Horrorcow Zoe Quinn / Chelsea Van Valkenburg / Locke Valentine / @UnburntWitch / @Primeape / CrashOverride / Hat Box / Old Uncle Anime - Con Artist, Abuser, Sexual Harasser, Drove Alec Holowka to Suicide.

[Yellow Yam Scam]

With those numbers I'd say the promotion part failed.

And yet, they can all go around calling themselves "published authors" when they run their next hustle.

 

[AnOminous]

That book that Zoe, Anita, Leigh Alexander and a bunch of other hacks put out sold a whopping 250 copies.

This makes me hope that Zoe actually gets a book written just to see how hard it bombs. Same with a movie. Outside of some betas on Twitter and some thirsty video game "reporters", no one gives a shit about this stuff.

Could we say at this point that "gamers are dead" is dead?

Nice forced may may fags. Except you couldn't even force it.

And yet, they can all go around calling themselves "published authors" when they run their next hustle.

They can go around calling themselves Nobel Prize winners too. Who cares?

 

[I-chi]

Spoiler: Let's Take a Peek Over At Amazon

 

[Jaimas]

It was never meant to to sell though, it was just an elaborate self-publishing/self-citing recursive promotion scheme.

....And at less copies sold than Revolution 60's PC port, I'm sure that was well worth their time.

 

[RisingPhoenix]

I feel like there's a real missed opportunity with the book and movie deal. I would totally read about and watch a story about Chelsea's cognitive dissonance between thinking she's the savior of the video games industry or an important person with a voice to be heard while shooting nudes for a suicide girls knockoff and aspiring to be a stripper, then puking on stage. Like just an examination of the depths of narcissism and lack of self awareness.

Something like Shattered Glass or Mommy Dearest with the person having success at the start and then their personality flaws making them fail and lose what they have. But instead have pretty much the opposite, starting from a horrible place and not improving themselves at all but gaining more success because of other like minded individuals with similar flaws finding excuses for their obvious problems and trying to manipulate events and public opinion to make them seem like a bigger deal than they actually are.

What's a better story, overcoming cyberbullying and your ex boyfriend, or examining how truly shitty and disgusting a person you can be while still being able to convince yourself you are a hero and have other people back up that delusional sense of significance?

You realize that if you removed all the game dev references and the internet, you would basically have Pink Floyd's "The Wall" right?

 

[Yellow Yam Scam]

Could we say at this point that "gamers are dead" is dead?

Nice forced may may fags. Except you couldn't even force it.



They can go around calling themselves Nobel Prize winners too. Who cares?

The people on the other end of the grift, probably.

 

[Jaimas]

So I started chronicling Quinn for Lolcow Wiki. Don't expect Wu-level in-depth coverage, I'm in no mood to do a repeat of that one when covering Wu's article alone has taken over a year of work. I intend to keep this to the point and focus on the main angles here because Quinn isn't anywhere near as entertaining a train-wreck as Brianna Wu.

This said: Kiwis, this may surprise you, but I don't relish having to discuss Gamergate shit so often, but every time one of the Rat King fucking barks it's hard not to be reminded of the fact that Quinn is literally the fucking reason it began, and shit like what her clique did to The Fine Young Capitalists perfectly encapsulates just how petty, vindictive, and insane the various members of the Rat King have become. That two years later, we have faggots like David Gallant still bitching about it is indicative of the level of butthurt going on just because they got outmaneuvered by the fucking spergs of GG.

As ever, I appreciate any help my fellow Wiki-ers give on this one. Semper Fidels to all are armed Kiwis.

 

[DumbDosh]

You realize that if you removed all the game dev references and the internet, you would basically have Pink Floyd's "The Wall" right?

As a film buff it's on my ever expanding list but I've never seen it, but reading the synopsis and seeing,

"Pink fantasises that he is a dictator and his concert is a neo-Nazi rally. His followers proceed to attack ethnic minorities."

That does sound quite like Quinn.

 

[FatNero]

So I started chronicling Quinn for Lolcow Wiki. Don't expect Wu-level in-depth coverage, I'm in no mood to do a repeat of that one when covering Wu's article alone has taken over a year of work. I intend to keep this to the point and focus on the main angles here because Quinn isn't anywhere near as entertaining a train-wreck as Brianna Wu.

This said: Kiwis, this may surprise you, but I don't relish having to discuss Gamergate shit so often, but every time one of the Rat King fucking barks it's hard not to be reminded of the fact that Quinn is literally the fucking reason it began, and shit like what her clique did to The Fine Young Capitalists perfectly encapsulates just how petty, vindictive, and insane the various members of the Rat King have become. That two years later, we have faggots like David Gallant still bitching about it is indicative of the level of butthurt going on just because they got outmaneuvered by the fucking spergs of GG.

As ever, I appreciate any help my fellow Wiki-ers give on this one. Semper Fidels to all are armed Kiwis.

Isn't IA the reason it began, had he not made his jokey joke stuff we'd all be living in a pre gamergate world?

She'd have two or three terrible games and be unkown, probably having moved on to some other industry by now?

 

[Jaimas]

Isn't IA the reason it began, had he not made his jokey joke stuff we'd all be living in a pre gamergate world?

She'd have two or three terrible games and be unkown, probably having moved on to some other industry by now?

A friend of mine, very accurately, once pointed out that GG's success was 1 part its own doing, and 4 parts its opposition being fucking nanners. Looking at it, though, you can tell it's right. Every single cow we've covered that's part of Quinn's clique - including, ironically, Quinn herself. That irony is a simple truth that's been the case since Gamergate began:

The most damage that these people suffered was entirely self-inflicted and their own fucking fault.

Take a look at it. It's true for literally 100% of them.

Quinn's attempts to suppress discussion of her, using every connection she had on Social Media, is what led to Gamergate blowing up, due to her close connection to both the mainstream gaming press and the fact that her buddies over-reached trying to stop it. We already know that personal friends of Quinn's were why her threads kept disappearing on Reddit, and we likewise know due to the CON leaks that they were actively trying to shut down accounts spreading info about them around. Hell, 8chan started because Quinn's buddies tried to lock down discussion on 4chan. Fuck, Quinn herself led to the creation of Gamergate's fucking mascot.

