Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

Служба безопасности Украины задержала жителя Львова, который сдал в пункт приёма металлолома бюст Романа Шухевича.

После ракетного удара России по музею героя Украины местный житель Тарас Н. 1966 г.р. прибыл на место происшествия, где погрузил бюст и ещё несколько экспонатов, представляющих по его мнению ценность, и отвез в ближайший пункт приёма металла, где получил 2300 гривен. По словам задержанного, он не узнал лидера УПА, поскольку заканчивал школу ещё при СССР. На момент обнаружения пропажи, сотрудники приёмки уже распилили бюст, чем нанесли урон исторической ценности и по словам сотрудников СБУ так же понесут наказание.

Кроме того, всем участникам произошедшего вручены повестки — представитель местной ТЦК.

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The Security Service of Ukraine detained a resident of Lviv, who handed over a bust of Roman Shukhevych to a scrap metal collection point.

After the Russian missile strike on the museum of the hero of Ukraine, a local resident Taras N. born in 1966 arrived at the scene, where he loaded the bust and several other exhibits of value in his opinion, and took them to the nearest metal reception point, where he received 2,300 hryvnia.

According to the detainee, he did not recognize the leader of the UPA, since he graduated from school back in the USSR. At the time of the discovery of the loss, the acceptance staff had already split up the bust, which caused damage to the historical value and, according to the SBU staff, they will also be punished. In addition, all participants in the incident were given summonses by a representative of the local TCC.
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proof faggot OUN/UPA hohols are astroturfed lol
 
The Kholhols love sucking Bandera's cock so fucking much. I bet his grandpa killed alot of Polish "partisans"

I hope his passport gets revoked and he has to go back to fight.

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>Soviet propaganda
He was imprisoned by the Gestapo for terrorist attacks against Polish civilians. No one outside of Ukraine argued he was anything but a massive piece of shit until this war. The only reason he didn't get yeeted by one side of the war or the other is that he played all sides very effectively.
 
Служба безопасности Украины задержала жителя Львова, который сдал в пункт приёма металлолома бюст Романа Шухевича.

После ракетного удара России по музею героя Украины местный житель Тарас Н. 1966 г.р. прибыл на место происшествия, где погрузил бюст и ещё несколько экспонатов, представляющих по его мнению ценность, и отвез в ближайший пункт приёма металла, где получил 2300 гривен. По словам задержанного, он не узнал лидера УПА, поскольку заканчивал школу ещё при СССР. На момент обнаружения пропажи, сотрудники приёмки уже распилили бюст, чем нанесли урон исторической ценности и по словам сотрудников СБУ так же понесут наказание.

Кроме того, всем участникам произошедшего вручены повестки — представитель местной ТЦК.

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The Security Service of Ukraine detained a resident of Lviv, who handed over a bust of Roman Shukhevych to a scrap metal collection point.

After the Russian missile strike on the museum of the hero of Ukraine, a local resident Taras N. born in 1966 arrived at the scene, where he loaded the bust and several other exhibits of value in his opinion, and took them to the nearest metal reception point, where he received 2,300 hryvnia.

According to the detainee, he did not recognize the leader of the UPA, since he graduated from school back in the USSR. At the time of the discovery of the loss, the acceptance staff had already split up the bust, which caused damage to the historical value and, according to the SBU staff, they will also be punished. In addition, all participants in the incident were given summonses by a representative of the local TCC.
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proof faggot OUN/UPA hohols are astroturfed lol
Well yeah, you can't just sell a bust of Dear Leader to a scrapyard and expect to not get punished.

Hilariously, even a website as pozzed as Wikipedia calls that dude a Nazi:
Roman-Taras Yosypovych Shukhevych (Ukrainian: Рома́н-Тарас Йо́сипович Шухе́вич, also known by his pseudonym, Tur and Taras Chuprynka; 30 June 1907 – 5 March 1950) was a Ukrainian nationalist[1] and a military leader of the nationalist Ukrainian Insurgent Army (UPA), which during the Second World War fought against the Soviet Union and to a lesser extent against the Nazi Germany for Ukrainian independence. He collaborated with the Nazis from February 1941 to December 1942 as commanding officer of the Nachtigall Battalion in early 1941,[2] and as a Hauptmann of the German Schutzmannschaft 201 auxiliary police battalion in late 1941 and 1942.[3]

Shukhevych was one of the perpetrators of the Galicia-Volhynia massacres of tens of thousands of Polish civilians.[3] It is unclear to what extent Shuchevych was responsible for the massacres of Poles in Volhynia, but he certainly condoned them after some time, and also directed the massacres of Poles in Eastern Galicia.[4][5] Historian Per Anders Rudling has accused the Ukrainian diaspora and Ukrainian academics of "ignoring, glossing over, or outright denying" his role in this and other war crimes.[3]
 
>Soviet propaganda
He was imprisoned by the Gestapo for terrorist attacks against Polish civilians. No one outside of Ukraine argued he was anything but a massive piece of shit until this war. The only reason he didn't get yeeted by one side of the war or the other is that he played all sides very effectively.
Those Nazis were secretly communists keeping our nigga Bandera down.

