Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

[MrJokerRager]

Are we the baddies?

Starting two world wars that ended Europe being a complete shell of itself.

And that is before we get to the 30 years war, that luckily happened in a time when European elites hated niggers and muzzies.

YES.

 

[Jump]

What is the point of arresting them and doing criminal investigations? They have no problem just rounding up guys walking down the street and putting them in the military. Why not just send the goons in the truck to pick them up for processing into the military.

Or is this aimed at people who are outside Ukraine?

My guess is its for the draft dodgers. You open criminal cases then send warrants to get them extradited back to the ukraine.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

My guess is its for the draft dodgers. You open criminal cases then send warrants to get them extradited back to the ukraine.

Keyboard warriors get to put into action what they type, ha ha. But remember when I said in 2022 Ukraine is one big proving ground? Well, they're also refining what they plan to do to us; when they decide they need warm bodies this is exactly what the US government will do here. They're also tweaking how they will draft women too.

 

[MrJokerRager]

 

[why42]

The reality is should Nato who has no modern day experience in fighting high intensity conflicts be training Ukrainian soldiers or should Ukrainian veterans who have survived this experience be training new Ukrainian troops. When the United States entered ww1 they received training from the French and British before going to the front lines.

 

[MrJokerRager]

 

[The giant penis of doom]

You need a mirror custom made for the task of stopping lasers, which do exist

EUV lithography uses 40kW lasers and mirrors, since lenses don't work with EUV light. Not sure how much of that 40kW gets through the tinshooting, but that's way more than enough power to permanently blind a drone (or a human, or anything, really).

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

EUV lithography uses 40kW lasers and mirrors, since lenses don't work with EUV light. Not sure how much of that 40kW gets through the tinshooting, but that's way more than enough power to permanently blind a drone (or a human, or anything, really).

Weapons (lasers) used to intentionally blind enemy troops are banned and that's one of the bigger war crimes. It's OK to use lasers to kill the enemy but not to blind.

https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/documents/atrocity-crimes/Doc.43_CCW%20P-IV.pdf

 

[Betonhaus]

Weapons (lasers) used to intentionally blind enemy troops are banned and that's one of the bigger war crimes. It's OK to use lasers to kill the enemy but not to blind.

https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/documents/atrocity-crimes/Doc.43_CCW%20P-IV.pdf

Is it better or worse to be an army veteran who was discharged for being blind or partly blind, or to be discharged for missing limbs or internal organs or half your face, or not even surviving?

 

[Whoopsie Daisy]

A Drone Denial Platform exists, invented by the British and sold to civilian airports across Europe a few years back.
The weapons test was done over Christmas at Heathrow, causing days upon days of delays.
The new weapons platform was used, and within hours flights were restored.
France, Germany and Italy (IIRC) placed orders for the platform to be deployed in their major airports.

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

Is it better or worse to be an army veteran who was discharged for being blind or partly blind, or to be discharged for missing limbs or internal organs or half your face, or not even surviving?

They make decent artificial replacements for all those things except your eyes. Getting permanently blinded on the battlefield would suck pretty hard.

 

[Betonhaus]

They make decent artificial replacements for all those things except your eyes. Getting permanently blinded on the battlefield would suck pretty hard.

We do have the tech for artificial eyes, but it's not very commonplace. If there was a massive amount of blind war veterans that tech would be rapidly progressed so that they can go back and fight. But I concede the original point.

 

[MrJokerRager]

 

[Givi]

AT rifles were obsolete against everything except light tanks/those shitty infantry support tanks and their role was disabling non-tank armored vehicles or as anti-materiel rifles. At absolute best you'd be lucky enough to damage the tread, but then you'd probably get machine gunned to death since a tank is a pillbox on treads.

They're obsolete but when you have nothing else, you can still hope to get lucky even today, as funny as it sounds, even a machine gun can disable a tank if you're lucky enough and firing at the right sort of tank.

