Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

There is some room for negotiation there.
Maybe, perhaps. conceivably before BoJo went to Kiiyv but now? Nah, I'm sure landlocking the Saloreich is part of the plan. The whole "joining NATO" bit may have worked before Merkel and Poroshenko gloated about having agreed to both Minsk I and II as a ruse to arm up the AFU but not now.
 
A bit of insight into how bad the leadership of the US military is can be had from listening to former Liteutenant General Ben Hodges. He is west point. All the right positions in his career. Brigade Commander in the 101st Airborne when the war was launched against Iraq. Rose to become commander of US forces Europe before retiring.

And he is also really stupid.

In September 2022, he was predicting not only russia losing in Ukraine, but the distinigration of the entire Russian Federation.

He was interviewed today by the Times which gave him an opprotunity to talk about strategy for Ukraine.


- Crimea is the key to everything for reasons;.
- Ukraine will destroy the Kerch bridge in 2024 because they have "smart people" who will be able to do it.
- If Crimea is isolated and the Ukrainians target Russian logistics, the collapse and retreat of the Russians is inevitable.
- There are too many children of Russians going to school in Europe. They need to be sent home to make Russians feel the consequences of what they are doing.
- Russian's can't fight at night. Even if given night vision equipment, their lack of proper training to fight at night means they cannot fight at night.
- The Russian army is a zombie horde of untrained people who are just sent by Putin to the front line to die in wave after wave.
- The Russians don't have a logistics system to support a long-term war outside of Russia.
- the Russians have a tradition of stealing and selling military equipment. So frontline units would not have have the equipment issued to them.
- Russia doesn't have a logistics system to provide batteries to the frontlines.
- He believes that the Russian Air force could be forced out of Crimea entirely if Ukraine were given enough missiles.
- He talks about hitting targets at 300-400km not seeming to realize that those targets he talks about are deep inside Russia.
- The US isn't committed to Ukraine winning. If US policy was that Ukraine was going to win, the US would provide the air power necessary to win. The US is too concerned about Russia escalating the war.
- He said that Ukraine needs to fix their "manpower system". There are too many fit Ukrainian men and women (inside and outside Ukraine) not fighting at the front lines.
- The Ukrainians are more tech-savvy people than Russians and they will be able to launch a major cyber warfare campaign in Russian next year.
- For the next few months, Ukraine needs to focus on keeping the pressure on the Russians and try to reach out the Russian people with information.
- Ukraine needs to make more of its own ammunition. He talks about how the nazis were able to grow military production during World War II.
- It amazes him that Europe cannot produce a million shells a year. He talks about how they could do it but asks if they have the will to do it.
- Germans are terrified of the return of Donald Trump and what it would mean to Ukraine.
- The Americans need to stop giving advice to Ukrainian generals like they did during the offensive. If this war had been done right, Ukraine would have been provided with air superiority and enough breaking equipment that they could break through the Russian lines. In other words, he is saying that the great counteroffensive failed because of the Americans.
- Ukraine isn't like the desert where there are multiple axes of advance. There was no choice but to concentrate the entire Ukrainian offensive at one point. I guess this is an explanation of the Robotyne strategy.
 
Tusk going full retard suprises me; the consensus among older people is that Tusk is gonna sell Poland to Russia and Germany simultaneously for... some reason.
Russification is the biggest danger to Poland right now ey? I ve seen it being used during elections as well as the "German bootlicker" thing. Which is funny since you got stuff like this going on...

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Vogue Polska from 2018, since 2022 there is more stuff like this. Polish women look different. I got proof I m married to one. Putting a lady on the cover that does look neither Polish, nor Russian and very far away from German is kinda like making fun of the local ladies to say the least. You would expect from Russification someone with a name like Kusnijtsova, Somarova as the boss of a magazine or something like this. And from Germanification something like Schmidt, Schulz or Mueller. But its just the usual suspects with long crooked noses.

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Same thing with Gazeta Wyborcza and the main Polish TV network TVN (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lex_TVN)

Every. Single. Time.
 
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Ukraine will destroy the Kerch bridge in 2024 because they have "smart people" who will be able to do it.
What is the fixation with this bridge? I've read that Russia had no problem supplying Crimea before it was even built and it isn't used for military supply now. They've hit the thing several times and it's never been more than a mild inconvenience.
 
What is the fixation with this bridge? I've read that Russia had no problem supplying Crimea before it was even built and it isn't used for military supply now. They've hit the thing several times and it's never been more than a mild inconvenience.

The railroads in southern Ukraine don't currently support east-west traffic from Russia well due to their routes and where the frontlines are. In particular there is gap along the southern coast of the area. When the war started, the best railroad route to southern Ukraine was over the bridge into Crimea and then north.

