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[quaawaa]

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Why do the vast majority of Dutch own cars!?!?!?



Cope:


So much for walkable cities resulting in spontaneous romance:

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Reminder that these are the people who think suburbanites live 30 minutes away from the store:






Meanwhile in the suburbs, it takes me <5 minutes to drive to a grocery store 10 times the size of theirs.
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Cars are dangerous death machines but this is totally safe:



Not even the other urbanists buy this and OP deleted his account in shame:

How dare you ask me for the statistics I claimed existed:

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https://forum.electricunicycle.org/topic/33534-fatality-history/ (archive)
https://www.iihs.org/topics/fatality-statistics/detail/state-by-state (archive)
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2...skateboards--recalled-in-us-after-four-deaths (archive)

Since nobody rides these stupid things, the per-capita crash rate is enormous. Go check out /r/onewheel, most people who have ridden one have had an accident:

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Urbanists dismissing small business owners concerns:



Clearly this isn't true if the business owner felt the need to put up that sign (also, adding a bike lane does nothing to make a city more walkable):

The cyclists would totally patronize the shop if only the owner wasn't a bigot:

Small businesses are just pet projects of trophy wives and deserve to go out of business:


More strawmen (the Valencia Street area in San Francisco is already a dense "walkable" neighborhood with lots of town houses and apartments with no detached single family houses):

Business owners only believe that the bike lane hurts their business due to propaganda from Big Car:

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If a car strikes and kills a pedestrian, it is always the driver's fault 100% of the time. There is no such thing as a "car accident."

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[AdmiralRenae]

I honestly felt like my family, having fled from China, would buy into the CCP Propaganda and would give up their cars if their Media overlords tell them to give it up (they already hate guns). I am somewhat different in that I own some guns but still live with them (had to keep the gun with a friend)

Currently saving up to move out.

"With density comes understanding and tolerance"?

These people are unhinged. They should compare blue counties to crime rates in the U.S. and see if they notice anything.

Dont know about thise urbanite’s thoughts on cities, but I feel MUCH safer in a small town. Niggers for one, but say your in a war. Look at Gaza, MOUT/Urban warfare is quite brutal and there is a reason why soldiers in Fallujah hated CQB.

Not sure about anyone else, but having guns is another form of socialization for me. Most people I meet at the range are friendly and willing to talk.

The shooting range is just one avenue to meet new people, and it is quite fun too. Some of my coworkers also go to the range (I work Security) and I had a blast shooting with them.


Looks like the gun guys cannot use the car argument anymore when it comes to deaths because the urbanists would argue to ban cars AND guns, Also, I feel that NYCs congestion pricing, ULEZ, are to make car ownership so inconvenient that you would give it up in favor of taking public transit. Not to mention no more air travel because “climate”

 

[Lobster Cult High Priest]

That's why they're introducing legislation to arbitrarily restrict flights over there because rail can't compete for long distances.

If they want people to take rail travel make it comparable to the Orient Express and bring back segregated rail cars. Not the current uncomfy plastic seats where you are harassed by Niggers and Pajeets.

 

[quaawaa]

If they want people to take rail travel make it comparable to the Orient Express

It still exists:

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[M3xus]

Who in the actual fuck is going to the grocery store for one thing? I can see it if you're missing an ingredient or if it's on the way somewhere, but that seems like a waste of a trip. And I'm saying this as someone that lives five minutes from a grocery store.

 

[Steam Deck Verified]

That "$3000 a month for a studio over a 3000 sq ft home" was inciting me to become MATI but it was a Christmas miracle that the comments were shitting on OP for the title. Ah yes the spontaneity of the city, you can get stabbed on the subway by someone dressed as an elf instead of your run of the mill negro.

 

[JJLiautaud]

Cow crossover moment with the Fatrick Hamlinson(he's very fat you see) being his usual retarded self; hat tip to @Pepperonified

 

[BulkForceFive]

When Fatrick talks about travelling by rail he means having one of those special Schnabel cars attached to him and then being pulled along by four locomotives.

That "$3000 a month for a studio over a 3000 sq ft home" was inciting me to become MATI but it was a Christmas miracle that the comments were shitting on OP for the title. Ah yes the spontaneity of the city, you can get stabbed on the subway by someone dressed as an elf instead of your run of the mill negro.

Mad? Nothing makes me happier than to see idiots bankrupting themselves. NYC is becoming a giant roach motel for this sort of contemptible human being.

 

[Xarpho's Return]

It still exists:

The "false history" of urbanism usually idolizes things like the Orient Express, the Titanic, and the Hindenburg as the "why can't we have nice things", not realizing that for such things was reserved for the ultra-wealthy, and to a lesser extent inter-city rail travel was pricey.

