Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

[Doctor Love]

something really scary

My money would be on a similar situation to the Syrian gas attack.

Allegedly Russian use of nerve agents on some random target, same as Assad, and accusations against Russia.

This would be even more appropriate since, by my memory, Russia's first major diplomatic attack on the West was their involvement in that incident's aftermath.

Sarin, Novichok and the like would be tricky at this time of year, but I reckon once the weather permits it, we'll see the use of those weapons in somewhere on the boundaries of the conflict, like Odessa, against the AFU.

 

[Rubick]

Checked the other thread for the lolz. Got an aneurysm. There are poster there that actually think that Russian missiles are utter inaccurate junk because they inflicted low amounts of civilian casualties......

Also, Ukrainian victory in 2025 guys!


Anyway


A video of an IRIS-T missile falling into the Dnepr. For whatever reason it didn't auto-destruct when it lost it's target and ran out of energy

https://t.me/boris_rozhin/108285

 

[Strix454]

Most of their propaganda isn't working. But you know what usually works great? A massive attack on civilians.

I'm not sure even that would work at this point. Ukraine fatigue has set in and the war in Israel is sucking up most of the remaining energy in the room. They really care more about saving the Hamas government in Gaza than anything to do with Ukraine. If Ukraine can hold out until after the 2024 elections in the US, maybe their friends in Washington could do something. But until after those elections, I don't see them being able to do much.

 

[OutInTheRain]

It's a consequence of Afghanistan. Afghanistan sometimes had engagements that were much longer than what the US was used to. Part of this was the unusual and Guerilla nature of the war with some engagements being more long range grab an easy kill and retreat quickly sort of thing.

Prior to Afghanistan, most infantry engagements were within 100m. So it was felt that rifles didn't need long range to be effective, an M-16 max effective range for a single soldier is 300m. However the Taliban were using 19th century rifles that were accurate over 500m. To try to combat this and increase the range of their rifles, western militaries purchased the accu-wedge. A piece of rubber that rested against the rear take down pin to decrease rattling of the weapon. It was not very effective.

 

[The Ugly One]

This is also the origin of some of the stupider ideas about warfare that came up before the Ukraine war happened. Stuff like infantry not being useful anymore, all war being push-button and war being small scale.

Those ideas are driven by the need to find justifications for why women should be allowed to be in combat arms.

 

[Male Idiot]

Were those old taliban rifles ancient sniper guns? How did they get such a better range?

 

[Feline Supremacist]

We need Putin to get really pissed off and order a massive strike on a civilian center that we will then claim was unprovoked.

If everyone in Russia is screaming for THD, like right after the Belgorod attack on the Christmas market (that killed women and children) and Putin isn't raining down missiles indiscriminately on Hoholstan, what makes you think he will do so at any other point?

After nearly two years of this shit I believe that someone in DC/10 Downing wants to do a dirty bomb or tactical nuke on a hohol population center and then blame Russia for a casus belli but...I am almost certain Russia warned the US/Bongistan doing so means Total Muttmerican/Bong Death via Russia's nukes of choice. As in London/NYC, Chicago etc, become radioactive sludge.

Because Ukrainians are Russians, Malorussians; only the Western hohols believe surzhik is a real language. Many in Russia having Ukrainian roots and relatives. Nuking Ukraine is like nuking Russia itself. I also believe it would shake the hohols out of their illusions about the West, and hell hath no fury like a hohol who finally realized they are being used by the West. And don't forget, there are millions of hohols dispersed all over the West.

DC would be fighting not just Americans who won't sacrifice themselves for Blackrock, they'd also be fighting angry hohols. So while the rats in DC may try, they will never bring back September 12, 2001.

 

[Male Idiot]

Also any fallout would hit Russia.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

Also any fallout would hit Russia.

The media was throwing the possible use of nukes around (and they don't do that without some imput from DC) at the start but now? Radio silence. "What nukes? We never said that, chud! omg you are literally Hitler!"

