Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

The problem with lasers is not aiming it, the problem is supplying it with enough power to be destructive at appreciable range.
There are ship/plane borne experimental variants, but a mobile one like on a tracked or wheeled vehicle is problem. I won't even mention man portable...
And since drones are everywhere, the counter have to be light and cheap enough to be everywhere too.

At this point, EW is cheaper and easier than directed energy weapons.
That's why I think - at least short term - EW and simple projectile based anti-drone guns would be more practical.

The current problem is still reliably detecting the fuckers without having to carry around a smaller radar station.
They emit very specific sound that could be tracked for approximate bearing, and they also emit RF signals that could be used. For pinpoint accuracy.. idk, visual or thermal + machine vision.
I don't understand why jamming isn't more effective. They operate on cellular frequencies using existing cellular infrastructure. It seems to me a relatively cheap/small jamming pod that disables comms to those things within 50 yards or so of your tank or squad would be feasible and pretty effective in disrupting the final approach.

[Edit I'm talking about the garage-drones they're taping grenades to for suicide dives not the sophisticated models produced by nation-states aimed at major hard targets.]
 
Long past are the days laughing about muh "Russian cope cages"
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The HEAT shell or shaped charge drone can't pen the abrams if it fuzes on Ivan and shoots its hot load into him.
 
The newest wave of cope explainations for the failure of the Great Ukrainian Counteroffensive of 2023 are starting to emerge.

This one was published in the American journal Foreign Affairs. Its by Dr Jack Watling - Senior Research Fellow for Land Warfare at the Royal United Services Institute. Walting is a military super-genius. He learned all about this "war" stuff from being a journalist. It took Watling until around October to realize that the Ukrainian offensive might not actually reach the sea of Azov.

Watling's view is that the war is not a stalemate. That Ukraine should be supplied and prepared for going on the offensive again in 2025 when it is certain to do better. He is careful to say that the purpose of the offensive this time should be only to convince the Russians to negotiate a lasting peace. But the article makes it clear that he doesn't actually believe that.

He claims that the counteroffensive failed because the Ukrainians were not given time to sufficiently train in NATO tactics. That Ukrainian troops require a minimum of 22 weeks of training by NATO outside Ukraine to properly prepare them for offensive operations.

According to him, the Ukrainian Army in 2023 had no ability to carry out operations beyond company level. He also claims that there is an extreme lack of trained "staff officers" who can coordinate operations above company level:

"During the 2023 offensive, Ukrainian operations were largely fought by pairs of companies under the close management of an understaffed brigade command post. The result was that while Ukrainian soldiers often succeeded in taking enemy positions, they were rarely able to exploit the breaches they made or to quickly reinforce their gains. Instead, they had to stop and plan, giving Russian forces time to reset."

I've seen this particular narrative about Ukraine's inability to operate above company level start appearing in multiple places. Its based on total ignorance of the war and the nature of the fighting in the war. They don't seem to understand that concentrating force tends only to create attractive targets for the other side. That the fighting has to be in small units because big concentration operations always attract massive amounts of fire.

He claims that 80% of casualties inflicted in the war are from artillery and that Ukraine requires artillery superiority on the battlefield to be successful in the next offensive. How is this to be done given material and ammunition constraints? He doesn't say.

He says that while Ukraine should go on the defensive in 2024, it should at the same time mount small unit local offensive operations along the entire line. He argues for what amounts to attrition warfare against the Russians even though Ukraine is at a severe numerical disadvantage and even though he wants to withdraw large numbers of Ukrainian units for training.

He wants the entire west to move to a war economy without realizing what that means or what it requires or the time required to create large factories to mass produce weapons. We just have to do it.

He also offered up the idea that western countries need to start slashing their own military spending to devote even more money and resources to ukraine:

"Western leaders must emphasize that longer-term investment in manufacturing capacity is both affordable and ultimately benefits Ukraine’s allies. The total defense budgets of the 54 countries supporting Ukraine well exceed $100 billion per month. By contrast, current support for Ukraine costs those states less than $6 billion monthly."

He also explains how the war can be re-framed from being about giving money to Ukraine to being about creating high wage manufacturing jobs in western countries:

"Funding Ukraine has often been framed as merely giving money to Kyiv. This is, however, deeply misleading. Much of the aid that Ukraine will need constitutes an investment by its partners in their own domestic defense manufacturing and will be spent at home. A significant proportion of aid to Ukraine will eventually be recovered by the recipient in taxes while boosting manufacturing jobs across NATO’s member countries. At a time of economic strain, such investment should be widely welcomed by publics in countries supporting Kyiv."

Toward the end of the article, he talks about how the struggle with Russia can prepare the west for an american military pivot to Asia where the majority of American forces will leave Europe to be stationed in Asia against China. He talks about how the Ukraine war can help prepare Europe to manage this pivot better.

The article is a good illustration of the intellectual bankruptcy of the so-called expert class in the west. These people not only do not have any good ideas, they are incapable of doing even basic analysis of the military situation that presents itself.