Arhur Chu? Same way. Look at his damage control on the David Pakman show following Wu's appearance, where he comes across as unhinged, or when he attacks some woman who just got raped because she was a friend of Mercedes Carerra and Gamergate arglefarglebargle. And that's not even touching on the sexual deviancy of his Tumblr account or his IT ENDS TONIGHT tweets that made him out to be a fucking terrorist.

Lifschitz? He blew up his AAA developer connections trying to white knight Zoe Quinn, looking like a certifiable fucking nutcase when he said that people who like GTAV should be tortured on the rack and either breaking NDA or accusing his former employers of outright corruption to make a political point. He'll never work in the industry again.

Brianna Wu? She tried to milk GG for her own personal harassment pony, and she fucked up, miraculously, harder than anyone ever thought was even possible. She has zero credibility and she somehow loses more with every single tweet, making herself look more and more ignorant and more and more disconnected from reality. When the world's most inveterate flame warrior gives you life advice and your response is to accuse him of Mansplaining, when you are trying to get the Sonic the Hedgehog Twitter taken down for "transphobia," and when you're trying to declare that Jace Connors was a threat to your life, you've crossed a threshold that, frankly, should earn you a lifetime achievement award on this forum.

All the calves and minor players fucked themselves like this too. Dan Olson has not had a successful video since god was a baby. David Gallant seems to be trying to transcend his humanity and transform himself into a living beta male meme. Bob Chipman self-destructed his career on The Escapist over Gamergate and nothing of value was lost. All the GJP journos are either disgraced or not working in the industry anymore.

Every single one of these people did it to themselves, and all it really took was GG refusing to fuck off.

 

[Hellfire]

Isn't IA the reason it began, had he not made his jokey joke stuff we'd all be living in a pre gamergate world?

She'd have two or three terrible games and be unkown, probably having moved on to some other industry by now?

From what I understand the environment was already a powder keg. Distrust of the "games journalism" scene was building up for years, and as Gamergate revealed it really was pretty much as corrupt as they speculated. The secret GameJournoPros mailing list's response (the "gamers are dead articles" they all shat out and refusal to address the issues with journalistic ethics etc.) may as well have been dumping gasoline onto it.

IA's videos certainly helped by presenting all the info, but IMO the Streisand Effect caused by Chelsea's rat king and GameJournoPros trying to run damage control was what really caused it to blow up. If I recall correctly, the "gamers are dead" articles are what got Adam Baldwin interested enough to dub it GamerGate. There was mass deletions on several websites such as /r/gaming's comment graveyard, and even 4chan of all places forbid discussion of it, leading people to wonder why they weren't being allowed to talk about it.

The Pastebin linked in that screenshot from GameJournoPros is Chelsea's "statement" that Lifshit and whoever else helped her write as a response to the zoepost, as mentioned in the Skype logs.

[23/12/2014, 6:19:29 PM] Alex Lifschitz: As Dan mentioned, this is something I've expanded on before, when we were drafting up Zoe's first statement after thezoepost, and everyone was telling her to lay low:
The Streisand Effect is only in play if 1. you're doing something wrong and 2. trying to hide it. It's important to know since telling people to shut up about their abuse is an abuser tactic. But this? This is the Streisand Effect full stop. Let them put eyes on 8chan.

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This has nothing to do with games and is not a matter of legitimate public interest, but is simply a personal matter. I would hope and request that the games press be respectful of what IS a personal matter, and not news. This is explicitly about my private life, which has been regrettably forced into the public and framed by people who pose a threat to my safety and well being as well as that of the people I love. I would hope that the effort people have gone through to dress it up as anything more would not be enough to have those who see it for what it is take the bait.

I am not going to link to, or address anything having to do with the validity of the specific claims made by an angry ex-boyfriend with an axe to grind and a desire to use 4chan as his own personal army. This is not a “she-said” to his “he-said”. The idea that I am required to debunk a manifesto of my sexual past written by an openly malicious ex-boyfriend in order to continue participating in this industry is horrifying. It’s a personal matter that never should have been made public, and I don’t want to delve into personal shit while saying that people’s love and sex lives are no one’s business. I’m not going to talk about it.

What I am going to say is that the proliferation of nude pictures of me, death threats, vandalization, doxxing of my trans friends for having the audacity to converse with me publicly, harassment of friends and family and my friends’ family, sending my home address around, rape threats, memes about me being a whore, pressures to kill myself, slurs of every variety, debates over what my genitals smell like, vultures trying to make money off of youtube videos about it, all of these things are inexcusable and will continue to happen to women in games until this culture changes.

Because I’ve sat behind computer screens trying to make games, every aspect of my life is suddenly a matter of public concern. Suddenly it’s acceptable to share pictures of my breasts on social media to threaten and punish me. Suddenly I don’t have any right to privacy or basic dignity. Suddenly I don’t get to live out normal parts of life, like going through a bad and ugly breakup in private. I have forfeited this by being a “public figure” in a small community, while those who delight in assailing me hide behind their keyboards and a culture that permits it, beyond reproach.

My life and my body are not public property. No one’s life and body are public property.

Sexuality is one of the most personal, hurtful, and easy things to demonize a woman over, and also has nothing to do with my games. Yet large swaths of the gaming community are either unable or unwilling to separate the two. I’m convinced that my ex chose 4chan as the staging ground for his campaign of harassment and character assassination because he knew this; he knew that someone claiming to be “from the Internet” has shown up at my house once already, and he is counting on the most reviled hubs of our community to live up to their sordid reputations. This is another example of gendered violence, whereby my personal life becomes a means to punish my professional credentials and to try to shame me into giving up my work. I'm committed to doing my small part to create a world where no woman is at risk of experiencing this. That said, I am thankful that even boards with a reputation for being the most hostile places online have been able to tell the intent behind these threads and banned them outright, seeing the hate speech for what it is, and not-news for what it is.

