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Public domain at least would have let a whole new slough of people to come up with their own ideas, for better or for worse. Let the market go where it will and let the fans choose what they like.
He'd get nothing for Public Domain, although that would be the charitable thing to do.

I also like the idea of Lucas mentoring someone and, after all is said and done, basically giving them his blessing saying, "This guy is basically going to be me after I die. Star Wars is his baby now."
He did that with KK after KK promised to take care of his baby, and she betrayed him.

You, of course, since you know everything and everyone else is clearly wrong.
I don't have the money. Even if I wanted to, and yes, I definitely would want to, I can't pay the man his four billion bones that he'll throw to charity.

Again, people who have no idea of the culure in the early 2010s during the sale should keep their mouths shut. ''HURR DURR LUCAS SHOULD'VE NEVER SOLD'' is easy to say now, but not so easy back in those years. You guys are forgetting the climate of the early 2010s. Lucas hate was still strong in the internet thanks to online critics like RLM, so any successor he trains, who keeps doing what he does, would just get hated. Not to mention that a lot of dumb, easily-impressed people were all hailing the MCU as this great thing, and Disney's done more than several well-loved films, so even if Lucas wasn't selling to Disney, you'd get a lot of morons saying that he should sell the farm to Disney.
 
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He did that with KK after KK promised to take care of his baby, and she betrayed him.

Until I hear it from Lucas's own mouth, I refuse to believe KK is doing anything other than what Lucas intended.

I don't have the money.

I was actually joking. It's funny you even thought about it and took it seriously.
 
Until I hear it from Lucas's own mouth, I refuse to believe KK is don't anything other than what Lucas intended.



Lucas thought KK would carry out his Sequel plans and preserve the EU. Under KK, Disney Lucasfilm threw away both, and Lucas openly attacked TFA as a bland repeat of previous work.

I was actually joking. It's funny you even thought about it and took it seriously.
You really can't tell sarcasm, can't you?
 
Like who? There was no one big enough to buy Lucasfilm who had the vision of a film-maker at the time. That, and a lot of loud, obnoxious, stupid people at the time thought Disney was a good company to sell to, what with their in-house movies and the MCU making mint at the time of the Lucasfilm sale.
I think he meant a new and upcoming guy. At least on the creative side. I am sure he would have had a list of potential successors, because Lucas is a movie nerd and possibly watched more movies than the whole thread combined. lol

Public domain at least would have let a whole new slough of people to come up with their own ideas, for better or for worse. Let the market go where it will and let the fans choose what they like.
I honestly want to see something like happen. It would be crazy.

I also like the idea of Lucas mentoring someone and, after all is said and done, basically giving them his blessing saying, "This guy is basically going to be me after I die. Star Wars is his baby now."
Hell, even somebody managing the property like Tolkien's family did for a while can do wonders.
 
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Lucas thought KK would carry out his Sequel plans and preserve the EU. Under KK, Disney Lucasfilm threw away both, and Lucas openly attacked TFA as a bland repeat of previous work.

Sorry, but your clickbait Leftoid Huffpo piece isn't saying what you think it's saying. None of what he says indicates a betrayal at all. Lucas just said what Disney is doing isn't what he would have done. He isn't saying it's bad or it betrays his vision, just that he would have done things differently. You (and these libtards) are just putting words in his mouth.

His vision stopped at six films. Nothing was betrayed. Fans feeling "betrayed" doesn't mean Lucas cares about their parasocial relationship with him. He is letting the people he sold them to do what they want with it. "White Slavers" was also obviously tongue-in-cheek too. Lucas is funny like that.

You really can't tell sarcasm, can't you?

Not when it's as lengthy as your responses, no.

I think he meant a new and upcoming guy. At least on the creative side. I am sure he would have had a list of potential successors, because Lucas is a movie nerd and possibly watched more movies than the whole thread combined. lol

Yeah, was thinking some younger dude. Lucas knows a lot of people and it might've done him some good to mentor several of them, even. But mentoring takes work and effort, and it's a lot easier just to sell your babies for millions of dollars so you can sit back, relax, and sip on that sweet, sweet coffee while your museum gets built.
 