"Yermak fires an old WW2 anti-tank rifle non-stop at the T-64 rolling up to the checkpoint. He hits it again and again, but the tank keeps rolling forward (...) a 12.7mm Cliff machine gun camouflaged in an abandoned house on the right opened fire on the tank and hit the fuel line as soon as the tank started moving again. There was a flash, followed by a column of thick, black smoke..."

(The tank was immobilized and quickly towed back by a friendly tank).

"(...) when a Ukrainian tank was seriously damaged by a bullet fired from a sniper rifle. The unknown rifleman managed to shoot almost all of the optics available for a tank gunner, as well as the anti-aircraft sight."

Yeah, not great, and you'd much rather have literally anything else, but if you're in a decent enough position (ie: defending) and can get a lot of shots off, it's worth the effort if you don't have anything else.

 

[The giant penis of doom]

Weapons (lasers) used to intentionally blind enemy troops are banned and that's one of the bigger war crimes. It's OK to use lasers to kill the enemy but not to blind.

I'm aware, what I'm saying is that 40kW is more than enough to hurt, and mirrors handle that fine. Mind you, those are expensive Zeiss mirrors in the machines, but I have to assume the expense comes mostly from the extreme precision required for lithography, not the material. And for a cube corner mirror that reflects shit back, you don't need extreme precision

 

[MrJokerRager]

Some B1 bomber crashed today.

I am interested in the race and gender of the pilots as well as their test scores.

 

[Midwit]

The problem arises again on how much money it costs to put a drone in the air vs. how much it costs to knock one down

But is the cost of knocking it out lower than the cost to repair or replace the whatever it is that drone was going after?

 

[Halfnium Bomb]

A sniper rifle that is "human controlled" by a spotter who marks valid targets seems like a no brainer thing to make.

Horrible, awful idea.
Just target acquisition alone is a fucking nightmare. You're now carrying high resolution camera, a computer to process the feed from the camera, a battery to power both; double all that if you're doing a spotter/shooter arrangement--and it'll all go to shit the second you're in a firefight.
Imagine having to dick around with some clunky targetting interface and pray to the machine spirit that the target acquisition software doesn't lose track of the bastards shooting your way because they squatted slightly and now identifies them as a Toyota Prius.
Not to mention teaching software to read the wind*, estimating distance**, etc. And if any one of these things goes wrong, the spotter has to call how off the shot was, and have the shooter adjust. You've redeveloped the traditional sniper/spotter doctrine from first principles, with the added burden of data entry in the middle of a warzone.
* No, you can't just measure wind at your location, you have to consider changes in wind across the entire flight path of the bullet. Long range shooting is an autistic science, but it has a soul.
** Yes, you can use a laser rangefinder, but you need to keep the laser on target for a set amount of time, they only work in good weather, and the laser is visible under night vision.

tldr: you're building technology dependance for no gain, sovlless bugman thinking, darpa would approve

...$3,000 every time you pull the trigger.

You could scale it down from a 20mm to a .22lr and it would do just as well against cheap Mavics and the like, but would the radar the radar even pick up the drones? How will you protect the radar from shrapnel and debris? How are you going to incorporate the CIWS into the tank?

If there was a massive amount of blind war veterans that tech would be rapidly progressed so that they can go back and fight.

In the U.S. we can hardly get our own veterans back or knee surgery--you really think we could fund the R&D for some fuckin' awesome Robocop shit like artifical eyes?

 

[Betonhaus]

In the U.S. we can hardly get our own veterans back or knee surgery--you really think we could fund the R&D for some fuckin' awesome Robocop shit like artificial eyes?

I didn't specify the USA, but I concede your point.

 

[VargReallyDidNothingWrong]

I didn't specify the USA, but I concede your point.

Why would any military spend $60 million to give a fucked up veteran past his prime cyber eyes when there are 18 year olds graduating high school every day that have perfectly functional eyes and the rest of their body isn't ruined by a decade of active duty military service either?