As much as those leading the charge against me will do mental backflips to make posting pictures of my tits about “ethics in games journalism”, the real agenda is plain as day if you give it even a moment of sincere critical thought. No one who would terrorize someone and the totally uninvolved people they love in this way on such a massive and public scale could ever honestly claim to be interested in "ethics" of any kind. These kinds of accusations have been levied against any woman of status in any industry, ever. I have been judged because, if you are a woman, you are expected to constantly “prove” yourself, and even mere accusations can somehow undo all the good you’ve done and justify any measure of depraved brutality against you. Meanwhile, I see major support constantly thrown the way of my male colleagues when they are accused of any sort of wrongdoing. Neither of these attitudes is correct, and they are patently unfair and reductive. Nobody exists in a vacuum, and anyone can change and grow into a better person. Heroes and villains don’t exist - just regular boring-ass people with scars and fuckups and moments of brilliance. And every single boring-ass person deserves the space to keep personal matters private and handled outside the shark tank of anonymous internet boards.

Once again, I will not be addressing the specific validity of any statements about my personal life. If you have good-faith questions or doubts, I am more than happy to discuss private matters in private, where they belong. But I refuse to be coerced into making my private life or anyone’s private life a matter of public record, and I refuse to be continually emotionally terrorized by people who have long decided to hate me regardless of the truth.

I'm looking forward to moving on and getting back to work. To the people who support my work and can see this crusade for what it is, thank you from the bottom of my heart.

I don't know if it was because of the December 2013 Wizardchan stuff, but Chelsea clearly had rat king connections in the industry by that point and she was booked as a participant on a game jam reality show. This may have been covered in the thread already, but in the Skype logs we find Chelsea talking about fucking up the reality show. because she decided that if it didn't go exactly as she wanted that she would instead have a tantrum and ruin the show, which she did.

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[26/12/2014, 3:34:46 PM] drinternetphd: the most humiliating moment in that game jam reality show we walked out on was that the guy who made nidhogg was one of the judges for the embarassing challenges they made us do
[26/12/2014, 3:34:57 PM] Dan Olson: oh, god.
[26/12/2014, 3:35:12 PM] drinternetphd: so i got to meet one of my heros while being forced to fingerpaint with jon tron's idiot ass in the background asking the british member of my team to say words that sounded funny with his accent
[26/12/2014, 3:35:20 PM] Dan Olson: Coming from the production side, that whole exposé filled me with cringe.

[26/12/2014, 3:35:31 PM] Peter Coffin: okay I have no idea what this reality show is but that sounds ridiculous
[26/12/2014, 3:35:35 PM] drinternetphd: oh god peter
[26/12/2014, 3:35:37 PM] drinternetphd: lemme link you

[26/12/2014, 3:35:55 PM] Dina : Jontron........

[26/12/2014, 3:36:13 PM] drinternetphd: http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/214364/Inside_the_disintegration_of_a_game_jam_reality_show.php

[26/12/2014, 3:36:45 PM] drinternetphd: I also wrote about it here http://gamasutra.com/blogs/ZoeQuinn...alking_Off_a_Reality_Show_About_Game_Jams.php
[26/12/2014, 3:37:08 PM] Peter Coffin: fuck maker studios
[26/12/2014, 3:37:13 PM] drinternetphd: also I contractually could not make fun of mountain dew for several months
[26/12/2014, 3:37:15 PM] Peter Coffin: seriously, I fucking hate them
[26/12/2014, 3:37:24 PM] Peter Coffin: I think everything about maker is disingenuous
[26/12/2014, 3:37:34 PM] Peter Coffin: I have watched it from the day it existed
[26/12/2014, 3:37:45 PM] Dina : I contractually can' talk about Gamergate I think
[26/12/2014, 3:37:48 PM] Dina : it's in Japanese
[26/12/2014, 3:37:52 PM] Dan Olson: How's Game Loading turning out? Anyone seen a current cut?
[26/12/2014, 3:37:57 PM] Dina : not gonna bother reviewing my contract
[26/12/2014, 3:38:05 PM] drinternetphd: when I finally could talk shit about mountain dew again this is what I did: https://twitter.com/TheQuinnspiracy/status/488443912424398849

[26/12/2014, 3:38:11 PM] Peter Coffin: what about… mountain dew code red?
[26/12/2014, 3:38:33 PM] Peter Coffin: hahahah mountain poo
[26/12/2014, 3:38:39 PM] drinternetphd: I built it up with like 5 tweets too
[26/12/2014, 3:38:43 PM] Chris Kluwe: heh, every time i had a sponsorship offer in the league, i made sure to tell them "If your product sucks, i'm gonna make fun of it"
[26/12/2014, 3:38:53 PM] drinternetphd: dude that was totally my plan going in
[26/12/2014, 3:38:55 PM] drinternetphd: so
[26/12/2014, 3:39:07 PM] drinternetphd: I did it cause I was the only woman they asked and because I'm a competitive shithead I wanted the only girl to win
[26/12/2014, 3:39:16 PM] Chris Kluwe: fair
[26/12/2014, 3:39:27 PM] Peter Coffin: stern but fair
[26/12/2014, 3:39:31 PM] drinternetphd: and they clearly had no idea what they were doing or what jam games were so I was like "ok how can I game this system"
[26/12/2014, 3:39:36 PM] drinternetphd: "comedy. everyone gets comedy."
[26/12/2014, 3:39:51 PM] Chris Kluwe: except gators
[26/12/2014, 3:39:54 PM] drinternetphd: so I brought on davey wreden from the stanley parable and tom from surgeon simulator for my 2 people I could choose for my team
[26/12/2014, 3:39:54 PM] Peter Coffin: but then it turns out not everyone gets comedy
[26/12/2014, 3:39:55 PM] Chris Kluwe: ba dum tish
[26/12/2014, 3:40:07 PM] Chris Kluwe: eeeeesh
[26/12/2014, 3:40:10 PM] drinternetphd: with the arrangement that if it was a shitshow we openly mock it and troll the entire thing