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Sorry, but your clickbait Leftoid Huffpo piece isn't saying what you think it's saying. None of what he says indicates a betrayal at all. Lucas just said what Disney is doing isn't what he would have done. He isn't saying it's bad or it betrays his vision, just that he would have done things differently. You (and these libtards) are just putting words in his mouth.
Lucas had plans for the Sequels that Disney threw out. How could you not know this?


Damn, man. This is basic stuff.

"White Slavers" was also obviously tongue-in-cheek too. Lucas is funny like that.
That was not tongue in cheek. That was a hostile insult. To the point where Disney got offended and Lucas had to apologize.
 
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Hera was entirely in the right but the way she went about doing things was incredibly stupid, so in the end it's her own fault that she got herself into shit. The idea of the New Republic going to shit immediately because Mothma just wanted to go back to the days immediately before the Empire and the galaxy turning back into the lawless shithole it was before the Clone Wars happened is a decent one if you have to explain the Republic becoming entiely ineffectual in the course of a couple decades, but it requires a writer who's both willing and able to tackle the fact that the thing that your main characters fought for has become gay as fuck and doesn't want them around any more; Filoni is not that writer. He lacks the knowledge base, grit and worldlines required to write a story like that and actually pull it off, this also means that he'll never be able to write a character as based as pic related despite the fact that such a character would doubtlessly exist in the situation he's written himself into.

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Hera was entirely in the right but the way she went about doing things was incredibly stupid, so in the end it's her own fault that she got herself into shit. The idea of the New Republic going to shit immediately because Mothma just wanted to go back to the days immediately before the Empire and the galaxy turning back into the lawless shithole it was before the Clone Wars happened is a decent one if you have to explain the Republic becoming entiely ineffectual in the course of a couple decades, but it requires a writer who's both willing and able to tackle the fact that the thing that your main characters fought for has become gay as fuck and doesn't want them around any more; Filoni is not that writer. He lacks the knowledge base, grit and worldlines required to write a story like that and actually pull it off, this also means that he'll never be able to write a character as based as pic related despite the fact that such a character would doubtlessly exist in the situation he's written himself into.

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The right thing for the Alliance to have done was keep the large military and bureaucracy system of the Empire, and slowly turn it in favor of the people, by having a new Imperial Senate be convened by senators elected by the people. Have each Moff hold an election to have senatorial representatives be elected into office, and have them make the big decisions on what should be done, but keep the strong government system so that you can fix problems quickly. Instead of having a confederacy, which is what Mon Mothma's New Republic and the Old Republic were, they needed a strong federal government that could either be a democracy or a monarchy, but it needs to be strong enough to act quickly to solve problems.

An ideal SW government would have the efficiency and strength of the Empire with the spiritual clarity of someone like Qui-Gon Jinn or Satele Shan.
 
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I kinda wished that he lived to see the Empire days like HK-47 did. I'd imagine he'd probably try to upload his consciousness into the second Death Star like IG-88 did.
HK would have just said that he had gotten way too fat.
Okay okay I'm starting to get slightly interested in plunking down 9.99 each for KOTOR and KOTOR 2 and seeing what's up

Maybe

Knowing me, if I do I will play KOTOR for like 2 hours and lose interest. But maybe not! Just like with BG3 sadge but much cheaper

If you don't like either, give the mmo a free trial. Its more fast paced. It isn't a great mmo but it has a few decent storylines, and you can easily beat the original story content without needing a subscription. It is the best story part of the game too.

The Imperial Agent, Sith Warrior, Sith Inquisitor and Jedi Knights are generally praised.

If you want free kotor stuff, it is good enough, and you don't need to touch the mmo parts for it. The old content had been made easy.
 
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HK would have just said that he had gotten way too fat.
Imagine G0-T0 as the Death Star. That would've been the grounds for the fat joke of the millennium.

If you don't like either, give the mmo a free trial. Its more fast paced. It isn't a great mmo but it has a few decent storylines, and you can easily beat the original story content without needing a subscription. It is the best story part of the game too.

The Imperial Agent, Sith Warrior, Sith Inquisitor and Jedi Knights are generally praised.
The Sith Warrior, Sith Inquisitor, and Imperial Agent stories are practically the best stories in SWTOR. The Jedi Knight is just way too much of a standard hero thing with not much in the way of introspection, the Consular story balances out standard hero stuff with some politics, and the rest, well, it's mostly just ''go here and blow up X to progress''. It is kind of funny to tell Mandalore to stuff it in the Bounty Hunter story, though.........
 
