Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

Hohols bitching about Poland was not received well by Poles on /r/europe:
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Seems like mutual seethe at Russia is no longer able to keep the fickle relationship together.
 
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Feline Supremacist said:
This isn't fake though:

СДАЛИСЬ ЦЕЛЫМ ВЗВОДОМ В ПЛЕН!
Очередное пополнение обменного фонда. Данные военнослужащие сдались в плен всем взводом после продолжительного боя.
Есть среди них и идейные, и мобилизованные, которые ещё неделю назад были дома, а их затолкали в машину и отвезли на убой, и всякие разные. Но все вместе они приняли одно единственное правильное решение - сдаться нашим войскам и не продолжать бездумно умирать за режим Зе.
Как видите, никто над ними не издевается, раненым оказывают помощь, все спокойно.

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THEY SURRENDERED AS A WHOLE PLATOON!
Another replenishment of the exchange fund. These soldiers surrendered to the whole platoon after a long battle.
There are ideological and mobilized among them, who were at home a week ago, but they were pushed into a car and taken to slaughter, and all sorts of different ones. But all together they made the only right decision - to surrender to our troops and not continue to die thoughtlessly for the Ze regime.
As you can see, no one is mocking them, the wounded are being treated, everything is calm.
(using Lord Bebo's video since it's subtitled)

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Genuinely happy for those guys. I'm sure plenty of the fighting age ukros we've got squatting over here would call them cowards, though.
 
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Did anyone else catch Kirby's circle jerk the other day? Apparently Russia is getting long range rockets from N. Korea. They cut a deal to provide long range missiles to Russia and in return they get.......long range missiles from Russia....... And, you knew he was serious because he had a map with a big red arrow on it behind him.

Anyway, Russia has then used these N. Korea supplied missiles to attack civilian targets like hospitals and schools in Ukraine (puppies and kittens were also killed.....maybe). Apparently the irony of the US providing weapons to Ukraine and Israel to do exactly what they are accusing the Russians of was lost on him....... As per usual there were no relevant questions asked, the gathered press just sat there and deep throated and swallowed everything.....
 
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SaidNoOneEver said:
The videos I've seen of suicide drones taking out single troops and vehicles are being actively guided until impact, often wildly adjusting course until the last moment. I'm talking about something that could jam those enough at the end to lessen effectiveness. My first guess is that jamming those freqs might interfere with their own comms.

I only bring this up because I knew effective cell jammers exist in the retail market. The FCC catches people using them all the time to knock out cell reception over entire blocks.



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I've heard of these. These signal jammers are also popular amongst people committing farm murders in South Africa.

In order to address your claim in full I'll say also that the mere presence of something like I described means that short range EW will basically never work so even if you never see the keep going mechanism applied it exists and it stops short range EW from working well. If a potential solution is so bad as to be nearly worthless in most cases it then it doesn't make sense to spend resources trying to get that solution to work. If you are making a military drone you can also fairly easily harden things meaning a stronger signal jammer is needed to jam the signals a drone receives in comparison to something like a cell phone. This further adds difficulty to trying to get short range EW to work

The tl;dr of the autism is that due to how easy it is to go really quickly short range EW isn't worthwhile. You might be able to ignore the autism if you accept the claim about it being impossible and not worth even trying against suicide drones.

Fair enough I considered this when I wrote the post but the only way to prove it is math and physics autism. It's just very basic physics but I didn't think it was worth the autism.

There have been EW guns that look quite sci-fi in this war but I don't think they have ever worked against suicide drones. From my understanding it has only really been used to stop things like the little drones dropping a grenade one after another and recon drones. They work well against simplistic drones or drones that are are in about the same spot for a long time.

I tried to address everything you said and still have my post be decently readable without someone reading the autism but I don't think I accomplished that. My apologies.

You used 50 meters in your original post which is not an insignificant distance for Electromagnetic wave transmission you could use 25m or 100m but there is an upper limit to what strength you can get with a man portable sort of device due to how much power things require. But 50m sounds about right and the autism I'm about to unleash will apply even if things are a bit lower or higher.

