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[Seething Troon Collector]

And if SCOTUS backstabs Trump (they did once before), its also the confirmation that things truly are THAT dire and there is no branch of the government we can relay on not even a bit.

That seems to be what the Democratic Party is hoping for. Get rid of Trump on enough ballots and people won’t show up…ergo Biden gets handed another term. I wasn’t ever really a believer in the stolen election narrative and never looked into it, but after they would try a repeat of 1860, well it makes me wonder.

Here’s the rub, you’re making a big bet on the now disenfranchised voter base taking the election fuckery lying down. After 3+ years of Wuhan Flu, economic desperation, the largest inflation episode in a generation, and outright censorship. I don’t think I’d make that bet. People are angry, but moreover, people are feeling desperate and helpless. That’s a toxic combination.

Throwing the Supreme Court a hand grenade of a constitutional question under that implicit threat, versus the threat of manipulating the court if the Democratic Party doesn’t get what it wants should be considered tantamount to treason.

I don’t even like Trump, he’s a snake, but holy fuck they’re willing to burn it all down for TDS. Will non-uniparty aligned conservatives take their fedposts from online to RL, who knows. But even laying the foundation for such a possibility is evidence that they’re not fit to serve as public administrators or adjudicators of law in the United States.

 

[Romulus augustulus]

I don't agree with the common notion that the roman empire collapsed because of muh barbarian invasion. It's just not true. the WRE collapsed because of many issues such as the loss of tax revenue to hyper inflation, the loss of the major grain supply when the vandals took Carthage, and a badly timed rebellion. in fact, many of the so called barbarians had been living under roman rule and the roman system for decades in not hundreds of years in the case of the Gauls, and north Africans. The Catholic church stepped in to fill the void left by the late emperors.

the various post roman nations in the 6th century were essentially roman. they followed roman law, latin was the legal language, followed roman institutions, and the list goes on. every single western European nation (and the US by extension) has a lot and I mean A LOT of roman influence.

a more comparable situation would be if the Federal government disappeared tomorrow. the 50 US states would still be American culturally.

 

[Molly Millions]

I'm rooting for Covid

 

[northstar747]

America isnt rome. I have a boner for rome as much as the next guy.

 

[Coptakhenaten]

I don't agree with the common notion that the roman empire collapsed because of muh barbarian invasion. It's just not true. the WRE collapsed because of many issues such as the loss of tax revenue to hyper inflation, the loss of the major grain supply when the vandals took Carthage, and a badly timed rebellion. in fact, many of the so called barbarians had been living under roman rule and the roman system for decades in not hundreds of years in the case of the Gauls, and north Africans. The Catholic church stepped in to fill the void left by the late emperors.

the various post roman nations in the 6th century were essentially roman. they followed roman law, latin was the legal language, followed roman institutions, and the list goes on. every single western European nation (and the US by extension) has a lot and I mean A LOT of roman influence.

a more comparable situation would be if the Federal government disappeared tomorrow. the 50 US states would still be American culturally.

America isnt rome. I have a boner for rome as much as the next guy.

The main similarity between late Western Rome and America is the absolute disdain and incompetence of politicians at the top. If you learned about all the drama involving Honorius and Olympius that led to Rome being sacked by Alaric, you will see the various parallels to how half the world is ditching the United States diplomatically. Our leaders are burning bridges for absolutely no reason with no backup plan pissing off everyone and only damaging our country further.

 

[Romulus augustulus]

America isnt rome. I have a boner for rome as much as the next guy.

Of course it isn't. and anyone who makes such comparison seriously is ignoring history.

 

[Betonhaus]

I don’t even like Trump, he’s a snake, but holy fuck they’re willing to burn it all down for TDS. Will non-uniparty aligned conservatives take their fedposts from online to RL, who knows. But even laying the foundation for such a possibility is evidence that they’re not fit to serve as public administrators or adjudicators of law in the United States.