Even if you were to make arguments like the past was wealthier--it was easier to get a solid job and live debt-free in the past, either way the pleb class is NOT going anywhere near those "first class experiences". The only way they'll get on something like the Orient Express is as a dishwasher, but careful, breaking things means that's coming out of your salary.

 

[Chuck McGill]

My favorite was the battle of Yonkers from World War Z. "Oh the bombs were completely ineffective against the zombies because they were meant for buildings." My dude, do you really think they wouldn't have thought to use cluster bombs. The bombs that are so effective that we refuse to sign on to the UNs dumb little cluster bomb ban? Did you not do any research? Did you not look up what 20mm fragmentary rounds from Apaches would do against a massive, slow moving group of people? What the fuck are zombies going to do against an Abrams or a Bradley? But no, what saved America was British walking volley fire and some magical semi-auto .22 LR incendiary round. That book made me so fucking mad when I read it after it was hyped for the Zombie craze. Could you have not spent at least a little time thinking your world through?

I remember back in the early-10s when the zombie craze was at its crest, everyone I knew held that book up as some sort of Bible for zombie survival scenarios, and praised it for being so heckin' realistic. Nice to know that was all bullshit.

And it amazes me that in zombie survival stories, no one considers the one thing that would bring a modern military to its knees in an apocalyptic scenario: logistics. The Strategic Petroleum Reserve at any given time has enough fuel to keep the military running for 30 days, and that's assuming there are trucks running along the highways to get the fuel to where it needs to go. And then there's the array of belts, screws, assemblies, and small moving parts you need to keep an F16 flying or an Abrams squishing zombie skulls, which are likely now in limited supply since the factory that makes them is abandoned. And this is to say nothing of the fact that the US military(or any nation's military for that matter) is going to be extremely reluctant to carpet bomb cities in their homeland, at least not before things are well and truly fucked.

 

[Xarpho's Return]

I remember back in the early-10s when the zombie craze was at its crest, everyone I knew held that book up as some sort of Bible for zombie survival scenarios, and praised it for being so heckin' realistic. Nice to know that was all bullshit.

And it amazes me that in zombie survival stories, no one considers the one thing that would bring a modern military to its knees in an apocalyptic scenario: logistics. The Strategic Petroleum Reserve at any given time has enough fuel to keep the military running for 30 days, and that's assuming there are trucks running along the highways to get the fuel to where it needs to go. And then there's the array of belts, screws, assemblies, and small moving parts you need to keep an F16 flying or an Abrams squishing zombie skulls, which are likely now in limited supply since the factory that makes them is abandoned. And this is to say nothing of the fact that the US military(or any nation's military for that matter) is going to be extremely reluctant to carpet bomb cities in their homeland, at least not before things are well and truly fucked.

In addition to being appropriate to this thread, I've rarely seen world-building that brings logistics into effect, especially in apocalyptic settings or some other disaster. Like when I read Ready Player One, supposedly the fuel crisis has made suburban living impossible and caused highways to be abandoned war zones. Without working travel between cities, logistics is impossible. There won't be pizza shops and 7-Eleven stores even in the bad future with a logistics crisis. (Granted, this isn't the biggest of RPO's problems). The only way you can make something in a quasi-apocalyptic setting work is by making the area extremely desolate and not talking about the rest of the world. (Full Throttle threads this needle very nicely).

That's why most of /r/fuckcars is so dumb because they don't understand modern logistics, like how highways and trucks make the modern world possible and affordable. The only way their true "walkable paradise" with no cars or trucks whatsoever is some sort of mall or other planned development with a network of truck tunnels and freight elevators underneath.

 

[Aero the Alcoholic Bat]

That's why most of /r/fuckcars is so dumb because they don't understand modern logistics, like how highways and trucks make the modern world possible and affordable. The only way their true "walkable paradise" with no cars or trucks whatsoever is some sort of mall or other planned development with a network of truck tunnels and freight elevators underneath.

So in other words, a "carless" world only works with a complex series of underground tunnels where all the yucky cars are, where the soyboys don't have to see them.

 

[Chuck McGill]

So in other words, a "carless" world only works with a complex series of underground tunnels where all the yucky cars are, where the soyboys don't have to see them.

Funny thing, I recall fuckcars posting an article about such a system in one of the small central European nations. Either Switzetland or Luxembourg I wanna say. Since those are both small nations, the idea was to have an underground series of tunnels with a freight rail system. Sort of like the tunnels in Half-Life. And of course the reaction was largely "ewwww cars". They'll find a way to bitch no matter what you do.

 

[WelperHelper99]

That's why they're introducing legislation to arbitrarily restrict flights over there because rail can't compete for long distances.

