George RR Martin, his fanboys, and former fanbase

[Dragged Into Sunlight]

He raged on his blog about the ending of Lost being bad. Damon Lindenhof was on a podcast after Game of Thrones ended, defended the show writers, but laid into GRRM. Basically got his revenge by saying GRRM never wrote an end to his story because he is a coward.

This is made even funnier by the fact that Lindelof had a chance to prove all the Lost ending haters wrong with the ending of The Leftovers but ended the show in the EXACT same "it wasn't about the answers, it was about the friends we made along the way" way. But The Leftovers got a pass on that because it was a critical darling that all the journos could put on their lists of "Best TV shows you uncultured swine aren't watching."

Tourists eventually leave. These people parasite the fandom until everybody else leaves. Fan Colonisers is more accurate.

They're currently burrowing into the 40K Fandom and trying to make female Space Marines a thing. I hope to god the Cavill 40k adaptation goes nowhere because if that happens, 40K is done too.

 

[Radola Gajda]

I also remember him mentioning that one of the key reasons why society was still stuck in the Middle Ages for literal millennia was that there were no fossil fuel reserves to be found underground, which halted further technological advances. This bears the question, couldn't they come up with alternative fuel methods, like water or manual mechanics? The other key reason was due to superstition borne from the differing religions. This is just Martin being a fedora fuckwad.

Lol , few problems with this explanation A ) How are people in Westeros producing iron and steel in large enough quantity to be useful without coal .? So they must have found alternative
B) between end of medieval age and start of industrial revolution there is more than 3 centuries of advancement. (More like half of millenium considering feudal system still exists in Westeros)In that time we can see rise and fall of massive Spanish colonial Empire. And armies wielding gunpowder weapons. ...

 

[Absolutego]

It's never coming out. George is just stalling until he dies. It's obvious he was having trouble resolving the story even before the show came out and I'm sure the reaction to the last couple of seasons killed any motivation he had to finish. I would rather he just made more history books with little stories about the universe like The World of Ice and Fire instead at this point. Put your faith in Sanderson instead, who actually has a professional work ethic.

If you're referring to Sanderson doing for GRRM what he did for Robert Jordan's estate, he's gone on record that he won't do it, because GRRM's universe is too grimdark and perverted and it would violate his Mormon values to write it.
Plus also GRRM claims to have orders to delete all his notes in his will, though I'm sure the suits at Random House will sue to stop that from happening.

 

[Dragged Into Sunlight]

If you're referring to Sanderson doing for GRRM what he did for Robert Jordan's estate, he's gone on record that he won't do it, because GRRM's universe is too grimdark and perverted and it would violate his Mormon values to write it.
Plus also GRRM claims to have orders to delete all his notes in his will, though I'm sure the suits at Random House will sue to stop that from happening.

Should have clarified that. I meant that in a "abandon caring about GRRMs series and just get into Sandersons series instead" way, not have Sanderson finish the books. His style is completely incompatible with the tone of ASOIAF and i always find it dumb when people say he should take over.

 

[draggs]

From the little I've paid attention, GRRM already finished Winds once (or was close) then thought it was garbage and rewrote the entire thing then thought it was still garbage and is now rewriting the whole thing for a second time? Something like that

He's never finishing it, or Dream. If he does the pressure will be that they MUST "fix" the drizzling shits that was the last two seasons of the show. He's a fat lunatic why would he want to deal with that pressure, just keep raking in money doing other shit until he strokes out or his heart explodes

 

[Tasty Tatty]

Dany going crazy has always been a meme supported by the Stark fandom. Dany burning down King's Landing isnt' even her plot, it's Griff's. Show fans haven't read Dance so they don't know him. This is one of famous Martin's three fold revelation storylines:

1. Hint: Situation being introduced (characters talking about Griff's past before we met him)
2. Blatant: Situation being spoken of to remind us (Griff showing how traumatized he was by not burning down a full town and saying almost textually: I'm gonna burn down shit now)
3. Reveal: Situation happens (Griff will eventually burn down shit)

I know Dany still has a chance to go nuts and doing it, but Griff has narratively more chances of doing it than her because he has dreams of burning down a town with the sound of bells behind him.

 

[Baraka Obama]

As Season 5 of GoT premiered in 2015, an increasing number of fans became concerned. There was a notable drop in quality of the shows writing. This could be largely attributed to GRRM no longer writing episodes as well as the show running out of material.

It's actually worse than that. Season 5 corresponds to Book 4 and the problem is that Book 4 is much worse than the first 3 books. The source material follows the same pattern as the TV show.

I'm going to out myself as a former fan. I bought into the series shortly before the release of A Feast for Crows in Summer 2005. The first three books are amazing, excluding the last few pages of A Storm of Swords where he for some reason has Daenerys stay in the slave states and try to rule. He must have had some amazing creative energy and work ethic in the 90s that he just really does not have any more and has not had for a long time.