[26/12/2014, 3:40:11 PM] Peter Coffin: haha
[26/12/2014, 3:40:15 PM] Chris Kluwe: people who don't get comedy are the worst
[26/12/2014, 3:40:23 PM] drinternetphd: we kept sneaking cans into shots
[26/12/2014, 3:40:27 PM] drinternetphd: and deadeyeing the cameras
[26/12/2014, 3:40:29 PM] Chris Kluwe: lol
[26/12/2014, 3:40:30 PM] Peter Coffin: look back through my twitter image feed for that kind of fun
[26/12/2014, 3:40:32 PM] drinternetphd: and I kept switching glasses between shots
[26/12/2014, 3:40:38 PM] Chris Kluwe: CONTINUITY
[26/12/2014, 3:40:44 PM] Chris Kluwe: NOOOOOOOOO
[26/12/2014, 3:40:47 PM] Peter Coffin: hahahahahahaha
[26/12/2014, 3:40:48 PM] Peter Coffin: hahahahaha
[26/12/2014, 3:40:51 PM] Peter Coffin: that is amazing zoe
[26/12/2014, 3:40:57 PM] drinternetphd: and we were slowly holding mt dew cans and bringing them up closer to our faces constantly
[26/12/2014, 3:40:59 PM] Peter Coffin: oh my god I would laugh so hard
[26/12/2014, 3:41:01 PM] drinternetphd: till they screamed at us to stop
[26/12/2014, 3:41:04 PM] Chris Kluwe: rofl
[26/12/2014, 3:41:14 PM] Peter Coffin: that is comedy for comedy people though zoe
[26/12/2014, 3:41:16 PM] drinternetphd: davey jumped in with both feet and was constantly chugging till he got sick
[26/12/2014, 3:41:21 PM] drinternetphd: like actually sick
[26/12/2014, 3:41:22 PM] Chris Kluwe: oh man
[26/12/2014, 3:41:31 PM] Chris Kluwe: this sounds like Tom goes to the Mayor or some shit
[26/12/2014, 3:41:32 PM] Peter Coffin: hahahahahaha
[26/12/2014, 3:41:35 PM] drinternetphd: I snuck into everyone's trailers and hid cans everywhere
[26/12/2014, 3:41:40 PM] Peter Coffin: I was just going to say this is tim and eric
[26/12/2014, 3:41:42 PM] drinternetphd: like in the toilets and under their pillows
[26/12/2014, 3:41:52 PM] Peter Coffin: i’m glad I wasn’t the only one thinking that chris
[26/12/2014, 3:41:53 PM] drinternetphd: (this was before everyone else arrived cause I got there first)
[26/12/2014, 3:42:03 PM] Chris Kluwe: this could have been amazing
[26/12/2014, 3:42:12 PM] drinternetphd: yeah but it went too far into "total shit" territory
[26/12/2014, 3:42:15 PM] Chris Kluwe: i mean, that just sounds amazing
[26/12/2014, 3:42:18 PM] Chris Kluwe: ahhh
[26/12/2014, 3:42:19 PM] drinternetphd: we weren't even scheduled to touch our computers till day 5
[26/12/2014, 3:42:20 PM] Remy: hold on I've been AFK lemme read and catch up if everyone is laughing
[26/12/2014, 3:42:24 PM] Peter Coffin: it’s maker doing a reality show
[26/12/2014, 3:42:27 PM] Chris Kluwe: wtf
[26/12/2014, 3:42:29 PM] Chris Kluwe: a game jam
[26/12/2014, 3:42:32 PM] drinternetphd: also jontron was impossible to work with
[26/12/2014, 3:42:34 PM] Peter Coffin: YOU CAN NOT HAVE A GOOD REALITY SHOW FROM MAKER
[26/12/2014, 3:42:34 PM] Chris Kluwe: and no computers till day 5?
[26/12/2014, 3:42:42 PM] drinternetphd: he screamed at me on camera for like 5 minutes cause I asked if he needed help
[26/12/2014, 3:42:55 PM] Dina : wow
[26/12/2014, 3:42:57 PM] drinternetphd: and a lot of other shit I don't want to get into
[26/12/2014, 3:42:59 PM] Dina : what a piece of shit
[26/12/2014, 3:43:07 PM] Chris Kluwe: sounds like a douche
[26/12/2014, 3:43:09 PM] drinternetphd: but he made it impossible for me to do anything cause he'd just shout over me
[26/12/2014, 3:43:10 PM] Peter Coffin: yeah he seems like a doucher
[26/12/2014, 3:43:18 PM] Dina : I had to politely email him for work and I cringed the whole way
[26/12/2014, 3:43:26 PM] Dina : well, his reps at Normal Boots
[26/12/2014, 3:43:26 PM] drinternetphd: and davey, tom, and I came up with our game seperately so when we were explaining shit to him he'd like
[26/12/2014, 3:43:32 PM] drinternetphd: hate everything I said
[26/12/2014, 3:43:36 PM] drinternetphd: but when one of them rephrased it he'd love it
[26/12/2014, 3:43:42 PM] Chris Kluwe: guhhhhhhhh
[26/12/2014, 3:43:47 PM] Peter Coffin: so he’s stupid too?
[26/12/2014, 3:43:49 PM] Peter Coffin: nice
[26/12/2014, 3:43:50 PM] Chris Kluwe: "Here, let me put that into Manglish for you"
[26/12/2014, 3:43:51 PM] drinternetphd: and like be sucking their dicks over their games like a total brownoser
[26/12/2014, 3:44:06 PM] drinternetphd: during lunch I got an email from a fan that made me a little emotional
[26/12/2014, 3:44:14 PM] drinternetphd: it was this super sweet thing where they're like "your game saved my life" and stuff
[26/12/2014, 3:44:21 PM] Remy: AWWW ZOE YOU CAN'T MAKE FUN OF MT DEW
[26/12/2014, 3:44:27 PM] drinternetphd: and I was talking with davey about it cause that just fucking gets me right in the heart
[26/12/2014, 3:44:27 PM] Remy: IT'S GAAAAAAAAMERR FUUUUUUEEEEELL
[26/12/2014, 3:44:39 PM] drinternetphd: and jontron just butts in and is like OH YEAH PEOPLE TELL ME THAT ALL THE TIME BUT I DON'T BELIEVE IT
[26/12/2014, 3:44:43 PM] Chris Kluwe: wtf
[26/12/2014, 3:44:44 PM] drinternetphd: and we were all like
[26/12/2014, 3:44:44 PM] Chris Kluwe: like
[26/12/2014, 3:44:48 PM] Chris Kluwe: why would you even say that
[26/12/2014, 3:44:53 PM] Tesseract: GAMER FOOD http://www.gamerfood.com/
[26/12/2014, 3:45:01 PM] Peter Coffin: your post on it is super interesting zoe
[26/12/2014, 3:45:17 PM] drinternetphd: my friend who worked at maker who was writing about all this as their embedded journalist was like "oh yeah he does that, we call it "jontronning out"
[26/12/2014, 3:45:18 PM] Chris Kluwe: "HEY I SEE YOU DID SOMETHING GOOD WELL LET ME JUST SHIT ALL OVER THAT GRNKK HNNGHH"
[26/12/2014, 3:45:24 PM] Remy: XD
[26/12/2014, 3:45:35 PM] Chris Kluwe: and no one calls him on his shit?
[26/12/2014, 3:45:37 PM] Remy: So this Jon Tron guy sounds exactly as shitty as I dismissed him as upon first glance
[26/12/2014, 3:45:42 PM] drinternetphd: so he's just a worthless garbage infant and him tweeting out gangbang comics of me was hardly surprising
[26/12/2014, 3:45:53 PM] drinternetphd: chris: pretty much. big name let's players are allowed to do whatever they want
[26/12/2014, 3:45:58 PM] drinternetphd: look at totalbiscuit.
[26/12/2014, 3:46:09 PM] Chris Kluwe: well that's fucking depressing