Artificially propping up a Industry only means it'll fall at a later date. Trains are fine and all, good at freight, but when it comes to passengers, flight kills it

b ban? Did you not do any research? Did you not look up what 20mm fragmentary rounds from Apaches

Slight correction apache helicopters have 30MM HEDP rounds.

 

[Blamo2000]

My favorite was the battle of Yonkers from World War Z. "Oh the bombs were completely ineffective against the zombies because they were meant for buildings." My dude, do you really think they wouldn't have thought to use cluster bombs. The bombs that are so effective that we refuse to sign on to the UNs dumb little cluster bomb ban? Did you not do any research? Did you not look up what 20mm fragmentary rounds from Apaches would do against a massive, slow moving group of people? What the fuck are zombies going to do against an Abrams or a Bradley? But no, what saved America was British walking volley fire and some magical semi-auto .22 LR incendiary round. That book made me so fucking mad when I read it after it was hyped for the Zombie craze. Could you have not spent at least a little time thinking your world through?

Ah, George Bush Bad with zombies? I remember that one. Simply put these people hate the military (militaries in general), so refuse to do research on it.

Most zombie stuff was explained away that the zombies are basically solid goo people at that point so airburst effects don't work them. Which is fine, but all militaries have thousands of tons of conventional high explosive munitions that explode on impact destroying the entire body, including the head. Fragmentation rounds that throw around hundreds of steel balls, that could easily make a headshot.

Also, according the author, the Kinetic Penetrator of the M1 would just travel across the zombies doing little damage. Okay, why would anybody load anti tank rounds against zombies is a good question. But this is a case of writers have no sense of scale. If the zombie can be headshot from a small arm and be killed... Then I am not buying that something that can easily go through half a meters of Steel wouldn't cause vibrations that would just destroy the whole body.

Not to mention the writer had no idea that all assault rifles have semi auto and 3 round burst mode. Seriously, why create new guns, with a new ammo when you have billions of rounds of intermediate and full powered rifle ammo, and millions of already working rifles that can be fired in a semi-auto way.

 

[WelperHelper99]

Also, according the author, the Kinetic Penetrator of the M1 would just travel across the zombies doing little damage. Okay, why would anybody load anti tank rounds against zombies is a good question. But this is a case of writers have no sense of scale. If the zombie can be headshot from a small arm and be killed... Then I am not buying that something that can easily go through half a meters of Steel wouldn't cause vibrations that would just destroy the whole body.

That's ridiculous to me. First you'd never load anti tank against infantry. Even if you did though, it would basically vaporize a squishy. It's going like Mach 7.

But for more practical solutions, they literally make a buck shot round for the M1 Abrams with 1000 steel balls. If that's not a horde killer, I don't know what is. It's also useful in urban environments for knocking down walls, because concrete and brick really isn't that strong against kinetic projectiles

 

[Blamo2000]

That's ridiculous to me. First you'd never load anti tank against infantry. Even if you did though, it would basically vaporize a squishy. It's going like Mach 7.

But for more practical solutions, they literally make a buck shot round for the M1 Abrams with 1000 steel balls. If that's not a horde killer, I don't know what is. It's also useful in urban environments for knocking down walls, because concrete and brick really isn't that strong against kinetic projectiles

It's simply the case of... "The author wanted a zombie apocalypse, but didn't wanted to have scifi (e.g. The Flood from Halo) or magic zombies."

Of course the Battle of Yonkers is written in a way that "The military is stupid and just wanted to put on a show". Of course why have future warrior systems and AA stuff, when nothing impresses the peasants more easily than throwing a million tons of bombs at a thing.

Zombie stories usually depend on everybody getting the idiot ball until the thing gets bad enough.

 

[WelperHelper99]

It's simply the case of... "The author wanted a zombie apocalypse, but didn't wanted to have scifi (e.g. The Flood from Halo) or magic zombies."

Of course the Battle of Yonkers is written in a way that "The military is stupid and just wanted to put on a show". Of course why have future warrior systems and AA stuff, when nothing impresses the peasants more easily than throwing a million tons of bombs at a thing.

Zombie stories usually depend on everybody getting the idiot ball until the thing gets bad enough.

It's why I've only really liked halos take. The Flood can infect fucking computers and is much a mental virus as a physical one. Otherwise zombies are kinda just fiction for people, like hive dwellers, that don't know what a gun would actually do to a zombie

 

[quaawaa]

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High density housing is depressing:









What the "city center" of the suburban city of Carmel, Indiana actually looks like:


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[ilovejews]

Vagueposting about an argument he had? One would think he would remember the details, since it happened in his head.