Total Retard War: Lessons of War - Taking the tactics of Honeycomb.io's Field CTO Liz Fong-Jones and making them available to everyone.

[Null]

It's a bit optimistic to assume that the Current Year government will help, but a retreat to .onion for a while wouldn't be so terrible.

We literally already did this. We spent 2 months on Tor only in the middle of the year.

 

[MavisBeaconTeachesSnipin]

Cogent's actions probably weren't cleared with their Legal department; putting their lawyers on alert might get someone asking WTF are they doing.

this sounds smart. maybe they can go this hard, but maybe not forever without eventually trigger the corporate mechanism to slow down.

Someone who glows and may or may not know Janke's dad

I agree despite having no proof lol. it's the elephant in the room everyone jokes about but there's no meaningful specific information. we won't ever get any either bc this level of subversion is far enough down the rabbit hole that there's a 0% anyone with power will want to know.

 

[WelperHelper99]

True. Migrating off our own site because of some cube-headed troon's bullshit is a display of profound weakness.

Better to die on our feet than live on our knees

 

[Monopoly Supporter]

I joined because I have not seen anything about RIFO transparency requirements being mentioned. -snip-

The Cogent Internet Access Disclosure (A) got brought up earlier as well. This it the document that the FCC's RIFO requires all ISPs to have detailing blocking, throttling, etc. It's not one of those documents that can just say "we do whatever we want fuck you and die." No no no. These are promises that the ISP is making to its customers. See footnote 512 (BIAS stands for Broadband Internet Access Service):

The RIFO does have an exemption for Internet Backbone services:

Thankfully, according to Cogent themselves, "Cogent does not offer non-broadband Internet access service data services" and repeatedly calls themselves an "Internet Service Provider." I have to assume that the FCC meant non-broadband "backbone services" to mean dark fiber companies like Crown Castle (#1 owner of cell towers) that own a bunch of infrastructure and cabling but lease it out to customers who can send whatever they want through the cable.
Cogent does have the typical CYA in the footer but I am not sure how much this actually can cover their ass. Anyone have a doctorate in CYAology?

Cogent has a long standing position of liking free peering being pro-Net Neutrality and pro-Title II. And it doesn't matter anyways because Cogent took action without updating their disclosures, which according to the FCC, is a violation of FTC Section 5 "unfair or deceptive acts or practices in or affecting commerce."
The idea of this is that if someone (another ISP or an edge provider) does business with Cogent under the pretense that, I don't know, Cogent won't suddenly disconnect them from the Internet, screwing over all of their customers, just because they happen to host permit access to an over-the-top US legal drama forum:

They can sue Cogent for damages. I don't think that saying "people making fun of me on the Internet is child porn" is a valid argument. Cogent does have a separate AUP (A) but I don't think that matters because the disclosures document doesn't mention ANY AUP and the disclosures document is the legal document requested by the FCC. The AUP is like YouTube Community Guidelines which doesn't mean anything anyways because Rule 0 of AUPs is that the moderator is always right and you are always wrong. Cogent says that they only block to "comply with applicable law." Cogent might go for the defamation angle. Defamation (which you should never do because you should never lie about people) is not a crime, it is not illegal, it is a tort. If Cogent wants to say that statements that some claim to be defamatory is banned from being trafficked, then they should have put that in the disclosures!

Cogent is legally within its rights to notify all its customers about new rules going into effect that require their customers to monitor all their customers for mean comments and reply to Cogent's schizophrenic Abuse emails. But something tells me that most ISPs, who already hate Cogent, would rather deal with FCC red tape bullshit than deal with 3am calls from Cogent telling them that their Internet access will be disconnected in 2 hours if they don't forward to 10 friends within 15 minutes censor the Internet.

 

[GenociderSyo]

Have we considered any of the following:

1. A completely new website and operator that hasn't been debanked and completely blackballed? (sorry Null) Just carry on with a new brand on a new forum and treat KF as an archive in-place. You could reset the clock on a lot of the fuckery that's happened the past few years

I think you'd be hard pressed to find anyone with the willingness that Null has to deal with this shit.

 

[Creative Username]

We literally already did this. We spent 2 months on Tor only in the middle of the year.

I know, I was lurking on the .onion domain then. Maybe there's some site upgrading or background improvement shit you could do if you didn't have to juggle all the clearnet DNS bullshit on top of it. That's where I was coming from, but I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about anyway. I guess clearnet is your #1 priority.

Better to die on our feet than live on our knees

I will not use KF2, and I will not live in the Xitter pod.

I think you'd be hard pressed to find anyone with the willingness that Null has to deal with this shit.

He's sacrificing a lot to keep a small forum of absolute retards on the Internet.

 

[Null]

I know, I was lurking on the .onion domain then. Maybe there's some site upgrading or background improvement shit you could do if you didn't have to juggle all the clearnet DNS bullshit on top of it. That's where I was coming from, but I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about anyway. I guess clearnet is your #1 priority.