Let's say that a suicide drone has cross that 50m radius in a single second. Could be a bit more or a bit less but again due to how this works there is a bit of room.

So the drone needs to be going 50m/s.
multiply that by 3.6. (3600 seconds in one hour/ 1000m to 1 km)
That means the drone needs to go about 180km/hour to reach the target 50m away in one second.
180km/hr is not that fast for an aircraft and it is not out of reach of cars.
180km/hr is about 112 Miles per hour for anyone too lazy to convert to Imperial.

But i'll do you even one better I show that for any decently aerodynamic munition getting up to that speed or even faster is not that difficult using gravity alone and ignoring thrust.
There are a set of Energy Equations relating Potential Energy to Kinetic Energy. (I know this super basic and basically everyone know this but for completeness I must write this out).
it is mgh = 1/2m(v^2) where m is the mass of the falling object, g is the force of gravity and v is the velocity of the falling object. The beautiful thing about these two equations is that when put together they are mass independent meaning it doesn't matter how heavy something is.

Therefore the equation for h becomes h = 1/2(v^2)/g doing that for 50 m/s and using 10 for g the height needed to accelerate any object assuming drag is negligible is a mere 125 meters. Call it 200m because of drag and rounding error etc.

200m is really not very high up into the air at all. A drone can reach that height with little difficulty.

There is a non-linear relationship so that this is much more difficult at a 1000m meters needing to be crossed in a single second etc. But for short range EW these calculations hold pretty damn well. You can mess with the numbers a bunch and still get things that are easy for a small drone to do.

Also I'd thought I'd mention this is part of the reason why the Kinzhal works so well and why it is so deadly and nearly impossible to shoot down. It moves fast and part the reason it seems that it can move that fast is because it can use gravitational potential energy in addition to its own rocket engines to accelerate really quickly. Not that I know for sure because I didn't design the thing but based off of what I can see, that seems to be how it works.
 
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🇷🇺Fuck Ukraine🇷🇺 said:
Did anyone else catch Kirby's circle jerk the other day? Apparently Russia is getting long range rockets from N. Korea. They cut a deal to provide long range missiles to Russia and in return they get.......long range missiles from Russia....... And, you knew he was serious because he had a map with a big red arrow on it behind him.
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The story got alot of attention in the western media today and even generated comments from the Biden Administration. The stories all depend on the "analysis" of a freelance dutch blogger/writer named Joost Oliemans. Joost Oliemans superpower is being able to identify a rocket from debris seen on a video. He got a mathmatics degree in 2014 and also calls himself more recently a "scientific developer". The western media has made him an international expert because.....why not.

Various people in the west like this particular story because its part of building the new "axis of evil" where Russia is partners with Iran (drones), North Korea (Missiles) and venezuela (destablization of the US southern border).

The KN-23 from North Korea looks and acts alot like a Russian Iskander. There is nothing to say that the Russians didn't buy KN-23s from North Korea. But there is little to say that they did either.
 
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Feline Supremacist said:
This isn't fake though:

СДАЛИСЬ ЦЕЛЫМ ВЗВОДОМ В ПЛЕН!
Очередное пополнение обменного фонда. Данные военнослужащие сдались в плен всем взводом после продолжительного боя.
Есть среди них и идейные, и мобилизованные, которые ещё неделю назад были дома, а их затолкали в машину и отвезли на убой, и всякие разные. Но все вместе они приняли одно единственное правильное решение - сдаться нашим войскам и не продолжать бездумно умирать за режим Зе.
Как видите, никто над ними не издевается, раненым оказывают помощь, все спокойно.