The reality show discussion led to them chimping about TotalBiscuit with one of them wondering why Chelsea didn't sue him yet. Don't worry though, Chelsea said she had already thought about suing him but didn't want to "go after him financially" due to him having cancer and a family.

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[26/12/2014, 3:45:58 PM] drinternetphd: look at totalbiscuit.
[26/12/2014, 3:46:09 PM] Chris Kluwe: well that's fucking depressing
[26/12/2014, 3:46:18 PM] Remy: Honestly I'm surprised you can't sue TB
[26/12/2014, 3:46:21 PM] Remy: He's British, right?
[26/12/2014, 3:46:27 PM] drinternetphd: you would be shocked at how many indies have told me during this whole thing they wish they could stand up about it but are afraid to cause they have power.
[26/12/2014, 3:46:28 PM] Remy: He'd have to prove that he HASN'T damaged you
[26/12/2014, 3:46:33 PM] Peter Coffin: TB lives in the US
[26/12/2014, 3:46:37 PM] Remy: Oh.
[26/12/2014, 3:46:39 PM] Dina : um wait what
[26/12/2014, 3:46:39 PM] Remy: Well fuck me
[26/12/2014, 3:46:43 PM] drinternetphd: I'm not suing a dude with cancer.
[26/12/2014, 3:46:44 PM] Dina : Zoe no
[26/12/2014, 3:46:48 PM] Remy: He has cancer?
[26/12/2014, 3:46:49 PM] Dina : they have no power
[26/12/2014, 3:46:50 PM] Peter Coffin: oh fuck
[26/12/2014, 3:46:51 PM] Peter Coffin: really
[26/12/2014, 3:46:55 PM] Peter Coffin: he has fucking cancer
[26/12/2014, 3:46:57 PM] Peter Coffin: ...
[26/12/2014, 3:47:02 PM] Peter Coffin: yeah no one could win that
[26/12/2014, 3:47:03 PM] drinternetphd: dina they have power because a lot of people think they do and are too afraid to do anything
[26/12/2014, 3:47:07 PM] Dina : wait so what? people with cancer can't be assholes?!
[26/12/2014, 3:47:10 PM] drinternetphd: no they can
[26/12/2014, 3:47:10 PM] Remy: I hate it when people with cancer are still shitty. The movies never show you that part
[26/12/2014, 3:47:13 PM] Tesseract: does he still have cancer
[26/12/2014, 3:47:15 PM] drinternetphd: but they also have medical bills like crazy
[26/12/2014, 3:47:17 PM] Dina : this is the same bullshit as hey let old people be racist
[26/12/2014, 3:47:19 PM] Dina : fuck no
[26/12/2014, 3:47:21 PM] drinternetphd: no no no like
[26/12/2014, 3:47:26 PM] drinternetphd: I just don't want to go after him financially
[26/12/2014, 3:47:36 PM] Quinnae: That's very good of you, Zoe.
[26/12/2014, 3:47:46 PM] Peter Coffin: I do agree, that is very admirable
[26/12/2014, 3:47:48 PM] Dina : You're a better person than me Zoe.
[26/12/2014, 3:47:48 PM] Remy: Yeah I'm not gonna talk you outta that one Zoe
[26/12/2014, 3:47:49 PM] drinternetphd: like, his family doesn't deserve that and the US medical care system is fucking broken
[26/12/2014, 3:47:58 PM] Peter Coffin: it’s also in public opinion, that’s not a winnable case
[26/12/2014, 3:48:08 PM] Peter Coffin: oh fck yes it is
[26/12/2014, 3:48:09 PM] Remy: But still what's his problem. Other than the cancer.
[26/12/2014, 3:48:24 PM] drinternetphd: right which is why the way to push back is culturally
[26/12/2014, 3:48:26 PM] drinternetphd: not financially.
[26/12/2014, 3:48:30 PM] Remy: Must be affecting his judgement
[26/12/2014, 3:48:35 PM] Peter Coffin: completely agree
[26/12/2014, 3:48:36 PM] drinternetphd: I'm not saying he gets carte blanche at all.
[26/12/2014, 3:48:37 PM] Dina : he's a white male with entitlement issues who doesn't see race but sees people (tm)
[26/12/2014, 3:48:45 PM] Remy: XD
[26/12/2014, 3:48:47 PM] drinternetphd: but he should absolutely still be called out and have to defend his horseshit
[26/12/2014, 3:48:47 PM] Peter Coffin: lol
[26/12/2014, 3:49:00 PM] Peter Coffin: take me to church again
[26/12/2014, 3:49:00 PM] Chris Kluwe: i have no problem calling an asshole an asshole, even if he has cancer
[26/12/2014, 3:49:05 PM] drinternetphd: yeah, precisely.
[26/12/2014, 3:49:06 PM] Dina : same
[26/12/2014, 3:49:09 PM] Peter Coffin: samesies
[26/12/2014, 3:49:14 PM] drinternetphd: ugh I actually tried to talk to him privately about all this
[26/12/2014, 3:49:15 PM] Remy: I've already done that? So sure I'm already in this boat.
[26/12/2014, 3:49:19 PM] Dina : this is like the Hotwheels shit
[26/12/2014, 3:49:20 PM] drinternetphd: he had a mutual friend reach out
[26/12/2014, 3:49:25 PM] Dina : "but he's disabled!!"
[26/12/2014, 3:49:30 PM] drinternetphd: like one I super respect and trust
[26/12/2014, 3:49:31 PM] Dina : but he's also an asshole.
[26/12/2014, 3:49:36 PM] Remy: Yeah I have no problem feeling like Hotwheels is a piece of shit
[26/12/2014, 3:49:42 PM] drinternetphd: so he sent me an email and it was just more BS accusations and thinly veiled threats
[26/12/2014, 3:49:45 PM] Remy: Or whatever his name is
[26/12/2014, 3:50:05 PM] Dina : ugh Zoe
[26/12/2014, 3:50:07 PM] drinternetphd: so I responded being like "Jon, thank you for reaching out, can we talk about this like two people in private trying to get on the same page"
[26/12/2014, 3:50:16 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: Freed Brennan
[26/12/2014, 3:50:17 PM] drinternetphd: and like, trying to set the tone as conversational and sincere
[26/12/2014, 3:50:19 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: Fred even
[26/12/2014, 3:50:29 PM] drinternetphd: and he sent back more fucking accusations including that idiotic "personal paypal" argument
[26/12/2014, 3:50:32 PM] drinternetphd: so I just stopped responding.
[26/12/2014, 3:50:35 PM] Dina : NO POOPIHEAD GIRL U HAS COOTIES
[26/12/2014, 3:50:36 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: I am very much in favor of using the real names of those who have them out there

