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thanks for your concentrated autism Null
Total Retard War: Lessons of War - Taking the tactics of Honeycomb.io's Field CTO Liz Fong-Jones and making them available to everyone.
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thanks for your concentrated autism Null
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Honestly quite possible. Cogent certainly isn't a popular kid, just a powerful one. It could be a opposing company informing us- they might think we have a chance of harming their competition
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Western understanding of China is incredibly juvenile and retarded
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It's okay, we all sperg the fuck out sometimes.
It looks like that shit is a reason for other ISPs to sue Cogent for being retarded, so I think what Null should do is somehow notify Cogent's business partners that this is possible, if possible. It's probably not a valid option though, because these companies already seem to despise Cogent and they aren't already doing it for some reason. It probably doesn't benefit them as much as it would benefit us.
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Also, good luck trying to spam on a moderated forum with an approval queue.
It's not only concentrated, it's weapons-grade. Weapons-grade autism is about an order of magnitude more powerful than the nuclear strong force.
If that was the case, it probably would have been an email to Josh. My guess is that it's some autist with information to share.
These are sharty posters, the very definition of juvenile retards.
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It may be one of those "it's possible but it's going to cost your soul" type things to actually enforce it. Maybe it's very recent and has very little case law on it? Mysterious.
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When the sharty doxxed the coffin game's developer people on 8chan thought it a good idea to report the sharty to cloudflare, which promptly got their shit kicked and now some retards on sharty want to kick Kiwifarms off Hong Kong. Why are these faggots on all these fragile, fringe sites so intent on destroying everything and each other? It boggles the mind.
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I'll bet a lot of it is related to autism and absent father figures.
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Western understanding of anything outside the West*
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The last time I read this document was a few years ago when they changed the NN rules so I am trying to re-work through it myself.
The victim would be anyone who is paying Cogent for Internet connection and is unable to access KiwiFarms.
The wording in the RIFO says that disclosure doesn't apply to "transit services" because there the traffic could take multiple paths. I don't know how BGP/inter-ISP routing works but if Cogent is accepting packets destined to KiwiFarms and just dropping them instead of refusing the connection and having the traffic go another path, then they are going against the purpose of separating transit services from ISPs and is the same as the mailman dumping your packages in a ditch because he doesn't like you.
Another question arises on if it matters on what direction the block is going. Comcast blocking BitTorrent is an example of blocking used in RIFO, but BitTorrent is bidirectional P2P. Most (all the ones I have looked at) ISPs will list the ports that they block inbound connections to in their disclosures. Usually its TCP/25 SMTP and UDP/1900 UPnP for obvious reasons but sometimes there will be Port 80. Residential/Small Business ISPs (e.g. CenturyLink) will sell (if you ask hard enough and have them send a guy to screw with some wires on a pole because CenturyLink is retarded) people leases to static IP blocks they can then register with ARIN which is essentially what goes on when a small ISP in an office (read: datacenter) gets transit from a big ISP. Based on this, a case could be made that ISP customers of Cogent unable to communicate with other people on the Internet regarding KiwiFarms due to a content block on KiwiFarms would be victims. Is "KiwiFarms traffic" not less of a category of internet traffic than "BitTorrent traffic?". If it turns out that the blocking disclosure also relate to outbound traffic, not just inbound traffic, then smaller ISPs/hosting providers that use Cogent as their ISP and host KiwiFarms content would be the victim because KiwiFarms content is being discriminated against.
An easier case can be made that if some guy who uses Cogent as his ISP in a datacenter installs a VPN (that he owns) on his server (that he doesn't necessarily have to own) and then cannot connect to KiwiFarms because Cogent is blocking KiwiFarms, then he would be a victim. This doesn't require any mental gymnastics or legal questions, it's clear that this would need to be disclosed by Cogent, which it isn't.
The absolute easiest victim to find is if a "small business" or "enterprise" who has Cogent as their ISP was unable to access KiwiFarms because Cogent is blocking it.
This is because it removes the argument about "transit service" vs ISPs (NOTE: this is from 2010 and has been changed by 2017 RIFO as will be mentioned later):
But I don't think that Cogent is a "transit service" even though they meet some of the requirements because they exclusively market themselves as an Internet Service Provider and according to themselves, "only provide Broadband Internet Access Service." If you look at HE or Zayos website you will be hardpressed to find them calling themselves an "Internet Service Provider." They don't have disclosures either because they market themselves as a transit service/backbone. This doesn't change the fact that HE violates Washington's HB2282 Net Neutrality bill/law.
But FCC included a "no loopholes" rule in 2017 that says you can't just call yourself a transit service to evade the rules:
So I am 90% sure that due to this paragraph, Cogent is an ISP (and HE is probably one too).
I am not a lawyer and just a autist with too much free time on my hands to read obscure telecom law.
TLDR:
Definitely victim: people paying Cogent for Internet access making outbound connections to KF.
Very likely a victim: people in datacenters paying Cogent for Internet access making outbound connections to KF.
Probably a victim: ISPs paying Cogent for Internet access being blocked if they try to use the Internet for KiwiFarms related content.
For reporting probably file a informal complaint with the FCC and FTC. Nobody has the money to file a formal complaint ($450).
I will end this post with this quote from Cogent explaining why it's impossible for "transit providers" to censor the Internet, unlike ISPs (even though many more "transit providers" have censored KF than ISPs have):
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All interesting points. I'll talk to my guy. I might need a technology specialist attorney and I don't know any.
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First I want to start off with none of this is my idea. I was volunteered and now that I'm involved I want to make the best of it.