 

[Eternal Gopnik]

Were those old taliban rifles ancient sniper guns? How did they get such a better range?

Other than the usual assortment of crusty-ass Kalashnikovs you'll find in any desert shithole conflict, there were a lot of old service rifles like the Lee-Enfield and Mosin Nagant that found their way into Afghanistan. These are both rifles with their origins in the late 19th century, but have been in active service throughout both world wars. They're heavy, unwieldy, and bolt-action, but they can be highly accurate if maintained at least somewhat decently, and the rounds they fire are a lot more powerful than modern day intermediate cartridges that you'll find in the M-16 and M-4.

Also, praising Allah gives you a temporary accuracy bonus.

 

[Male Idiot]

Isn't the Nagant a sniper rifle?

 

[The Foxtrot]

Isn't the Nagant a sniper rifle?

There were and are specific variants that were purpose-made to be sniper rifles, but not by default.

 

[Useful_Mistake]

https://archive.ph/jg1Gi

 

[Feline Supremacist]

ha ha we killed ruZZian kids in Belgorod lmao #UkraineStrong

Edit: This was a spent Pantsir part that went astray in Belgorod as AD was hitting targets when it and Shebekino were shelled today.
Link

 

[Vesperus]

Isn't the Nagant a sniper rifle?

It depends how you define it. The old-school rifles (Nagant, L-E, Springfield etc) were accurate to 600m+, but with no optics (typically) and average ability, the person firing it was not: you'd be lucky to hit something at 200m, especially if it was shooting back. This lead to what we generally think of as an assault rifle: also not terribly accurate at 200m, but if you send enough lead that way you might get lucky and you'll certainly scare the hell of the target.
What we think of as a modern sniper owes much to those old rifles in terms of barrel and calibre, but now with optics, extra training and hopefully a spotter so they can be reliably accurate at longer range.

 

[make_it_so]

There were and are specific variants that were purpose-made to be sniper rifles, but not by default.

Incidentally, I believe the sniper variant is also the most fraudulently advertised/reproduced version of the Mosin in the U.S. market.

 

[The Foxtrot]

Incidentally, I believe the sniper variant is also the most fraudulently advertised/reproduced version of the Mosin in the U.S. market.

What do you mean?

 

[make_it_so]

What do you mean?

I mean it's apparently common for people to take regular M91/30's put on a period correct mount and scope, and then try to pass it off as an original M91/30 PU.

 

[Strix454]

I mean it's apparently common for people to take regular M91/30's put on a period correct mount and scope, and then try to pass it off as an original M91/30 PU.

That is just one problem among many. There are also replica rifles, replica scopes and replica components. There are both very good fakes and very bad fakes. People have to be extremely careful about buying one in the US because the total number of fakes in the marketplace is very, very high.

 

[Meh123]

After nearly two years of this shit I believe that someone in DC/10 Downing wants to do a dirty bomb or tactical nuke on a hohol population center and then blame Russia for a casus belli but...I am almost certain Russia warned the US/Bongistan doing so means Total Muttmerican/Bong Death via Russia's nukes of choice. As in London/NYC, Chicago etc, become radioactive sludge.

Because Ukrainians are Russians, Malorussians; only the Western hohols believe surzhik is a real language. Many in Russia having Ukrainian roots and relatives. Nuking Ukraine is like nuking Russia itself. I also believe it would shake the hohols out of their illusions about the West, and hell hath no fury like a hohol who finally realized they are being used by the West. And don't forget, there are millions of hohols dispersed all over the West.

DC would be fighting not just Americans who won't sacrifice themselves for Blackrock, they'd also be fighting angry hohols. So while the rats in DC may try, they will never bring back September 12, 2001.

Implying:
1. Neocons in DC wouldn't blow up a smaller US city to get their war back on rails
2. The neocons in DC understand/give a shit about the implications and consequences of #1