The next day they were chimping about TotalBiscuit again, with Chelsea saying she might "take a swing at him" next time she saw him.

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[27/12/2014, 9:32:06 PM] drinternetphd: I just burped so hard I think I lost a dress size actually
[27/12/2014, 9:32:12 PM] Ian Cheong: Haaa
[27/12/2014, 9:32:31 PM] drinternetphd: (I have had 3 beers in prep for writing this games need punks article)
[27/12/2014, 9:32:42 PM] Ian Cheong: I had sashimi on sushi rice for dinner.
[27/12/2014, 9:32:54 PM] Rob: lol
[27/12/2014, 9:32:59 PM] Rob: I'm getting hibachi and sushi for dinner tonight
[27/12/2014, 9:33:12 PM] drinternetphd: I made us cauliflower mash and garlic pepper steak
[27/12/2014, 9:33:14 PM] drinternetphd: so I have like
[27/12/2014, 9:33:16 PM] drinternetphd: toxic burps
[27/12/2014, 9:33:20 PM] Ian Cheong: I can only imagine
[27/12/2014, 9:33:23 PM] drinternetphd: don't
[27/12/2014, 9:33:25 PM] drinternetphd: it's bad
[27/12/2014, 9:33:32 PM] Ian Cheong: ok lol
[27/12/2014, 9:33:40 PM] drinternetphd: like I'm grossed out
[27/12/2014, 9:34:03 PM] Rob: It's like a chemical weapon was set off.
[27/12/2014, 9:34:12 PM] drinternetphd: p much
[27/12/2014, 9:34:43 PM] Rob: time to scan total biscuit's twitter for stuff to make fun of, because I'm in a mean mood
[27/12/2014, 9:36:03 PM] drinternetphd: I wish I didn't have standards sometimes
[27/12/2014, 9:36:14 PM] drinternetphd: else I would post our email convo

[27/12/2014, 9:40:52 PM] Rob: But yeah, I really hate total biscuit
[27/12/2014, 9:41:16 PM] Rob: Any time he talks about the US or US culture it's basically to trash it and say how stupid we are compared to the UK
[27/12/2014, 9:41:24 PM] drinternetphd: I hate how so many of my friends want to speak out against him but are afraid to
[27/12/2014, 9:41:24 PM] Rob: And I'm like "Then why don';t you get the fuck out and go back there?"
[27/12/2014, 9:41:32 PM] drinternetphd: also fuck him for shitting on twine
[27/12/2014, 9:41:35 PM] drinternetphd: fuck him fuck him fuck him
[27/12/2014, 9:41:42 PM] Remy: TB talking about US probably sounds just like American bros talking about Britain. fart sounds
[27/12/2014, 9:41:46 PM] Remy: lol
[27/12/2014, 9:41:55 PM] Ian Cheong: I hate what he said about Twine.
[27/12/2014, 9:41:57 PM] Rob: Oh, but see zoe, what he REALLY meant was that greedo shot first and midichlorians are what gives youtube reviewers like him their special powers
[27/12/2014, 9:42:05 PM] drinternetphd: the amount of good twine has done for people makes me worry that the next time I see him I will take a swing

 

[Patrick Buttman]

As I understand it, another thing that set it off was Mundane Matt's video on Quinn getting DCMA'd, allegedly by Quinn herself because it had a snippet of Depression Quest in it. IIRC, Matt later reuploaded it with the DQ part edited out.

It's been theorized that the 4chan ban on Quinn was due to Moot wanting to get in good with the SJW crowd, since his previous attempts to make money/get legitimacy crashed and burned, and he wanted to get in their good graces to fix that. Plus he was also doing it to get into the pants of some chick that worked at Gawker (who ended up cheating on him. LOL)

 

[Hellfire]

As I understand it, another thing that set it off was Mundane Matt's video on Quinn getting DCMA'd, allegedly by Quinn herself because it had a snippet of Depression Quest in it. IIRC, Matt later reuploaded it with the DQ part edited out.

It's been theorized that the 4chan ban on Quinn was due to Moot wanting to get in good with the SJW crowd, since his previous attempts to make money/get legitimacy crashed and burned, and he wanted to get in their good graces to fix that. Plus he was also doing it to get into the pants of some chick that worked at Gawker (who ended up cheating on him. LOL)

I noticed someone asking her if she was the one who did the DMCA in the logs. Chelsea ignored them.