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THEY SURRENDERED AS A WHOLE PLATOON!
Another replenishment of the exchange fund. These soldiers surrendered to the whole platoon after a long battle.
There are ideological and mobilized among them, who were at home a week ago, but they were pushed into a car and taken to slaughter, and all sorts of different ones. But all together they made the only right decision - to surrender to our troops and not continue to die thoughtlessly for the Ze regime.
As you can see, no one is mocking them, the wounded are being treated, everything is calm.
(using Lord Bebo's video since it's subtitled)

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I have never had a bad experience with a Russian. Every Russian I have ever met has been extremely friendly and polite.

This is why I want Total Ukrainian Genocide. There is not a better country on the planet that deserves such an upending victory over the Globohomo Gay Homo Faggotry Regime that currently plagues the West.
 
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Sneed S. McSneedensen said:
This is why I want Total Ukrainian Genocide.
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I want Total Ukrop Annihilation for the people burned alive in Odessa; for the murdered mother and her baby in Gorlovka; for all the murdered children and everyone killed by the Ukrofascists in Donbass, but many, if not all, of those who surrendered that are not fascists are Russian ethnics from center and Eastern Ukraine who were forcibly conscripted. This war is over for them unless they choose to fight with Russia. I'm sure some will.
 
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An interview with a German lieutenant general that has been leading the European Union Education and Training Command for Ukraine in Germany for

Besides some fluff and few bad takeaways..

There is something that caught my attention.






Shouldn't the type of training be more closely adapted to the Ukrainian training methodology?

We are not Ukrainians, and therefore it is difficult for us to train according to Ukrainian doctrine. When considering the counteroffensive, you also have to be fair. Of the 200,000 professional soldiers there in February 2022, the majority have now been killed, wounded or promoted. The majority of Ukrainian frontline soldiers today are civilians or, at best, reservists. And they do it brilliantly.
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if the bulk of the professionals Ukrainian forces has been whipped out. How many mobilized Ukrainian soldiers have been killed ? Bet those numbers probably won't look pretty. Taking in account the multiple mobilization, overfilled cemeteries and new mass cemeteries and basically recruiting anyone along with their dog. As i've been saying from the beginning!

It's save to say that there is likely between 350000 to 450000 dead Ukrainians bare minimum.. How many wounded and missing is far harder to estimate. Because the Ukrainians managed to hide this better.


I wouldn't be surprised that at the end of this conflict there will be a million dead Ukrainians or close to it. With 2 or more millions of wounded.
 
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sneedpest said:
yeah like a random new OSINT account claimed that Gerasimov got killed. Same shit what happened when Sokolov was killed only to appear on next weeks rus MOD briefing
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SaidNoOneEver said:
One random twitter account said that, Visegrad ran with it then all the other NAFO's used that as circular confirmation. 99% chance the guy wasn't even in the area,

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You know, I think the only thing stopping the Ukrainians from claiming that they killed Putin himself is that they need him to exist so he can contiue to be the Devil figure for this little religion. They'd do it too the motherfuckers, just spam the airwaves with "PUTIN IS DEAD" before he can even finish breakfast.
 
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Wunderwaffle got delayed again
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One of the biggest contributors to Ukraine’s defense, Denmark was due to supply the first six of the aircraft around the new year, but they’ll instead be delivered some time during the second quarter, the ministry said, according to the newspaper.

Berlingske quoted the ministry as saying the delivery schedule always hinged on a number of conditions being met. These include the successful training of Ukrainian pilots as well as the availability of sufficient logistics and infrastructure to service the aircraft in Ukraine, the ministry said, without providing more detail.

Denmark is replacing its fleet of F-16s with new F-35 Joint Striker Fighters, but is also facing delays receiving those on schedule from producer Lockheed Martin Corp.

Outgoing Prime Minister Mark Rutte said on Dec. 22 that the Netherlands would “prepare” an initial 18 F-16 fighter aircraft for delivery to Ukraine. Various criteria must be met before the handover can take place, Rutte said on X, formerly Twitter.
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Lot of delays all around. Smells like reluctance, it's not like lack of logistics stopped them before.
 