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In Star Wars discourse, I've seen people bringing up the earlier "somehow, Palpatine returned", Dark Empire. Which is funny, many people considered it to be one of the worst runs of anything in any media from the old Star Wars EU to the point where there were those who would for years bring it up as a reason to justify getting rid of the EU altogether. Sure, it had it's fans, some people liked it, but it was far more controversial compared to other Expanded Universe projects like Shadows of the Empire or Rogue Squadron or Knights of the Old Republic. Years before the sequel trilogy, it was seen as undoing a lot of what was accomplished by the heroes of the original trilogy and a lot of people working in the EU just ignored it, since it proved thorny for continuity, coming out around the time of the Thrawn trilogy.

And eventually the brain trust running SW managed, without intending to, take the dumbest part and make it "canon" in a dumber way. I've heard folks claiming TRoS was a "stealth" adaption of Dark Empire, though if it truly were it'd have probably been more entertaining. The very middling 80s-90s EU comic writing and Sheev clones aside, there were some crazy concepts in there, including the World Devastators that ended up in the Rogue Squadron game. One thing I miss about the old EU or sorry "Legends" was that even the worst EU content could (though I emphasize "could") introduce really great ideas, designs, characters. There could be a lot of creativity and variety within the old EU playing fields, unlike the Disney Star Wars gray slop.
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In Star Wars discourse, I've seen people bringing up the earlier "somehow, Palpatine returned", Dark Empire. Which is funny, many people considered it to be one of the worst runs of anything in any media from the old Star Wars EU to the point where there were those who would for years bring it up as a reason to justify getting rid of the EU altogether. Sure, it had it's fans, some people liked it, but it was far more controversial compared to other Expanded Universe projects like Shadows of the Empire or Rogue Squadron or Knights of the Old Republic. Years before the sequel trilogy, it was seen as undoing a lot of what was accomplished by the heroes of the original trilogy and a lot of people working in the EU just ignored it, since it proved thorny for continuity, coming out around the time of the Thrawn trilogy.

And eventually the brain trust running SW managed, without intending to, take the dumbest part and make it "canon" in a dumber way. I've heard folks claiming TRoS was a "stealth" adaption of Dark Empire, though if it truly were it'd have probably been more entertaining. The very middling 80s-90s EU comic writing and Sheev clones aside, there were some crazy concepts in there, including the World Devastators that ended up in the Rogue Squadron game. One thing I miss about the old EU or sorry "Legends" was that even the worst EU content could (though I emphasize "could") introduce really great ideas, designs, characters. There could be a lot of creativity and variety within the old EU playing fields, unlike the Disney Star Wars gray slop.
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Yeah it was funny reading the EU novels that took place after Dark Empire and basically all of them either completely ignored Dark Empire or ignored it as much as possible
 
Yeah it was funny reading the EU novels that took place after Dark Empire and basically all of them either completely ignored Dark Empire or ignored it as much as possible
When I come to think of it it's just a really dumb move because it undercuts Vader's final action which finally defeats the empire but most of all Palpatine isn't really a great character. I mean not a diss at Ian he did has best he could with what was given to him, but Palpatine's arc in Star Wars is basically being the Wicked Queen from Snow White complete with turning himself into an ugly hag. And then like the Queen he falls to his death.

If I was going to be a hacky writer and retcon any bad guy's death besides Boba Fett I'd reveal Tarkin survive the Death Star's explosion. Tarkin is such a cooler antagonist being played by an iconic actor but the fact that he tells Vader what to do despite not being a force user.
 
When I come to think of it it's just a really dumb move because it undercuts Vader's final action which finally defeats the empire but most of all Palpatine isn't really a great character. I mean not a diss at Ian he did has best he could with what was given to him, but Palpatine's arc in Star Wars is basically being the Wicked Queen from Snow White complete with turning himself into an ugly hag. And then like the Queen he falls to his death.

If I was going to be a hacky writer and retcon any bad guy's death besides Boba Fett I'd reveal Tarkin survive the Death Star's explosion. Tarkin is such a cooler antagonist being played by an iconic actor but the fact that he tells Vader what to do despite not being a force user.

Death Star was a pretty cool guy. Eh bossed Vader around didn't afraid of anything in his moment of triumph.
 
