUTIN'S RUSSIA). Remember that scene in Nightcrawler where a reporter was forced to add emotional diarrhea to frighten the audience?
I propose they change it to "NEO HITLER'S ELVEN GENOCIDE".

 

[Eternal Gopnik]

I just find it hilarious how the globohomo media names the SMO (PUTIN'S WAR OF AGGRESSION, PUTIN'S RUSSIA). Remember that scene in Nightcrawler where a reporter was forced to add emotional diarrhea to frighten the audience?
I propose they change it to "NEO HITLER'S ELVEN GENOCIDE".

Last year I remember seeing an article about some arms expo in the Middle East, like Saudi Arabia or something. Completely unrelated to Ukraine, thousands of miles away. The first paragraph was the author whining about how ze RuZZians were allowed to display their tech and noone cared.

I'm from a post-commie country and I remember reading old newspaper articles from pre-1990, it was the same shit - constantly bemoaning "imperialist aggression in Indochina" and "Reagan's warmongering" and shit - and now I open any news and the same type of verbal diarrhea pours out. 35+ years later and we're back where we were. God I love liberal democracy.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

some neeeews:

Who does this polack kike think he is to tell anyone outside Poland anything? He better calm the fuck down before Poland gets partitioned again.

 

[Useful_Mistake]

Who does this polack kike think he is to tell anyone outside Poland anything? He better calm the fuck down before Poland gets partitioned again.

So, when is he volunteering to go fight in Ukraine? I mean, surely he is willing to lead by example like Russian generals?

 

[Strix454]

Former German paratrooper"

Elaborate, please. If you fought in last German war, you'd be ~100 now, so I'm calling bull.

The modern Bundeswehr "paratrooper" battalions tend to get sent overseas or to whatever dumb "peacekeeping" missions are going on. They were deployed to Somalia. They have been deployed the balkans. They were also in Afghanistan. But they have only ever been used (IMO) as light infantry against usually poorly equipped insurgents. The Wiesel tankettes were somewhat effective for them in that role.
But none of it would be effective in real combat against a properly trained and equipped opponent.

 

[Badungus Kabungus]

At this point Ukraine should be more concerned about the impending Polish invasion.

Funniest variant of events: Azov commanders execute Zelensky's British handlers and arrest the clown himself on live TV, then immediately proceed to ask Putin for help defending their western border from Polish land bandits.

 

[Ancient Pioneer]

https://archive.ph/RYUut

What a surprise, globalist leaders instantly shitting on fellow Europeans to the favor of Africans and Middle Easterners. Ireland is going to fuck with the Ukrainian refugees who would eventually melt into society in a generation or two as their children adopted local customs. Instead they're going to favor lightbulb head fucks from Somalia who never melt into society since they're a visible ethnic group.

 

[Useful_Mistake]

Zelensky wants to increase conscription to 40. Average age of Ukraine military man is already 43

https://ghostarchive.org/archive/5gXxV?wr=true

https://ghostarchive.org/archive/yUxCR

US asserts that Russia has no men or equipment but is still making gains, and still believes it can win

https://ghostarchive.org/archive/HGZ3v?wr=true

 

[ForTheHoard]

Does "deadlock" mean Russia took the territory they wanted a year and a half ago and are now just holding it until Ukraine stops trying to take it back?