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Strix454 said:
The story got alot of attention in the western media today and even generated comments from the Biden Administration. The stories all depend on the "analysis" of a freelance dutch blogger/writer named Joost Oliemans. Joost Oliemans superpower is being able to identify a rocket from debris seen on a video. He got a mathmatics degree in 2014 and also calls himself more recently a "scientific developer". The western media has made him an international expert because.....why not.

Various people in the west like this particular story because its part of building the new "axis of evil" where Russia is partners with Iran (drones), North Korea (Missiles) and venezuela (destablization of the US southern border).

The KN-23 from North Korea looks and acts alot like a Russian Iskander. There is nothing to say that the Russians didn't buy KN-23s from North Korea. But there is little to say that they did either.
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It makes sense.

Russia gets more 400 mile range missiles immediately, N. Korea gets money and food and other resources, N. Korea gets to test their stuff under war time conditions, Russia gets to saturate Ukrainian AD and gets to hit more targets.

Win win all around.

There are rumors that Russia will sell N. Korea Su-30/34/35s and/or upgrade their Mig-29s and Su-25s as payment for missiles too.

Some rockets that N. Korea makes have no direct equivalent in Russia or Ukraine and would be useful to see what they do in combat.

See also rumors of Russia wanting a few Iranian precision ballistic missiles.

What better way to test their performance against Israeli class AD than against Ukraine?
 
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The original Korean Iskandar will likely fit on Russian Iskandar launcher as it is it's relative. The bigger variant wont. Which is what has supposed to have been used. The KN-24 which is also claimed to have been transferred has a bigger diameter. So that's also dubious.

Unless we see some footage of Korean TEL vehicles used by Russia. I wouldn't take any stock into this.
 
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Rubick said:
An interview with a German lieutenant general that has been leading the European Union Education and Training Command for Ukraine in Germany for

Besides some fluff and few bad takeaways..

There is something that caught my attention.

https://www.nzz.ch/international/uk...-und-erfahrungen-zur-eu-ausbildung-ld.1771326
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This was a very interesting article. It explains some of the difficulties with the NATO training of Ukrainians. The German explains that the soldiers Ukraine has been sending for training have often consisted of 30% experienced soldiers and 70% completely untrained civilians. Rather than giving an army training in advanced tactics and how to use the NATO supplied equipment, the interview suggests that the NATO training has often been reduced to basic recruit training. Combined with the length of the course being so short, the Ukrainian troops would have likely learned almost nothing.

The agrees with articles from the Ukrainian side which suggested they were sending soldiers to be trained by NATO based on their youth and enthusiam for the war. Which would tend to be recruits rather than veterans. But it would make the training of very little value.
 
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Strix454 said:
articles from the Ukrainian side which suggested they were sending soldiers to be trained by NATO based on their youth and enthusiam for the war
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Seems the Ukraine military is still stuck in the late Soviet era mindset (valuing adherence to youthful malleability and political doctrine) despite their denials to the contrary, while Russia has put a lot of effort in moving on and adapting, and demanding that one support their nation, not a particular ideology.

I guess the closest to an ideology Russia has at present is a vague Eastern Slavic pan-nationalism encompassing Russia, Belarus and Ukraine while also making an effort to portray itself as multicultural. idk a Russian would be better able to elucidate on this.
 
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ForTheHoard said:
I know lasers and DE weapons aren't that common on the battlefield right now, but wouldn't they be fairly easy to defeat with refractory materials?
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No.
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I know weather conditions are an enormous factor with atmospheric lasers, and I don't know how powerful a laser needs to be to bore through a mirror cruising through the air.
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That's not how those weapons work. I knew a guy who lived on Kwajalein when a lot of testing was being done there and he explained that the laser defence system doesn't work by melting or burning its target, rather it is simply a huge amount of energy that impacts the missile, with a similar effect to a kinetic blow.

FYI, even under the best atmospheric circumstances, thermal blooming becomes an issue with these weapons.
 
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