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In Star Wars discourse, I've seen people bringing up the earlier "somehow, Palpatine returned", Dark Empire. Which is funny, many people considered it to be one of the worst runs of anything in any media from the old Star Wars EU to the point where there were those who would for years bring it up as a reason to justify getting rid of the EU altogether. Sure, it had it's fans, some people liked it, but it was far more controversial compared to other Expanded Universe projects like Shadows of the Empire or Rogue Squadron or Knights of the Old Republic. Years before the sequel trilogy, it was seen as undoing a lot of what was accomplished by the heroes of the original trilogy and a lot of people working in the EU just ignored it, since it proved thorny for continuity, coming out around the time of the Thrawn trilogy.

And eventually the brain trust running SW managed, without intending to, take the dumbest part and make it "canon" in a dumber way. I've heard folks claiming TRoS was a "stealth" adaption of Dark Empire, though if it truly were it'd have probably been more entertaining. The very middling 80s-90s EU comic writing and Sheev clones aside, there were some crazy concepts in there, including the World Devastators that ended up in the Rogue Squadron game. One thing I miss about the old EU or sorry "Legends" was that even the worst EU content could (though I emphasize "could") introduce really great ideas, designs, characters. There could be a lot of creativity and variety within the old EU playing fields, unlike the Disney Star Wars gray slop.
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I still remember being a wee lad and discovering my local library had a bunch of the old Essential Guides. Not knowing a thing about the EU, I was fascinated by every page I turned to, with some cool droid or ship or weapon meticulously described and drawn out. I loved how much bigger it made the Star Wars universe feel to me, from the evolution of the R-series astromechs to the million TIE variants to all the different planets that sparked my imagination.

Say what you will about the story itself, but to this day, anything related to Dark Empire tickles that part of my soul. World Devastators, the SD-9/10 stormtrooper-esque mechs, Shadow Droids, the Galaxy Gun...all of those just screamed "fucking cool" to me then and now. Nothing more so than the Eclipse, though, a big ol' SSD with a BFG in the front. Disney will never be able to top that design.
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If I was going to be a hacky writer and retcon any bad guy's death besides Boba Fett I'd reveal Tarkin survive the Death Star's explosion. Tarkin is such a cooler antagonist being played by an iconic actor but the fact that he tells Vader what to do despite not being a force user.
Tarkin's basedness grants him a power far transcending the Force, when the Death Star explodes the based energy field surrounds and protects him until he gets picked up by Imperial ships responding to the disaster. Tarkin then goes to Imperial Center, calls Palpy and Vader little bitches, takes over the Empire and crushes the Rebellion

Hey Disney you own Marvel now I just made up a great What If? comic for you, where's my money
 
I never had a problem with Dark Empire. It really fits the dark fantasy aesthetic of the Sith, and Vader's Chosen One prophecy was made later, and it was about restoring balance, not eradicating darkness for good. Not to mention that for all its power, Palpatine's new empire in the comic isn't as strong as his old one from the films; the comic begins with the Imperials having mutineers among their ranks, they have problems keeping weapons manufacturers like Balmorra loyal, and they're over-reliant on superweapons to keep the Alliance at bay.

So what Vader did on Endor still fucked them up beyond repair, and Palpatine has to keep relying on these superweapons and Dark Side sorcery to keep up the facade that he's in charge. And that facade falls apart when he loses control of Luke and Luke turns his Force storm against him. From then on in, it's only a matter of time before he loses outright, which he eventually does. In fact, he loses so badly, the Sith spirits mock him and call him a little bitch. He then goes to get a vessel from the Skywalkers after his clone bodies started failing, which predictably ends with his death.
 
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Lucas had plans for the Sequels that Disney threw out. How could you not know this?

Because Lucas has always been inconsistent. The previous article you mentioned even had him saying he didn't even want to do more movies because of family...until he did. But because you don't actually read the pieces you post and just subjectively take whatever the journos push, you're left believing whatever you want to believe and try to cite it as gospel. He didn't want to do the ST...until he did. How could you not know this?

Oh, right, you just lean heavily on clickbait articles and you don't actually listen to any of the contradictions. You have Tik Tok brain.

That was not tongue in cheek.

It was, and it was funny as hell.