It's honestly kind of fascinating. In their push to delegitimise Trump to get back to Democrat control it's like they triggered a feedback loop where they try to convince others that Trump is horrible but end up convincing themselves so they feel forced to double down, then double down again because they scared themselves more. It's a psychological manipulation experiment gone horribly horribly wrong.

In a few years we will be cancelling history classes because all our textbooks will be accepted as nothing but lies.

 

[The Last Stand]

I don’t even like Trump, he’s a snake, but holy fuck they’re willing to burn it all down for TDS.

How is Trump a snake, at least compared to everybody else in that game? January 6th? Yeah, that was on their accord.

 

[Sweeter and Savoury]

I'm rooting for Covid

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lol, look at Sanders still trotting out that ole chestnut "I'm grateful for the vaccine" bullshit.

I guess he wants to make sure Big Pharma sends him another cheque when election season rolls around.

What a fucking joke of a politician.

 

[xXx: State of the Union]

I'm rooting for Covid

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I bet I could watch two homos fucking in the ass and sucking each other off and it wouldn't come off as faggy as this tweet.

 

[The Hardest R]

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Just remember, fuckers: you voted for this.
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Nimarata is a pajeet and thus has no real grasp on anything regarding America except how to exploit it. Recall that about a decade ago she eagerly supported getting rid of the confederate flag during her tenure as governor. So somehow she had a grasp on what the civil war was about then. She just does the needful in hopes people are stupid enough to play along.

tldr; conservative women are upset men like to look at pretty things, the pinup women themselves are being generic thots wanting attention even though many of them are married, and the photos just aren't that impressive. Nothing says pinup like wasted space with below a-cups and a TDS RINO holding guns. Everyone on all sides of this are fake and gay.

That calendar is a great summation of conservative politics. All I know about conservative women is that in 2020, they bent the knee to bleat about how much they love Nigger Lives Matter as hard if not harder than any progressive. Sounds like a wonderful group of people that should be pandered to.

Gonna be fun to watch because it can no longer be punted, they have to make some kind of ruling one way or another.

They can and likely will keep doing it and just keep having SCOTUS rule on it every time. Time it just well enough to where it’s a game of whack a mole. Or they could just ignore the ruling outright like with student loans. Nobody is going to enforce the ruling if it goes against the state’s intentions. They want Trump the fuck off ballots and will think of many ways to stop it. Just wait until we find out all write-ins have to be thrown out too,

 

[Seething Troon Collector]

How is Trump a snake, at least compared to everybody else in that game?

When you put it that way you make a good point. He isn't really better than anyone else in the political minefield. But to me his only redeeming qualities are that he does two things really well. He is a lightning rod that people outside of D.C. and state power centers can rally around and thus begin to question why things are so fucked up, and personally, I think it's fun to watch him rage at established political animals.

Outside of those two very specific instances he's...well, there's a whole thread on him here. He isn't some savior, he's just a guy and a weird one at that who has done some weird and fucked up shit.

 

[mlanguishi]

Outside of those two very specific instances he's...well, there's a whole thread on him here. He isn't some savior, he's just a guy and a weird one at that who has done some weird and fucked up shit.

Here's another one. Even if you think Trump was lousy on Covid, and I think he was.. Imagine Hillary with Covid as her sword and shield.

 

[Dog-O-Tron 5000v5.0]

I don't agree with the common notion that the roman empire collapsed because of muh barbarian invasion. It's just not true. the WRE collapsed because of many issues such as the loss of tax revenue to hyper inflation, the loss of the major grain supply when the vandals took Carthage, and a badly timed rebellion. in fact, many of the so called barbarians had been living under roman rule and the roman system for decades in not hundreds of years in the case of the Gauls, and north Africans. The Catholic church stepped in to fill the void left by the late emperors.

the various post roman nations in the 6th century were essentially roman. they followed roman law, latin was the legal language, followed roman institutions, and the list goes on. every single western European nation (and the US by extension) has a lot and I mean A LOT of roman influence.

a more comparable situation would be if the Federal government disappeared tomorrow. the 50 US states would still be American culturally.

