Are Viruses Real?

[Cheeseknife]

I didn't bring up feeling personally attacked

Yes you did:

You're taking this all way too personally

Now please stop derailing the thread with your faggotry.

 

[Tablet County]

You don't genuinely believe anything, but you find it weird that he has "MoRe Of A pErSoNaL sTaKe". Okay, lol. You'll really just say anything.

Yes, I don't genuinely believe that he is defending you so that you'll have sex with him.

He's just combing through my posts trying to tell me that I'm wrong for having an opinion and agreeing with you rather than actually spend that time looking into the topic. And the funny thing is, I don't even know what his opinion actually is about this, only that he seemingly doesn't like it when other people have theirs.

This is one of the strangest interactions I think I've ever had in my life. I'm not combing through your posts at all, I just looked at Aether Witch's profile once because they're goofy and I wanted to see what other goofy shit they said and saw you defending him from people calling him a faggot with herpes and I thought it was weird. In hindsight it was retarded of me to bring it up in this thread instead of somewhere else as you seem to have taken it as an attack against your character.

Yes you did:



Now please stop derailing the thread with your faggotry.

I thought you were becoming unreasonably angry and I was trying to mollify you. Clearly that didn't work.

 

[Cheeseknife]

I thought you were becoming unreasonably angry and I was trying to mollify you. Clearly that didn't work.

Do you actually have anything useful to contribute to the thread or are you just going to obsess over me the whole time?

 

[Tablet County]

Do you actually have anything useful to contribute to the thread or are you just going to obsess over me the whole time?

Apparently I'm obsessed with you now. Okay nigger. Whatever you say nigger.

 

[Aether Witch]

I just thought you two might've been friends or something and Cheeseknife felt the need to defend you out of a personal obligation to a good buddy,

This is genuinely hilarious. I hope your legs didn't cramp from the olympic backpedalling you did just now. This perfectly sane and reasonable explanation, seemed "weird" and "suspicious" to you. You say we're trying to find some "gotcha", no friend, you're calling yourself out with every post you make.

I don't think I've ever had this much trouble getting somebody on the internet to explain themselves.

Is that so? I wonder, do people always grovel at your feet when you make random accusations that have nothing to do with the topic at hand? For some reason it doesn't seem very credible.

 

[not william stenchever]

Then you're in the wrong thread.

The containment thread that came into existence because of you and your internet gf?

 

[Tablet County]

This is genuinely hilarious. I hope your legs didn't cramp from the olympic backpedalling you did just now.

It's not backpedalling, that's what I thought, now due to knowledge I didn't possess previously I don't think that. People's thoughts do change according to changing circumstances.

This perfectly sane and reasonable explanation, seemed "weird" and "suspicious" to you.

Yeah it's a little weird that some dude came onto your page to defend you for no reason. I'd think it was weird if some guy I didn't know did the same for me.

You say we're trying to find some "gotcha", no friend, you're calling yourself out with every post you make.

If you think so. I'm no longer convinced that we're having the same conversation at this point.

Is that so? I wonder, do people always grovel at your feet when you make random accusations that have nothing to do with the topic at hand? For some reason it doesn't seem very credible.

No they just offer a simple answer, they don't chimp out about it and the matter is settled. Imagine derailing a massive thread with something that barely pertained to the topic at hand. Couldn't be me.

 

[Drain Todger]

So... you mean the very standards created by virologists? That's what Koch's postulates are, and yes indeed, they were designed to apply to viruses. You talk literally like the government "experts" in New Zealand who were pushing the lockdowns. "Oh, they're just holding us to our own standards, they're not engaging in good faith, reee". The virologists can't even fulfil less strict versions of Koch's postulates, revisions that they themselves created as well.

A virus can never satisfy Koch’s postulates, ever. One of Koch’s postulates requires that the causative agent of disease be grown in a pure culture with nothing else. Viruses are obligate parasites and cannot be grown in a pure culture, period. They need living cells to hijack, and when cultured in a lab, they often use mammalian cell lines like Vero cells specifically for this purpose.

We have firsthand evidence of viral activity in the form of basic immunofluorescence studies. We have TEM microscopy images of virions and Cryo-EM analyses of their proteins. If viruses didn’t exist and weren’t capable of entering cells, then viral vector based gene transfectants (like DNA loaded in an Adenovirus) would not work.

The evidence in favor of viruses existing is massive. Not just a few little things here and there that can be refuted easily. It’s an overwhelming consensus developed over many, many years.

The only reason why we have so many “viruses aren’t real” flat-earther-level folks walking around nowadays is simply because most people only have to deal with a little flu or cold now and then during flu season, like clockwork, so they could almost be forgiven for just assuming it’s a natural, cyclical feature of the body. They’ve never actually experienced Ebola, smallpox, dengue, et cetera, and they have no point of reference. Viruses may as well not even be real to them.

The functions and behaviors of viruses (in terms of host-virus interactions) can also be extremely complex and difficult to model in a way that the average person can readily understand. Moreover, the state of education on viruses is just plain bad. They’re glossed over in typical high school curricula, and since the majority of people don’t take life sciences in college, that little tidbit in high school is all they get, if that.