If the bridge were taken out for a substantial amount of time, it would make supplying southern Ukraine and Crimea more difficult. But the Russians have been well aware of this since the war started and have been doing rail construction projects in Southern Ukraine that will solve the problem at some point.

There are a certain group of people in the US who obsess about the bridge as some sort of vital military target that will cause the collapse of the entire southern front in Ukraine and make Crimea indefensible. Its entirely wishful thinking. The destruction would make transportation more difficult and time consuming, but far from impossible.

Taking out the bridge used to be combined with other ideas like the Ukrainians advancing to the Sea of Azov and eliminating the northern route entirely. Now its become an obsession in its own right.
 
The railroads in southern Ukraine don't currently support east-west traffic from Russia well due to their routes and where the frontlines are. In particular there is gap along the southern coast of the area. When the war started, the best railroad route to southern Ukraine was over the bridge into Crimea and then north.

If the bridge were taken out for a substantial amount of time, it would make supplying southern Ukraine and Crimea more difficult. But the Russians have been well aware of this since the war started and have been doing rail construction projects in Southern Ukraine that will solve the problem at some point.

There are a certain group of people in the US who obsess about the bridge as some sort of vital military target that will cause the collapse of the entire southern front in Ukraine and make Crimea indefensible. Its entirely wishful thinking. The destruction would make transportation more difficult and time consuming, but far from impossible.

Taking out the bridge used to be combined with other ideas like the Ukrainians advancing to the Sea of Azov and eliminating the northern route entirely. Now its become an obsession in its own right.
It seems like they need one big blockbuster moviesque bridge explosion/collapse to plaster all over the media for a news cycle before saying "OK WE WON... BYE!!!" and running away from those clowns in Ukraine as fast as possible.

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What is the fixation with this bridge? I've read that Russia had no problem supplying Crimea before it was even built and it isn't used for military supply now. They've hit the thing several times and it's never been more than a mild inconvenience.
The bridge is a recognized symbol of Russia's hold over Crimea. Russia actually built a lot of infrostructure in there, I personally seen at least one brand new airport, but the bridge is the most impotant one since it's by far the biggest project that had a lot of hype arround itself.
Naturally, it makes Ukranians and their western sponsors ssethe uncontrollably.

As I keep saying in this thread, they are obsessed with psyops and a more willing to utilize them even at the expense of ground warfare, so the bridge must go so the victory of Ukraine could be conjured in the minds of the people.
 
Rate me late if this has already been posted but is this fucking real?

Apparently it reads: "Denis and Julia. Together at home, together at the front".

Is Ukraine becoming some kind of gigantic death cult?

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They look old enough to have teenage children, old enough to get conscripted and sent into the meat grinder, too. Maybe the Ukrainians can stuff the entire family into a single foxhole.
 
Wow.....what the fuck happened? Was the ProUkratard thread so boring genderpose, teriyaki and the rest of the faggots started bombing the old Pro-Russia thread?
They're desperate. Deep down they know they are in the wrong and Ukraine is losing very badly, but they cannot handle the truth and want to suppress it as hard as they can. It won't work.
 
My take on the Russian point of view since 2014 is that they are willing to accept "a" Ukraine that is in NATO or the EU. But not a Ukraine with its 1991 borders. It will have to be a much smaller Ukraine and a Ukraine that in no uncertain terms accepts its new borders.
Problem with all these small Ukraine ideas is that it's trivial for them to forge a false flag with it and then you have a Russia attacked NATO situation. Won't happen in the next ten years, because every military commander will tell their leaders it's fucking retarded right now to provoke a war with Russia. But the kikes will wear down resistance. They will have their war where white people kill themselves for the last time.
 
What is the fixation with this bridge? I've read that Russia had no problem supplying Crimea before it was even built and it isn't used for military supply now. They've hit the thing several times and it's never been more than a mild inconvenience.
It’s symbolic. Also has some practical purpose but it’s mostly symbolic.

Symbolizes not only a practical hold over Crimea, but also Russian (let’s just call it) civilizational or economic superiority.

Think about it this way: Every Ukrainian accomplishment: The nuclear power plants, the factories (Ukrainian bureau’s and factories were important for ICBMs and the Soviet aircraft industry), all of their infrastructure was an accomplishment of the USSR.

Then comes independence and what have Ukraine accomplished on their own? What infrastructure projects did they complete over two decades? Fuck all. The factories are closing, infrastructure is decaying. There are some new skyscrapers in Kiev, but even they look like shit.

Along comes Russia in 2014 and retakes Crimea, and within a few years, they’ve built this massive bridge.

That’s what really rankles the Ukes.

Btw: Any actual Russians in here?
 
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