Rome had two falls (3 if you count 1453). The US is mirroring the first two in different ways.

The Roman Republic fell in the last century BC when their democratic elected system fell apart due to power hunger, corruption, and infighting. They were killing politicians in the street, strongman would take over between periods of increasingly pointless elections and drum up lists of enemies to kill or exile. When Augustus came in as the final strongman everyone was falling over themselves to hand him power to stop the bleeding. While this isn't a 1:1 parallel to now, if you want to see what could happen and how people felt about it when a democracy falls before your eyes, read up on the end of the Republic.

The 2nd fall was the fall of the Western Empire in the 5th century due to incompetent leaders and mass hostile migrations poorly integrating into the nation. This is also happening.

The fucked up shit is, the Romans never had to deal with this at the same time...

 

[The Last Stand]

When you put it that way you make a good point. He isn't really better than anyone else in the political minefield. But to me his only redeeming qualities are that he does two things really well. He is a lightning rod that people outside of D.C. and state power centers can rally around and thus begin to question why things are so fucked up, and personally, I think it's fun to watch him rage at established political animals.

Outside of those two very specific instances he's...well, there's a whole thread on him here. He isn't some savior, he's just a guy and a weird one at that who has done some weird and fucked up shit.

While all of that is valid, at this point, I want Trump to win as a monkey wrench against everything that has happened the past four years. I'm tired. I can at least laugh at Trump's gaffes and grift orbiters of their stupidity.

 

[Molly Millions]

Here's another one. Even if you think Trump was lousy on Covid, and I think he was.. Imagine Hillary with Covid as her sword and shield.

I don't think it's an understatement to say that the world was quite literally saved by denying her the Presidency. Hillary Clinton is a violent militarist who has never met a war she didn't like. We might have attacked China if she was in office.

They would respond to her agression by launching their nuclear arsenal and ending all life on Earth. Billions dead in mere moments and all avoided because of the genius and cunning of Steve Bannon.

 

[Romulus augustulus]

Rome had two falls (3 if you count 1453). The US is mirroring the first two in different ways.

The Roman Republic fell in the last century BC when their democratic elected system fell apart due to power hunger, corruption, and infighting. They were killing politicians in the street, strongman would take over between periods of increasingly pointless elections and drum up lists of enemies to kill or exile. When Augustus came in as the final strongman everyone was falling over themselves to hand him power to stop the bleeding. While this isn't a 1:1 parallel to now, if you want to see what could happen and how people felt about it when a democracy falls before your eyes, read up on the end of the Republic.

The 2nd fall was the fall of the Western Empire in the 5th century due to incompetent leaders and mass hostile migrations poorly integrating into the nation. This is also happening.

The fucked up shit is, the Romans never had to deal with this at the same time...

I agree that the US is in a similar situation to the Roman republic, in broad strokes.

Odoacer and Theodoric can't really be classified as part of "hostile migrations not integrating" in my opinion. they were thoroughly romanized. Odoacer was quite smart IMO for not taking the throne in ravenna, thereby breaking the endless power struggle by ending the very thing being struggled over. He returned the WRE's crown jewels to the east and accepted the title of patrician in return. Officially he was ruling the west for the east at that point, even if he was de-facto independent.

it was the same for Theodoric the great (real name Flavius Theodoricus). he was given the title of patrician and so on, and actually ruled over a short golden age in Italy. He spend huge amounts of restoring decrepit civil buildings all over the peninsula. ofc this all fell apart during the Gothic wars.

Theodoric was fond of saying (according to historians):
"An able Goth wants to be like a Roman; only a poor Roman would want to be like a Goth"

A great book on the post roman dark ages is "The Inheritance of Rome" by chris wickham. it covers the years 400-1000.