In Star Wars discourse, I've seen people bringing up the earlier "somehow, Palpatine returned", Dark Empire. Which is funny, many people considered it to be one of the worst runs of anything in any media from the old Star Wars EU to the point where there were those who would for years bring it up as a reason to justify getting rid of the EU altogether. Sure, it had it's fans, some people liked it, but it was far more controversial compared to other Expanded Universe projects like Shadows of the Empire or Rogue Squadron or Knights of the Old Republic. Years before the sequel trilogy, it was seen as undoing a lot of what was accomplished by the heroes of the original trilogy and a lot of people working in the EU just ignored it, since it proved thorny for continuity, coming out around the time of the Thrawn trilogy.

And eventually the brain trust running SW managed, without intending to, take the dumbest part and make it "canon" in a dumber way. I've heard folks claiming TRoS was a "stealth" adaption of Dark Empire, though if it truly were it'd have probably been more entertaining. The very middling 80s-90s EU comic writing and Sheev clones aside, there were some crazy concepts in there, including the World Devastators that ended up in the Rogue Squadron game. One thing I miss about the old EU or sorry "Legends" was that even the worst EU content could (though I emphasize "could") introduce really great ideas, designs, characters. There could be a lot of creativity and variety within the old EU playing fields, unlike the Disney Star Wars gray slop.
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Because even in those days, people realized there wasn't much left to do with the series. I believe Disney is reaching the same conclusion. A lot of Star Wars fans don't want to admit this, but if you take the fandom in any direction other than repeating the same formula, the fandom will shrink. Generally speaking, people want things to be simple and straight-forward and any complications make them uncomfortable an uneasy. So the same patterns are reproduced over and over again ad infinitum.

Nothing more so than the Eclipse, though, a big ol' SSD with a BFG in the front.

You could set a Star Trek-esque television show in one of these. That ship is the size of a small city.

Tarkin's basedness grants him a power far transcending the Force, when the Death Star explodes the based energy field surrounds and protects him until he gets picked up by Imperial ships responding to the disaster. Tarkin then goes to Imperial Center, calls Palpy and Vader little bitches, takes over the Empire and crushes the Rebellion

Hey Disney you own Marvel now I just made up a great What If? comic for you, where's my money

This adds to my previous comments about how the Force didn't work the way it used to in the OT as it did later on. The secular government forces overrode the magical religious forces of the galaxy.
 
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Because Lucas has always been inconsistent. The previous article you mentioned even had him saying he didn't even want to do more movies because of family...until he did. But because you don't actually read the pieces you post and just subjectively take whatever the journos push, you're left believing whatever you want to believe and try to cite it as gospel. He didn't want to do the ST...until he did. How could you not know this?

Oh, right, you just lean heavily on clickbait articles and you don't actually listen to any of the contradictions. You have Tik Tok brain.
Or.......let's use our brains here......Lucas is a human being who can change his mind. His original vision was just the six movies, then he wanted to do a sequel series where the New Republic is functioning just fine, except Darth Maul is running a criminal underworld trying to undermine the NR and the good guys fight him. Maybe it's because Lucas isn't a computer or a fictional character that just says what he's told to say, but rather, he's a human being who can change his mind just like everyone else.

It seems like you're the one with the TikTok brain here.

It was, and it was funny as hell.
No it wasn't. And nobody found it funny.

Because even in those days, people realized there wasn't much left to do with the series. I believe Disney is reaching the same conclusion. A lot of Star Wars fans don't want to admit this, but if you take the fandom in any direction other than repeating the same formula, the fandom will shrink. Generally speaking, people want things to be simple and straight-forward and any complications make them uncomfortable an uneasy. So the same patterns are reproduced over and over again ad infinitum.
False. Star Wars was always trying something new. None of the OT films were like each other. ANH was a fun adventure film with elements of Kurosawa, the Old West, and Asimov thrown into the blender. ESB was a gritty war film that shows you what happens when scrappy rebels go face-to-face with a superpower. ROTJ was LOTR in space, complete with the Ewoks being the SW equivalent of the Hobbits, with Endor being a sort of Space-Shire, and Palpatine was their equivalent of Morgoth.