The Article:

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I've seen this particular narrative about Ukraine's inability to operate above company level start appearing in multiple places. Its based on total ignorance of the war and the nature of the fighting in the war.
The AFU couldn't execute multi-company/battalion level maneuvers even in the early stages of the war when the threat of drones and artillery wasn't present.

They're an armed rabble.
 
The HEAT shell or shaped charge drone can't pen the abrams if it fuzes on Ivan and shoots its hot load into him.
I just watched a video where they tested an HE rocket against ballistic dummies. The human body is apparently not dense enough to slow the warhead down enough to trigger detonation. It would probably just put a softball size hole in Ivan and still detonate when it came out the other side.

I know lasers and DE weapons aren't that common on the battlefield right now, but wouldn't they be fairly easy to defeat with refractory materials? I know weather conditions are an enormous factor with atmospheric lasers, and I don't know how powerful a laser needs to be to bore through a mirror cruising through the air.
 
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This is a throw of the hot potato of mobilization law back to Zaluzhny after his latest comments distancing himself from it.
The source for what Zaluzhny supposedly said seems to be a member of Zelensky's party if I understood the rough translation right.
Elensky partially been using this law to trap and get rid of Zaluzhny. By trying to make Zaluzhny. the face of this draconian mobilization law.

And once the mobilization gets enough backlash, Elensky and his camp would attack the law, soften some of its elements, and use the negative to get rid of Zaluzhny.


As to why ? well, Zaluzhny if he'd run he'd win the election not to mention he has become USA fav pet in Ukraine.
 
Any word on what happened with the f-16's ukriane got half a year ago?
Have they been used yet or are they just using them for air shows or something.
 
What happened to 150% hohol interception?
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Also that's an old missile, its not the Kh-47M2 Dagger that was used this weekend.
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Moral of the story: pay your fucking gas bill on time. Or, if you want to trade weapons for debt, don't turn around and piss in the face of the guy you just gave weapons to?

Honestly there's a lot of lessons to be learned from this conflict.
 
Ah yes, US occupied West Germany where most of the population has been brainwashed into near suicidal self loathing is clearly des Deutschen Vaterland.
>be the GDR
>use USSR inspired coat of arms instead of the German eagle
>adopt Soviet-style awards instead of rehabilitating the Iron Cross of 1813
>decide against the establishment of a typical Eastern bloc maternal medal to boost your population because the Nazis did it first and turning the Genossinnen into brood mares is a big yikes
>new hippie kumbaya anthem
>sweep high suicide rate under the rug
>fuck with the Reinheitsgebot
>spy on your people
>worship Jews like Rosa Luxemburg and Marx
>ban „reactionary” Burschenschaften (traditional student associations)
>cherry pick German historical figures and events to use as Communist propaganda
>vilify the rest
>help fund the rot that permeates modern Germany
>demonize patriotic West Germans who gather at your borders to mourn killed refugees and show solidarity towards their trapped countrymen
>sweep the various crimes (ranging from rape to vehicular homicide and even murder) committed by Soviet soldiers stationed in the GDR under the rug

We did it Erich! We saved ze German Volk and its Kultur!

I’m not saying West Germany wasn’t showing signs of lunacy but the GDR was a different kind of pozzed. Kind of like SIV and HIV. The only reason East Germany wasn’t/isn’t as culturally enriched is because it was behind the Iron Curtain and the Soviets couldn’t/didn’t flood it with Blacks and Turks. At least WW2 veteran Bundeswehr soldiers were allowed to wear most of their Denazified war decorations, old comrades-in-arms could gather to eat, drink and reminisce in peace and some right-wing military figures like the African bush fighter General Paul von Lettow-Vorbeck and the old Prussian war horse Field Marshal August von Mackensen were shown respect up until recently.
 
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What happened to 150% hohol interception?
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Also that's an old missile, its not the Kh-47M2 Dagger that was used this weekend.
Is this the hypersonic one of the one with built in countermeasures? I saw the videos of them at low altitude over Kiev but they didn't look all that fast. Putting chaff and flares on a missile is kind of a genius idea.
 

What is the point of arresting them and doing criminal investigations? They have no problem just rounding up guys walking down the street and putting them in the military. Why not just send the goons in the truck to pick them up for processing into the military.

Or is this aimed at people who are outside Ukraine?
 
The smaller cannon was likely made to keep the Hungarian Leopard 2s guns and it on the same shell type for logistics.

I guess in 20 years when the Leopards are relegated to training duty they can gwt the bigger gun. I hope they aren't throwing the old T-70s out.
The 130mm gun has almost no appreciably improvement on the 120mm L55.

The 140mm guns were getting close to only having single digits numbers of shells carried because they were so large.

For the time being (think the next few decades), the 120mm and 125mm guns are probably as big as tank guns will get.

127/130mm is probably the max they'll ever get.
 
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