The idea is not to change the overall reputation of Kiwi Farms. This isn't really about Kiwi Farms. Kiwi Farms is currently experiencing an unprecedented level of deplatforming of which organizations like the EFF and others should be ringing the alarm bells over. But they don't because they're ideologically compromised. Many people find it all to easy to ignore things they know are wrong if they happen to the "right" people. So how do we then place pressure onto these organizations who should be speaking up?
Kiwi Farms is a legitimate website, it's legal and it serves many functions. Many things have happened on this forum. The forum is inclusive and the userbase is diverse, and as God Emperor Justin Trudeau says "diversity is our strength". Despite that we are cartoonishly vilified as a monolith. Kiwi Farms does serve the public interest by being a platform for communication that is censored by corporate cartels and government jawboning. This is how Kiwi Farms must be presented, not that it's good, but rather it is neutral. That by it's very nature contains things people want removed from the internet. Many people will accept a level of "toxicity" if there's even an ounce of good to it. It is the people's way to blow the whistle, outside of all power structures. We're not trying to hide our chudliness, but point out everything that might surprise those who have fallen victim to the propaganda. Not even "here's a good thing we've done", just simply breaking stereotypes like "we have an entire board filled with people making fun of right wing ecelebs", "we have a shockingly large female userbase", tokenism, basically. This is also the reason why I feel like in general trans topics should be avoided because we want to avoid reinforcing those stereotypes. That's just my opinion, Josh disagrees, I think there can be two different blog posts. A deep dive on LFJ and the connection to TLL.
If we can convince people that Kiwi Farms is in the public interest, even slightly. That might get them to stop turning the other way when they see this level of deplatforming happening. We need to convince the radical centrist. The people who hate us, hate us, they don't care about truth or dangerous precedents.
I've always thought there should be a board for PIPs (Politically Important People), while it might make you think it'd bring more fire down upon us, making yourself involved in the public interest so directly grants a ton of legitimacy.
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If I may so humbly offer what has already been previously stated,
The Kiwi Farms needs an official PR team with the ability to be diplomatic to outsiders. Null, as much as I love your zest for telling soul-sold jurnos to go pound sand, on the off chance a normie wanders here or (((they))) post your response to their request to comment, it needs to make sense and be relatable. There are plenty of wordsmiths on the farms (including yours truly) who would jump at the opportunity to investigate and write a beautifully worded summary of how X, Y & Z didn't kill themselves because of the Farms with relevant pictures and links included.
Telling normies to "read the thread" and "figure it out yourself" won't work. They want a link to where it's a nice little summary all wrapped up in a bow with some pretty pictures that prove your point. I hate the idea we have to play ball with people who are set out to maim us, but that for most of us already is our regular 9-5. We have to play their game at least a little bit and if that is unpaid emotional labor from some of your most trusted wordsmiths writing a nice little summary that your reply to a jurno links to for publication or is easily found on your beloved forum, it's a lot better than coming off as angey in the newsrags.
The Kiwi Farms needs an official PR team with the ability to be diplomatic to outsiders. Null, as much as I love your zest for telling soul-sold jurnos to go pound sand, on the off chance a normie wanders here or (((they))) post your response to their request to comment, it needs to make sense and be relatable. There are plenty of wordsmiths on the farms (including yours truly) who would jump at the opportunity to investigate and write a beautifully worded summary of how X, Y & Z didn't kill themselves because of the Farms with relevant pictures and links included.
Telling normies to "read the thread" and "figure it out yourself" won't work. They want a link to where it's a nice little summary all wrapped up in a bow with some pretty pictures that prove your point. I hate the idea we have to play ball with people who are set out to maim us, but that for most of us already is our regular 9-5. We have to play their game at least a little bit and if that is unpaid emotional labor from some of your most trusted wordsmiths writing a nice little summary that your reply to a jurno links to for publication or is easily found on your beloved forum, it's a lot better than coming off as angey in the newsrags.
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LBRY guy "https://twitter.com/jeremykauffman" probably has some good contacts.
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When journos ask Josh to comment, they've already thoroughly stabbed him with Morton's fork. If he doesn't respond, they'll say "he refused to comment" under their smear piece. If he refutes their claims with evidence, they'll just vaguely say that he "denied" the statements. If he calls them gay nigger retards, they'll say as much. It's an exercise in futility to talk to journos. Otherwise, you have a good point.
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A lot of progress has been made in just one day. Keep it up everyone!
Remember that we have two things that Dong-Gone doesn’t have. Functional genitals and a genuine community.
Remember that we have two things that Dong-Gone doesn’t have. Functional genitals and a genuine community.
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We also have something very powerful, that Long-Gone-Dong Fong-Jones can't comprehend: Humor.
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Naw, never talk to journos. They hate us, they only want to spin. As they say in journalism "give them enough rope to hang themselves" and then censor everything else. Grass roots is the only way to go. You just gotta load people up with talking points.
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Even then if we can make his statement that is based in evidence in truth easily findable and digestible, it will change hearts and minds more so than the current strategy.
I cannot imagine that every time KF is brought in the news people don't do their own research. Null and his Kiwis have wonderful work to share and passion that is waiting to be seen, if only it could be made easier to find and process that information for the uninitiated.
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People that read journo hitpieces usually don't do their own research. Journalists are taken as authority by these people.
No matter if what they say is a lie, people will believe it anyways and it will be cited on Wikipedia and in other sources making it even more harder for anyone to verify whether it was true or not.
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While I do like the idea of making easily-digestible resources that address all of the bullshit thrown at the forum, it would be for the benefit of everyone except journos and their readers (who aren't interested in actual research in the slightest).
A Kiwi Farms PR Team or Outreach Program would be fun tho, I'd love to help with something like that.