If the franchise doesn't try anything new, it falls apart. The fanbase has always been up for new ideas; most of the fans were OK with the Prequels, only a loud and vocal minority weren't. The EU tried new things like the Old Republic stuff, stories with the Jedi during the time of the Old Republic, they even dipped their toes in the grimdark with the Vong storylines and some of the darker Old Republic stories. Many of these stories have fans to this day. Even the Mandalorian show was a bold step for the live-action canon; making a main character who isn't a Force-user, tied to a culture that's part Iron Man, part Spartan instead, and it worked.

This idea that the fans don't like new ideas is steeped in ignorance and shows how you don't know SW fans. A lot of the EU stuff was experimental; and so were the films, even back in the OT days. Not one of the SW films tried to ape the other.

Take a good look at SWTOR, for instance. The best stories in that game were the Imperial Agent, Sith Warrior, and Sith Inquisitor stories; stories that did not try to ape the films, but rather, tried to create their own path with main characters who have to contend with politicking and backstabbing in a dark fantasy backdrop. There's a reason why most SWTOR players spend more time playing as Imperials than Republic players, because there's just more meat in the sandwich for the Empire stories.

However, the SWTOR campaigns that try to ape the OT, like the Jedi Knight and Smuggler campaigns, were some of the most predictable, bare-bones stories that barely carry through. The Smuggler story would be dead in the water if it wasn't for the humor, and the Jedi Knight story is so basic that it feels shallow killing off the Jedi Exile and Revan just to have a cliche hero succeed where those two titans of the SWEU failed. The Jedi Consular story was interesting because of the politics and the game of chess you're playing with the Children of the Emperor. Then you have the Trooper/Bounty Hunter storylines where it's just ''GO HERE AND BLOW SHIT UP/KILL THIS MORON'' as a plot.

Literally, SWTOR's vanilla campaign shows us that SW needs to improvise and innovate, and when it just sits on its laurels, it becomes forgettable. KOTOR 1 and 2's stories are titans of SWEU storytelling because they tried something radically different and made it work with familiar elements. In the same vein, Kyle Katarn is radically different compared to Luke and the gang; a Jedi mercenary who is no stranger to the Dark Side but still working for the good guys. He's very memorable because he's not a ripoff of previous characters. He's basically the answer to ''what if Darth Vader was a good guy with a Chuck Norris face?'' You also had stories like TIE Fighter, Battlefront 2 classic, and Rogue Leader worked so well because they tackled SW from a strictly military sci-fi aspect, shooing away the clowns for a more serious feel.

Really, saying that SW must stay to familiar waters just goes to show that you haven't been paying attention. THEY HAVE BEEN DOING SO EVEN BEFORE THE SEQUELS TANKED. And guess what, it didn't work. People know when they're being pandered to. They know when the soulless corporation is just dusting off familiar characters like Ahsoka, Boba, Kenobi, and Anakin just for a quick buck. The Boba Fett show suffered because its hero is another good guy instead of the cold, ruthless motherfucker everyone wanted. Kenobi did more of the same for the Jedi, and people hated it. People got tired of Mando's shit in the third season due to his forumla of sidequests having worn out its welcome after the first two seasons. TFA was condemned for relying too much on familiar story beats. Rogue One even got called out by RLM for relying on ANH nostalgia bait.

The key is to innovate while respecting what was already established. That was the secret to the success of the OT and the SWEU. Disney tried to innovate with TLJ but did not respect what came before; in fact, it mocked people for being fans of the OT Jedi, and so people let the franchise to rot. In the same vein, Disney also tried to innovate with Andor, making an everyman story be the main focus of a live-action show, but Andor, unlike TLJ, respected elements of the films and the SWEU by bringing things like the ISB to live-action while tying the prison plotline to the Death Star. And that wound up making even jaded Disney-haters consider Andor to be the sole bright spot in a dark cave.

This adds to my previous comments about how the Force didn't work the way it used to in the OT as it did later on. The secular government forces overrode the magical religious forces of the galaxy.
Are you joking me? From ESB onwards, the Empire's top echelons were infested with religious fanatics. Not only was Vader religious, but so was the Emperor. That makes the admiral who questioned Vader's faith into more of an anomaly. ANH's only secularists were an admiral who believed in the Death Star as if it were some kind of mechanical god like the Numidium from Elder Scrolls, and an ignorant smuggler who got proven wrong almost every time. The Empire was far from a secular organization since its leader was just as religious as Yoda, except he used his powers for evil and self-gain.
 
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