The Pollack babies and pregnant women getting sticks shoved up their wazoos were all Soviet partisans.

Slava Ukraini.
 
I'll be honest, that's a view I've had for a while that this war has only solidified. It seems all tanks are good for is fighting armoured vehicles, but that's a role suicide drones are doing more effectively, much cheaper, and incomparably safer for the crew. The suicide drone doesn't have a machine gun, so in theory it wouldn't be able to handle an infantry charge, but in practice the instant soldiers hear the buzzing they'll drop to a crouch and fire wildly into the air, and there have been plenty of videos of the drone operators subsequently calling in artillery strikes on the infantry position, or just diving down to blow them up directly.
I'm happy to be corrected, if you care to educate me on why tanks aren't obsolete yet.

This might change in the future, but as thing currently are, you can have a handful of drones in the air at the same time, because they need individual operators, have a very limited flight time and single use.

A tank is basically an armored pillbox with a high caliber gun that can lob 50+ HE shells at a fortification, take out enemy IFVs, suppress enemy trenches with machinegun fire while infantry closes in, use its thermals to detect enemies and then retreat (probably) to fight another day. All this takes 3-4 crew.
It still can be used in a support role, just not like how 30 years ago, in big armored pushes.

My being jewish is irrelevant here, I just really don't like the west. I wouldn't want to enrich Russia with welfare parasites (I'm evidently a bad jew) but I'll happily watch the EU and the USA inflict that on themselves.

Fuck you too, thank you.
 
Hilariously, even a website as pozzed as Wikipedia calls that dude a Nazi:

Its almost impossible to defend him due to him being in charge of the Nachtigall battalion which was operating in conjunction with SS Einsatzgruppen units during 1941. The dude wasn't just a nazi or a nazi collaborator. He commanded a battalion in 1941 that actively killed unarmed civilians behind the lines and never got anywhere near frontline combat. He is implicated in killing both high-profile Poles and lots of Jews.

The Wikipedia article on the Nachtigall battalion is currently really bad. There is a whole section where its (falsely) claimed that an international tribunal and the Canadian government have exhonerated the Nachtigall battalion and Shukhevych while anyone claiming otherwise is just a participant in a "controversy".

He was also involved in all the massacres of Poles by Ukrainians in Poland and what later became western Ukraine from 1943-1945.

While Bandara stayed safe in western Germany after the war, Shukhevych continued the war against Poland and in the USSR in those countries until he was finally killed in 1950.

Though they keep trying, attempting to rehabilitate Shukhevych is a much more impossible task than with many of the other collaborators during the war. He is just a bad guy with alot of blood directly on his hands.
 
No, 1990. East Germany was the last bastion of genuine German culture. The NVA still wore uniforms from the Wehrmacht, just with different insignia, the SED was composed of German politicians, and they still thought of themselves as Germans first and foremost, not "members of the global community". The Grenztruppen kept the GDR's borders closed and secured, and the GDR's citizens had real lives. Not hollow, bugmen existences.
I have heard this too but the true Germany died in 1918 and its death throes managed to last until 45. East Germany was a socialist society and only appeared to be the true German successor state. And I wouldn't be surprised if the Soviet's specifically instructed them to seem like that. It was propaganda. They also cherry picked the parts out of the nation's history which could be built into the Communist agenda like all Commies do like the Reformation, the German Peasant's Revolt and the Wars of Liberation (the Russian-German brotherhood-in-arms of yore). They kept German military tradition, their uniforms were inspired by the Wehrmacht and their helmets were a Stahlhelm variant designed in 1942 but their gear was Soviet and their newly minted decorations had very little Germanness. Just take a look at their names: Hero of the GDR, Pilot-Cosmonaut of the GDR, Order of Karl Marx, Hero of Labor, Banner of Labor, etc. Sound familiar? In short: it was a sham.

Those who speak kraut should watch Sieg im Osten the documentary about the Bundeswehr's absorption of the NVA. Interviewee General Jörg Schönbohm seems to be right kind of German because his office has a bust and a painting of Old Fritz. A glance at his Wikipedo page confirms that he wasn't a huge fan of uncontrolled immigration either.
 
Its almost impossible to defend him due to him being in charge of the Nachtigall battalion which was operating in conjunction with SS Einsatzgruppen units during 1941. The dude wasn't just a nazi or a nazi collaborator. He commanded a battalion in 1941 that actively killed unarmed civilians behind the lines and never got anywhere near frontline combat. He is implicated in killing both high-profile Poles and lots of Jews.

The Wikipedia article on the Nachtigall battalion is currently really bad. There is a whole section where its (falsely) claimed that an international tribunal and the Canadian government have exhonerated the Nachtigall battalion and Shukhevych while anyone claiming otherwise is just a participant in a "controversy".