I greatly simplified our tor backend. When I use tor I get extraordinarily good connectivity now.

 

[Haramburger]

Mr. Moon was more hostile than normal to Cogent just to justify Total Retard War banner, because red banner/green site theme is Christmas colors. Most aesthetic free speech battle of the season, very cool.

I greatly simplified our tor backend. When I use tor I get extraordinarily good connectivity now.

The mobile experience was surprisingly improved

 

[Null]

The Cogent Internet Access Disclosure (A) got brought up earlier as well. This it the document that the FCC's RIFO requires all ISPs to have detailing blocking, throttling, etc. It's not one of those documents that can just say "we do whatever we want fuck you and die." No no no. These are promises that the ISP is making to its customers. See footnote 512 (BIAS stands for Broadband Internet Access Service):

You have hit me with a document I've never seen before and seem to know a lot of specifics.

Who is the victim of Cogent's actions under this regulation, and how and to whom would they report their issue?

 

[Null]

Mr. Moon was more hostile than normal to Cogent just to justify Total Retard War banner, because red banner/green site theme is Christmas colors. Most aesthetic free speech battle of the season, very cool.


The mobile experience was surprisingly improved

bro nobody sees the green bar except staff. pic for those wondering what this schizo janny is talking about.

 

[Haramburger]

bro nobody sees the green bar except staff. pic for those wondering what this schizo janny is talking about.

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I meant the default green text, not the staff bar. Not trying to agitate you.

 

[WelperHelper99]

You have hit me with a document I've never seen before and seem to know a lot of specifics.

Who is the victim of Cogent's actions under this regulation, and how and to whom would they report their issue?

He also joined today with 2 posts.

 

[Creative Username]

I greatly simplified our tor backend. When I use tor I get extraordinarily good connectivity now.

Yeah, .onion is a dream to use. It didn't work when I tried to log in today, however. I had to use .hk and I was mad. At least .hk is fast too.

pic for those wondering what this schizo janny is talking about.

Beautiful.

I meant the default green text, not the staff bar. Not trying to agitate you.

Honestly, the red banner meshes really well with the janny bar.

He also joined today with 2 posts.

There are a few posters in KF history who join, make a single extremely good post with domain-specific knowledge that completely changes the course of the thread, and then disappear back into whatever void they came out of. These posters are much better than niggers that reply to things and offer shitty surface-level observations and mediocre humor without contributing anything, such as @Creative Username.

He also might be a lurker that joined to say this, who intends to keep posting. Or maybe a throwaway? I don't know.

 

[WelperHelper99]

There are a few posters in KF history who join, make a single extremely good post with domain-specific knowledge that completely changes the course of the thread, and then disappear back into whatever void they came out of. These posters are much better than niggers that reply to things and offer shitty surface-level observations and mediocre humor without contributing anything, such as @Creative Username.

He also might be a lurker that joined to say this, who intends to keep posting. Or maybe a throwaway? I don't know.

I mean it's possible. It just feels like mana from heaven. Maybe it is. And if so it is wonderful. It certainly warrants investigating to make sure this isn't a wild goose chase, because if true, holy fuck we are in buisness bois. I just wish to be careful, that's all

 

[BohrokSwarms]

I do not contribute much to this conversation, save for a gripping theme which may summarize our collective dedication

 

[Creative Username]

I mean it's possible. It just feels like mana from heaven. Maybe it is. And if so it is wonderful. It certainly warrants investigating to make sure this isn't a wild goose chase, because if true, holy fuck we are in buisness bois. I just wish to be careful, that's all

It's just information. Null will ask his network of people who actually know what they're doing, do his own research into the matter, or do whatever he does, and he'll take actions based on that. If that guy posted some retarded irrelevant shit, the worst that will happen is a bit of wasted time.

 

[AnOminous]

Have we considered any of the following:

Jihad on all of those.

Better to die on our feet than live on our knees

I'd rather live on our feet while these fuckers die on THEIR knees.

 

[WelperHelper99]

It's just information. Null will ask his network of people who actually know what they're doing, do his own research into the matter, or do whatever he does, and he'll take actions based on that. If that guy posted some retarded irrelevant shit, the worst that will happen is a bit of wasted time.

Yeah you're right. I was being a bit paranoid and retarded, so I'm sorry

 

[Tetragrammaton]

I mean it's possible. It just feels like mana from heaven. Maybe it is. And if so it is wonderful. It certainly warrants investigating to make sure this isn't a wild goose chase, because if true, holy fuck we are in buisness bois. I just wish to be careful, that's all

with all the enemies cogent has who knows. maybe someone saw what josh was saying on xitter and felt the need to share some info.

 

[MarMar049]

@Null
Hey Josh there are currently some people on the sharty talking about posting the "Tiananmen square copypasta" here so the Hong Kong will drop us, can they actually drop kiwi farms because of that or are we safe from that?