So, honestly, I can see how people can develop this misconception of viruses not being real. You can’t see, smell, taste, or touch them. Unlike bacteria or yeasts, they don’t even form a biofilm that can be directly observed. Viruses may seem, to the uninitiated, to be some sort of ghostly apparition, their existence treated as an article of faith.

I assure you, they are very real.

 

[Tablet County]

@Cheeseknife @Aether Witch If you want me to actually contribute in a meaningful way to this thread which was created because you couldn't stop shitting up the covid thread, I'll ask this. And before you have a massive meltdown about how I'm trying to undermine you or something, I must stress to you that I'm genuinely curious. If virology is bullshit, as you claim, is there an alternative that you would offer instead? I joked about @Aether Witch being a homeopath earlier but are you a homeopath? Do you believe in faith healing, humor theory, parasites being the root cause of disease instead of viruses?

 

[Aether Witch]

Yeah it's a little weird that some dude came onto your page to defend you for no reason. I'd think it was weird if some guy I didn't know did the same for me.

Yeah, we clearly don't know each other at all. Dude, this is embarrassing for you, I'd just crawl back into the hole and let it be.

No they just offer a simple answer

You don't like the fact that he didn't take the bait, do you? That's what you would've liked, for him to explain himself for his "weird" and "suspicious" behavior. Too bad it didn't go your way.

Imagine derailing a massive thread with something that barely pertained to the topic at hand. Couldn't be me.

Are you serious? Aah, thanks for the laugh, honestly :,)

 

[Cheeseknife]

The containment thread that came into existence because of you and your internet gf?

No this one:

You seemed to take a bow after you said something about goblins. Damn that was funny, had me literally rolling. A real zinger!

It's time we learned to stop meddling with things that are way beyond our understanding.

From what I understand, the meddling itself is worse than the disease. And we only continue to meddle, based on all this gain of function research going on.

Also, @Aether Witch I'd just ignore him now. He hasn't said anything relevant to the topic in the last two pages. It's basic derailment at this point. I still don't even know what his opinion is one way or another, but I'm assuming his knowledge on the subject is basic mainstream monkey.

 

[Tablet County]

Yeah, we clearly don't know each other at all.

So is that an admission or are you being sarcastic? It's hard to tell over text.

Dude, this is embarrassing for you, I'd just crawl back into the hole and let it be.

Embarrassment is for the weak, I don't get embarrassed.

You don't like the fact that he didn't take the bait, do you? That's what you would've liked, for him to explain himself for his "weird" and "suspicious" behavior. Too bad it didn't go your way.

Why does this read like you're touching yourself while you type?

Are you serious? Aah, thanks for the laugh, honestly :,)

Tell me, why does this thread exist again?

 

[Aether Witch]

@Cheeseknife @Aether Witch If you want me to actually contribute in a meaningful way to this thread which was created because you couldn't stop shitting up the covid thread, I'll ask this. And before you have a massive meltdown about how I'm trying to undermine you or something, I must stress to you that I'm genuinely curious. If virology is bullshit, as you claim, is there an alternative that you would offer instead? I joked about @Aether Witch being a homeopath earlier but are you a homeopath? Do you believe in faith healing, humor theory, parasites being the root cause of disease instead of viruses?

I don't want you to do anything. You're clearly incapable of contributing in any meaningful way. You can go back and read my previous posts, if you like. Other than that, I can be of no further help to you.

 

[Tablet County]

No this one:

The same subforum where people are consigned to because they shit up threads with gay tangents and where a guy who has "Sneed" in his username will tell you about how the holocaust didn't happen. Truly we are in hallowed halls.

 

[Aether Witch]

A virus can never satisfy Koch’s postulates, ever. One of Koch’s postulates requires that the causative agent of disease be grown in a pure culture with nothing else. Viruses are obligate parasites and cannot be grown in a pure culture, period.

They don't need to be grown, since they already are claimed to exist, in our bodies, in the air and everywhere. That's why PCR tests can pick them up from... gasoline. Or mangos. We're constantly being told by The Experts that our bodies are teeming with viruses, even when we aren't sick (asymptomatic transmission, and all that), and that we're filthy vectors of disease. It shouldn't be very difficult at all to isolate and purify these entities that are literally everywher, aparently.

We have firsthand evidence of viral activity in the form of basic immunofluorescence studies. We have TEM microscopy images of virions and Cryo-EM analyses of their proteins.

Unfortunately, this "activity" is only claimed to be viral, as I explained in a previous post, but there's no evidence that it comes from viruses. Electron microscopy produces imagery, yes, the interpretation of said imagery by virologists is completely baseless and antiscientific, though. I already explained the pitfalls of electron microscopy in previous posts and it's very well explained in A Farewell to Virology.

The evidence in favor of viruses existing is massive. Not just a few little things here and there that can be refuted easily. It’s an overwhelming consensus developed over many, many years.