Edit: I believe it was the GamerGhazi IRC logs, so Chelsea wouldn't have felt safe to admit it there if she was the one who did it.

 

[Jaimas]

As I understand it, another thing that set it off was Mundane Matt's video on Quinn getting DCMA'd, allegedly by Quinn herself because it had a snippet of Depression Quest in it. IIRC, Matt later reuploaded it with the DQ part edited out.

It's been theorized that the 4chan ban on Quinn was due to Moot wanting to get in good with the SJW crowd, since his previous attempts to make money/get legitimacy crashed and burned, and he wanted to get in their good graces to fix that. Plus he was also doing it to get into the pants of some chick that worked at Gawker (who ended up cheating on him. LOL)

Moot's banning of it from 4chan was because at the time was because he was preparing to sell the site off entirely, and Gawker was a prospective buyer. He was purportedly opened up to the possibility of selling it off by the aforementioned girl working for Gawker that eventually cucked his ass.

There was some document leaks that basically established that as part of the deal, he was "cleaning up" 4chan in order to make it look presentable and controllable by installing new moderators and locking down the biggest problem boards (/b/, /robot9000/, /pol/, and /v/). These new moderators happened to have the exact same political striping as the rest of the usual suspects in this confusing spidernest of fucking conflicts-of-interest, and, fittingly, their attempts to lock down shit only made the userbase fucking do it more.

When the news of the lockdown went critical and Gawker was locked onto by the Internet Autism Machine for mass boycotts (ultimately setting it up for destruction by Hulk Hogan), the entire deal fell apart and all the hot pockets in the world were not going to save it, or so speaketh the chantards.

 

[Hellfire]

Moot's banning of it from 4chan was because at the time was because he was preparing to sell the site off entirely, and Gawker was a prospective buyer. He was purportedly opened up to the possibility of selling it off by the aforementioned girl working for Gawker that eventually cucked his ass.

There was some document leaks that basically established that as part of the deal, he was "cleaning up" 4chan in order to make it look presentable and controllable by installing new moderators and locking down the biggest problem boards (/b/, /robot9000/, /pol/, and /v/). These new moderators happened to have the exact same political striping as the rest of the usual suspects in this confusing spidernest of fucking conflicts-of-interest, and, fittingly, their attempts to lock down shit only made the userbase fucking do it more.

When the news of the lockdown went critical and Gawker was locked onto by the Internet Autism Machine for mass boycotts (ultimately setting it up for destruction by Hulk Hogan), the entire deal fell apart and all the hot pockets in the world were not going to save it, or so speaketh the chantards.

 

[FatNero]

So it's more of a "it was gonna happen one way or another" sort of thing. Makes sense.

So to Doc Brown timeline it:
bullshit bullshit bullshit---> IA Vids! --->MASSIVE BULLSHIT RESPONSE---> Gamergate.

but in alternative 1950 could have been:
bullshit bullshit bullshit ---> Anything else --->MASSIVE BULLSHIT RESPONSE---> Gamergate.

 

[Hellfire]

I found more from Chelsea about that ex-boyfriend, the one who was around 30 when she was 15. Refresher under the spoilers if you missed it before.

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[31/12/2014, 2:58:12 PM] drinternetphd: ffffff
[31/12/2014, 2:58:38 PM] drinternetphd: one of the people they're digging into is someone I "dated" when I was 15 and he was like 30
[31/12/2014, 2:58:46 PM] drinternetphd: who has a criminal record and used to be a heroin user
[31/12/2014, 2:58:50 PM] drinternetphd: I am sure this will go SO FUCKING WELL for me
[31/12/2014, 2:58:57 PM] Izzy (@iglvzx):
[31/12/2014, 2:59:00 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: So they're on a recruitment drive then.
[31/12/2014, 2:59:21 PM] Peter Coffin: I'm just going to say that sounds like you would by default be the victim in that situation
[31/12/2014, 2:59:24 PM] drinternetphd: I am SO FUCKING GLAD that fucking "gamers" are dredging out the shit that I have been trying to heal from and move on from for my entire fucking life
[31/12/2014, 2:59:52 PM] drinternetphd: yeah welcome to my fucking origin. a lot of really horrible shit happened to me that I have worked so hard to move on from
[31/12/2014, 3:00:10 PM] drinternetphd: and now that's being fucking taken away from me
[31/12/2014, 3:00:14 PM] Peter Coffin: i'm sorry
[31/12/2014, 3:00:17 PM] drinternetphd: I spent YEARS fighting for that peace of mind
[31/12/2014, 3:00:24 PM] drinternetphd: basically crawled out of fucking hell
[31/12/2014, 3:01:38 PM] Peter Coffin: god I hate these fucking people.

This is from November 30th, 2014, and was on the GamerGhazi IRC chat. Chelsea suspects this guy as the one who informed 4chan about her nude modeling career and she got butthurt because he (or at least the anonymous poster) told them her actual name. Chelsea also said she had changed her name to Zoe Quinn (although she hadn't at this point, that happened sometime in 2015) to distance herself from her Locke Valentine nudes, to make it easier to Google her, to try and "really start over" because she had moved to another country, and because she was getting involved with "nerd shit" and was supposedly scared someone would be "shitty" to her dad.

Spoiler

Nov 30 11:14:32 <ZoeQuinn> ughhhh
Nov 30 11:14:47 <ZoeQuinn> these are also the same people who kept trying to hack all the moderators I could appoint to the steam community shit for depression quest
Nov 30 11:14:54 <the14fras> jfc
Nov 30 11:14:55 <ZoeQuinn> where actual people with depression were getting jumped all over
Nov 30 11:14:56 <Enleat> I remember the SRD thread posted when the drama shot off. There was SO MUCH DOXX in the comments
Nov 30 11:15:08 <ZoeQuinn> Enleat I wish I had documented all that
Nov 30 11:15:12 <ZoeQuinn> always document everything
Nov 30 11:15:13 <ZoeQuinn> always