 

[northstar747]

The main similarity between late Western Rome and America is the absolute disdain and incompetence of politicians at the top. If you learned about all the drama involving Honorius and Olympius that led to Rome being sacked by Alaric, you will see the various parallels to how half the world is ditching the United States diplomatically. Our leaders are burning bridges for absolutely no reason with no backup plan pissing off everyone and only damaging our country further.

Again I really disagree.

The US does not have the same challenges the Roman Empire faced, nor the same geography, or even the same security issues. Fuck the Founding Fathers were fucking roman weebs to the Nth degree and despite all the bitching and moaning we do here, they fucking did a pretty good job regarding some common problems in goverment, and yes a different set of problems arose.

what makes America such a fucking power house is its geography. The natural resources, waters ways for transportation, fucking security etc.

Yes what everyone wants to make comparisons to is the fucking patrition/equstrian class and their failures.

We dont have a self described ruling class anymore. Whats evolved for most of the world in the wake of the both world wars and industrialization is we dont have a (ruling) class or an (elite) class we have the higher ranks of a (managerial) class that are incestuous from going to the same ivy league schools and running in the same circles.

Our allies have their own problems and the Biden admin doesnt have the correct people to provide leadership because we need more butt fuckers!!! black WYMEN of color!!!

The populist movement I would say started with OWS it got subverted, trump was an honest fluke, its done more to scare the system soo fucking bad, they are panicking. The problem from where I am sitting is that more and more people are unhappy and trump energizes the base. Both the dems and gop to syphon off some of that power, and should be working to tap the populist movement.

Give the maga's a wall, fuck pardon the J6 ers. give something to everybody instead they keep doing more and more stupid shit.

When portland and sacramento become their own kingdoms is when I will say america is like rome

 

[Dog-O-Tron 5000v5.0]

A great book on the post roman dark ages is "The Inheritance of Rome" by chris wickham. it covers the years 400-1000

Oh, I agree. I'm talking less about the Romanized Goth leaders you mention (and you can add your namesake's father to that list) as much the overall waves of migrations for the previous century, the areas of Hispania and Gaul that integrated so poorly they had separate laws for Romans and Germans, etc.

I see parallels now with Hispanics and Somalis moving in en masse and forming their own neighborhoods, not assimilating, not becoming citizens, and us bending over backwards to accommodate non-English speakers. It could be argued it took longer for Latin to bastardize due to the lack of mass media. Modern culture could cause English to fade out in our lifetimes, especially since it's rayciss.

I've not read that book, but I've read a lot of Cameron, Brown, and Bury. A great channel on Late Antiquity on YouTube is Maiorianus. https://youtube.com/@Maiorianus_Sebastian?si=FC08f3zwNoNIGeCm

 

[northstar747]

I see parallels now with Hispanics and Somalis moving in en masse and forming their own neighborhoods, not assimilating, not becoming citizens, and us bending over backwards to accommodate non-English speakers. It could be argued it took longer for Latin to bastardize due to the lack of mass media. Modern culture could cause English to fade out in our lifetimes, especially since it's rayciss.

There have always been ethic neighborhoods where minorities speak the language of the "home country" germans, italians, the fucking creole etc.

I move through immigrant communities and grew up next to the barrio.

Besides foreign ties, there have been tones on religious groups trying to create gods kingdom on earth groups like the minonites, the Mormons, quakers, shakers, and 1000s of others that have come and gone.

English is a fucking weird language, it doesnt barrow it will fucking steal!. The thought police love to try to play word games, but they wont make people speak a new made up language or use another.

I know where your comming from and in a way I would say the white liberals want to worship niggers for vitue signaling reasons

But when the tranny niggers try to take over something from white people. The white people tend to shut it down. Like the boston gay parade, or all those safe space coffee shops that trust fundies try to open in portland.

fuck the DIE grift is losing steam.