Okay, then why can no institution produce evidence of them?

https://www.fluoridefreepeel.ca/68-health-science-institutions-globally-all-failed-to-cite-even-1-record-of-sars-cov-2-purification-by-anyone-anywhere-ever/

They’ve never actually experienced Ebola, smallpox, dengue, et cetera, and they have no point of reference. Viruses may as well not even be real to them.

Actually, these illnesses exist. No one's denying that. The contention is that we have no evidence they are caused by these imagined entities. There are many reasons to believe that they're caused by different factors.

The functions and behaviors of viruses (in terms of host-virus interactions) can also be extremely complex and difficult to model in a way that the average person can readily understand.

Yeah, we're all too dumb to understand the incredibly complex and arcane world of virologists. How convenient. I personally find it very easy to understand that the very basis of virology popped out of nowhere, out of the wild assumption by the first virologists that because some people were ill (and they desperately wanted a pathogen to blame, and couldn't find any), there must be an even tinier particle than bacteria that would be to blame of said illness, instead of using logic to arrive at any other (actually rational) explanation. To this day, there's no evidence of said tiny particles.

I assure you, they are very real.

I'm gonna need more than just your reassurement, I'm afraid.

 

[The Tall Man]

The only reason why we have so many “viruses aren’t real” flat-earther-level folks walking around nowadays

I think this is far more nefarious.
Have you looked at that Sam Bayley chick?
High production value, very professional presenter, got pushed to the top by the "algorithm".

Pushes a theory that washes the hands of all the shady people creating and unleashing bioweapons onto humanity.
How can Covid or the Spike protein, be a nefarious artificial weapon when it isn't even real.

She is definitely "weaponized truth", just like Alex Jones.
Presenting bits of truth not covered by MSM and dousing it in crazy sauce, that just happens to exclude the top level criminals.

But that is just another one of my tinfoil opinions.

 

[Tablet County]

There are many reasons to believe that they're caused by different factors.

Well, what are these factors? Are they allergic reactions or sudden-onset genetic defects? Are they bacterial in nature, caused by macroscopic parasitic organisms?

Yeah, we're all too dumb to understand the incredibly complex and arcane world of virologists. How convenient.

"I don't understand quantum mechanics, therefore it's bullshit made up by (((THE SCIENCE)))."

 

[Cheeseknife]

@Aether Witch I gotta dig through some Sam Bailey clips, but from what I recall the last recorded instance of a virus being isolated was back in the early 20th century. Not sure what it was, maybe smallpox or something. I'll have to do some research on it since it's been a good year since I looked at this topic extensively.

Also, lol @ the guy who thinks Sam Bailey has high production value.

 

[Aether Witch]

the last recorded instance of a virus being isolated was back in the early 20th century.

Yeah, claimed isolation, at least.

She is definitely "weaponized truth", just like Alex Jones.
Presenting bits of truth not covered by MSM and dousing it in crazy sauce, that just happens to exclude the top level criminals.

The top level criminals aren't excluded, they're actually included, when you realize they're all scammers, and their scam has killed innumerable people. Alex Jones is mocked by the mainstream media on a regular basis, making sure he acts as a gatekeeper of those who aren't fully satisfied with mainstream narratives. Sam Bailey is never featured on mainstream media, in fact you'll find that her name is avoided at all costs.

High production value, very professional presenter, got pushed to the top by the "algorithm".

Are you familiar with her at all? Yeah, she's very professional, I agree. However, some of her youtube videos from before the scamdemic have millions of views. After she started talking about viruses, her view count plummeted. Anyone can check this. In fact, she now has to resort to publishing full videos on Odysee and only trailers on youtube, because otherwise they're immediately taken down. But tell me more about how she's pushed by the algorithm.

Also, high production value? I have to agree with Cheeseknife, that's just funny.

 

[Tablet County]

I think this is far more nefarious.
Have you looked at that Sam Bayley chick?
High production value, very professional presenter, got pushed to the top by the "algorithm".

Pushes a theory that washes the hands of all the shady people creating and unleashing bioweapons onto humanity.
How can Covid or the Spike protein, be a nefarious artificial weapon when it isn't even real.

She is definitely "weaponized truth", just like Alex Jones.
Presenting bits of truth not covered by MSM and dousing it in crazy sauce, that just happens to exclude the top level criminals.

But that is just another one of my tinfoil opinions.

I've often considered that a lot of conspiracy theories are controlled opposition. A legion of "men covered in shit" to make everybody who doesn't toe the line look like schizos. The distrust of the established "truth" is well and good, but it's extremely easy for the powers that be to use your skepticism against you.

Alex Jones is mocked by the mainstream media on a regular basis, making sure he acts as a gatekeeper of those who aren't fully satisfied with mainstream narratives. Sam Bailey is never featured on mainstream media, in fact you'll find that her name is avoided at all costs.

Alex Jones is featured on mainstream media because he is a showman and his antics beg for attention. Sam Bailey strikes me as someone trying to depart alleged wisdom and is doing so in a lowkey and unobtrusive way. I don't think Sam is ignored because the establishment fears her.