Nov 30 11:15:14 <Meneth> Enleat: Even a number of links to the nudes.
Nov 30 11:15:16 <ZoeQuinn> ffff
Nov 30 11:15:17 <LiterallyShill> AlexKing Stephen King >>>>>>
Nov 30 11:15:18 <Enleat> The thread is still there i think
Nov 30 11:15:20 <LiterallyShill> Fry
Nov 30 11:15:21 <LiterallyShill> FUCK
Nov 30 11:15:21 <Enleat> Yes there were nudes
Nov 30 11:15:22 <suir> ugh
Nov 30 11:15:23 <suir> the nudes
Nov 30 11:15:26 <ZoeQuinn> of course
Nov 30 11:15:31 <suir> I saw a link to them on 4chan
Nov 30 11:15:33 <suir> :/
Nov 30 11:15:39 <LiterallyShill> that's fucked
Nov 30 11:15:42 <ZoeQuinn> yeah they're all over at this point
Nov 30 11:15:45 <ZoeQuinn> like
Nov 30 11:15:48 <ZoeQuinn> ugh
Nov 30 11:15:55 <ZoeQuinn> I did that shit under a different name for a reason
Nov 30 11:16:00 <Enleat> I rememeber one person saying 'Don't bother looking for them, you'd rather not see them' or something like that... It was abhorrent
Nov 30 11:16:07 <ZoeQuinn> the only reason it came out was another ex showed up and re-doxed and put all them up
Nov 30 11:16:14 <Enleat> WHAT THE FUCK
Nov 30 11:16:17 <AlexKing> Another ex?
Nov 30 11:16:18 <ZoeQuinn> yeah
Nov 30 11:16:19 <the14fras> well, yes, i'd rather not see someone else's nonconsensually released nude images
Nov 30 11:16:27 <ZoeQuinn> I saw it happen on a 4chan thread
Nov 30 11:16:31 <ZoeQuinn> I have caps
Nov 30 11:16:34 <Enleat> No they were reffering to Zoe's looks the14fras
Nov 30 11:16:37 <ZoeQuinn> I think I know which one it was
Nov 30 11:16:46 <the14fras> i figured, enleat, but i prefer my interpretation @_@
Nov 30 11:16:50 <ZoeQuinn> but yeah
Nov 30 11:16:53 <rarebit> HOLY SHIT
Nov 30 11:16:53 <rarebit> @ZoeQuinn sorry to bother you. I don't know of you saw it when I asked the first time. Did you send the DMCA to Mundane Matt?
Nov 30 11:16:58 <Enleat> So wait, there was ANOTHER ex with a grudge?
Nov 30 11:17:09 <ZoeQuinn> I think it was this dude I dated when I was a teen
Nov 30 11:17:11 <ZoeQuinn> one sec lemme ind it
Nov 30 11:17:11 <tieflingsjwarlock> That is just disgusting. And the sheer fact that they think it's relevant. SOMEONE UNDER 30 WITH NAKED PICTURES. Gasp.
Nov 30 11:17:12 <ZoeQuinn> *find

Nov 30 11:20:19 <ZoeQuinn> ok so
Nov 30 11:20:23 <ZoeQuinn> first post: http://i.imgur.com/jgN2YTF.png
Nov 30 11:20:40 <ZoeQuinn> and he followed it up with this: http://i.imgur.com/tNS9Ugn.png

Nov 30 11:21:04 <suir> well
Nov 30 11:21:12 <suir> legal names = dox
Nov 30 11:21:16 <suir> ergo real
Nov 30 11:21:18 <ZoeQuinn> so yeah. the nudes and legal name thing came from a different ex
Nov 30 11:21:23 <the14fras> are none of them children of immigrant parents or otherwise bicultural
Nov 30 11:21:33 <tieflingsjwarlock> I don't even know. It's one thing to be using a different name to try to pull things over on people.
Nov 30 11:21:54 <Enleat> How fucking obsessed do you have to be for this shit
Nov 30 11:22:02 <Meneth> Like, did the first king of Norway after the union ended not use his real name just because he took on a regnal name?
Nov 30 11:22:08 <LiterallyShill> Enleat unhealthily
Nov 30 11:22:13 <ZoeQuinn> I dated a creepy dude when I was a teenager who was way older and way too into 4chan
Nov 30 11:22:17 <ZoeQuinn> so I would bet anything it was him

Nov 30 11:23:10 <ZoeQuinn> tieflingsjwarlock: I changed it partially to distance myself from the naked stuff and partially to make myself easier to google and partly cause I had just moved to a new country to start over and wanted to really start over

Nov 30 11:23:58 <tieflingsjwarlock> I had been seriously considering changing at least my surname prior to trying to change industries, just for that "start over" kind of thing.
Nov 30 11:24:20 <tieflingsjwarlock> And then my dad died and now it's like, urgh, I didn't even like him but I feel like doing it now would be seen as a giant betrayal by the rest of my family.
Nov 30 11:24:24 <ZoeQuinn> oof
Nov 30 11:24:27 <ZoeQuinn> yeah understandable
Nov 30 11:24:31 <Enleat> Jesus Christ
Nov 30 11:24:32 <ZoeQuinn> that was the other reason
Nov 30 11:24:34 <ZoeQuinn> ironically

Nov 30 11:24:48 <ZoeQuinn> I changed my name cause I was going into nerd shit and I was worried after growing up online someone might be shitty to my dad
Nov 30 11:24:51 <rarebit> I saw a thread on 4chan with police report and details about the stalking creeepy dude
Nov 30 11:24:53 <ZoeQuinn> so I wanted to protect him
Nov 30 11:24:56 <Enleat> High five Meneth !
Nov 30 11:25:03 <ZoeQuinn> SO MUCH FOR THAT

 

[MysteriousStranger]

This was a fun read over coffee. Thanks, Kiwis!

 

[Rou]

I'd like to clarify something about GamerGate on 4chan. You could discuss it there, and it was for over a month. And it was the most horrid series of threads ever seen on /v/, and was nothing more than a platform for /pol/ to manipulate /v/ and make it their colony. I don't remember seeing Happy Merchant in such frequency as during GG on 4chan. It left such a dirty taste in my mouth, it wasn't until very recently that I saw that GG was not nearly as bad as their opposition.

So in other words, its removal from 4chan was a good thing. You really don't need them, especially if you want to claim the high ground.

 

[NQ 952]

I vote we rename kiwifarms to @Hellfire and @Jaimas.