He was also involved in all the massacres of Poles by Ukrainians in Poland and what later became western Ukraine from 1943-1945.

While Bandara stayed safe in western Germany after the war, Shukhevych continued the war against Poland and in the USSR in those countries until he was finally killed in 1950.

Though they keep trying, attempting to rehabilitate Shukhevych is a much more impossible task than with many of the other collaborators during the war. He is just a bad guy with alot of blood directly on his hands.
It's only almost impossible to defend him as long as you want to stay at least somewhat anchored to the truth, which appears to be optional at best in mainstream discourse in the west. If you drop these silly pretenses, all you need to say is "ur a ruZZian troll" and that's it.

"An illegitimate Soviet puppet state that had to use lethal force to keep people from leaving was the real Germany" was not something I expected from this thread.

Though it does tend to veer into some wackier corners when news from the actual front is slow, I guess.
Eh, well, in the east you had a police state that had to use lethal force to keep people from leaving. In the west you had state-organized pedophilia. I agree with whoever said that Germany died in 1945 or even 1918.
 
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"An illegitimate Soviet puppet state that had to use lethal force to keep people from leaving was the real Germany" was not something I expected from this thread.

Though it does tend to veer into some wackier corners when news from the actual front is slow, I guess.
Ah yes, US occupied West Germany where most of the population has been brainwashed into near suicidal self loathing is clearly des Deutschen Vaterland.
 
I'll be honest, that's a view I've had for a while that this war has only solidified. It seems all tanks are good for is fighting armoured vehicles, but that's a role suicide drones are doing more effectively, much cheaper, and incomparably safer for the crew. The suicide drone doesn't have a machine gun, so in theory it wouldn't be able to handle an infantry charge, but in practice the instant soldiers hear the buzzing they'll drop to a crouch and fire wildly into the air, and there have been plenty of videos of the drone operators subsequently calling in artillery strikes on the infantry position, or just diving down to blow them up directly.
I'm happy to be corrected, if you care to educate me on why tanks aren't obsolete yet.
Tanks may not be invulnerable but they are definitely the best thing to fulfill the role they are designed for.

In a combined arms assault they are extremely necessary. They have a gun which is cheap and effective at close range fire support for things like bunkers and fortified positions. They have tracks meaning there is very little terrain that will stop them including trenches. They have the most armor out of any of the armored vehicle types meaning they are more survivable than anything else. Though they may not be the most cost effective means of doing so they can support the infantry in the face of enemy armored vehicles. No other thing or combination of things can do all of these jobs with as little cost in money and lives.

Tanks have problems most noticeably in the form of drones. I think part of the issue with tanks in regards to drones is nobody has really been able to fully adapt to the presence of drones since basically everyone underestimated them. Perhaps much like how Soviet formations had dedicated local anti-air to deal with US air power army formations will have dedicated anti-drone formations and probably things like this are developing within the Russian Army already. Also I suspect the Ukrainian side especially since they haven't been able to support their armored vehicles very well has more issues with drones.

I will finish with something that should help you gain a large amount of perspective as well. The USSR lost something like 80,000 tanks in WW2. This out of the 100k or so they built during and the 25k or so they had produced before the war.
The USSR lost something like 65% of their tanks in a war they eventually ended up winning. Despite the absurd level of losses by today's standards tanks were not obsolete because they helped fulfill an important role. Part of the issue is todays military planners didn't plan for industrial warfare where you would lose a percentage of your tank force every month even though they should have. Tanks can and will be destroyed but that doesn't make them any less necessary or useful.
 
The USSR lost something like 80,000 tanks in WW2. This out of the 100k or so they built during and the 25k or so they had produced before the war.
The USSR lost something like 65% of their tanks in a war they eventually ended up winning.
Correct me if I'm mistaken, but didn't the USSR (and even Russia/Ukraine today) still count a vehicle as "lost" if it was damaged and abandoned in combat, even if it was later recovered, repaired, and returned to service? And that this is the real explanation behind the massive reported number of Soviet tank losses during WWII, as well as the absurd number of reported Russian/Ukrainian tank losses in the current conflict?
 
Genius douses himself in flammable fluid in front of the Russian embassy in Prague, fails to deliver


It says it was a foreigner, but doesn't mention nationality or any other details. Ukrainian seems likely.
The dumb cunt didn't even set the 'fluid' alight? Sounds like a coward. Did Vince leave Poland?
 
I don't really get the whole setting yourself on fire to protest someone/something you don't like. I mean, if you hate me, chances are I don't like you too much either. If you proceed to set yourself on fire, I'm not really going to have have any reaction beyond "well, I guess that solves that problem."
He didn't set himself on fire, he poured apple juice on his hand and threated to set himself on fire. He's a twat
 
"An illegitimate Soviet puppet state that had to use lethal force to keep people from leaving was the real Germany" was not something I expected from this thread.
"The East German AKs were the best" I can go along with that.

"The DDR were the based ones".......that's a hard no from me paht-nuh.
 
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