A lot of people forget this but A Feast for Crows and A Dance with Dragons were supposed to be one book that was split "in publishing." Book 4 was a mess as a result, many perspectives missing and it there was a clear aimlessness to the writing plus a lot of the plot points just sucked. I thought in 2005 after reading it that it was worse but the "coming soon" book 5 would rectify that.

After all, they were split in publishing. GRRM was promising Book 5 was right around the corner.

Six disappointing years of "finish the book, George" later A Dance with Dragons was released and also was not good. The show was starting and I just didn't care any more. It was clear in 2011 that GRRM had lost all his skill and energy, there was nothing left to the series but hope for him to pull a Robert Jordan, die, and let Brandon Sanderson finish it off. I decided to just watch on as the TV show crowd came to the same disappointment in 5 years or so and boy was the schaudenfraude fun.

I would love to say "I can't believe book 6 still isn't out" but man it really would be for the best if he never finishes it.

Thanks for reading my not a blog.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

I wonder what would have happened if the series would have never gained such a fandom, or at least GRRM wouldn't had any connection to the internet. Since probably the biggest reason why he didn't finish the series is that the fans predicted pretty much the entire plot from his foreshadowing.

 

[Mega Black]

and i always find it dumb when people say he should take over

Sandersonfags are retarded cult members who think he is writing God. The Sanderson fan pretty much only consumes the lowest of the low slop. Concepts like tone or execution are beyond their reach.

 

[Absolutego]

Sandersonfags are retarded cult members who think he is writing God. The Sanderson fan pretty much only consumes the lowest of the low slop. Concepts like tone or execution are beyond their reach.

Yeah, if I wanted to read the most utterly generic fantasy in the world I'd go back to reading R.A. Salvatore novels again.
I do like how Sanderson's volume of production and clearly conservative political views make the Tor clique seethe endlessly about him, though.

 

[TheHarbinger]

I wonder what would have happened if the series would have never gained such a fandom, or at least GRRM wouldn't had any connection to the internet. Since probably the biggest reason why he didn't finish the series is that the fans predicted pretty much the entire plot from his foreshadowing.

Some of the endings were obvious from day one like "King Bran" because of "Bran the Blessed" from Welsh mythology. Bran even means 'crow' so everyone assumed that he would become the "Crow King". Bran is even the first chapter of the books aside from the prologue. He's even younger in the books so it will be even more spectacularly stupid when he says GRRM's line of "Why do you think I came all this way?".

The problem is that people assumed that Bran would become like the God Emperor of Dune. Especially when GRRM introduced those Weirwood paths where he could see the past and the present and time travel. Instead he's more like Professor X in his wheelchair just sans powers by the end of the story.

Dany going crazy has always been a meme supported by the Stark fandom. Dany burning down King's Landing isnt' even her plot, it's Griff's. Show fans haven't read Dance so they don't know him. This is one of famous Martin's three fold revelation storylines:

Dany burning down King's Landing is absolutely from GRRM. Her dragons burn down King's Landing and accidentally set off the wildfire stores killing half of the city in the blink of an eye. This is in the scripts and you can see the green fire in the HBO adaptation in a few scenes as wildfire is exploding. Danny is also pregnant at that time in the books. And they likely shot a scene of her pregnant in the HBO version but didn't want Jon's character to be a guy who murders his pregnant wife (in case they did a sequel and they don't want to alienate the female fans).

GRRM's whole greyscale storyline is going nowhere. Just another red herring into nothing that the series is infamous for now.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

GRRM's whole greyscale storyline is going nowhere. Just another red herring into nothing that the series is infamous for now.

The issue with the greyscale storyline is that it's not "both sides has a point but are too different to reconcile between them" like Legend of Galactic Heroes, but instead "the bad guys have some redeeming qualities" which doesn't make the conflict have any depth or allows you to choose a side to support.

 

[Tasty Tatty]

Dany burning down King's Landing is absolutely from GRRM. Her dragons burn down King's Landing and accidentally set off the wildfire stores killing half of the city in the blink of an eye. This is in the scripts and you can see the green fire in the HBO adaptation in a few scenes as wildfire is exploding. Danny is also pregnant at that time in the books. And they likely shot a scene of her pregnant in the HBO version but didn't want Jon's character to be a guy who murders his pregnant wife (in case they did a sequel and they don't want to alienate the female fans).

Someone burning down KL is from GRRM, but not necessarily that the person was Dany.

Same way Ramsay raping someone was from GRRM -as in the fucking published books that everybody has read and known- but that someone was not Sansa Stark. Same way someone had greyscale but it wasn't Jorah.

If Dumb and Dumber didn't mind changing important characters' storylines that we all knew about, then I'm sure they cared even less for characters whose fates haven't yet been revealed to the audience because the books weren't published. Most people who haven't read the books are not gonna mind aside from how "cool" it looks on the screen.

"Hey, this guy burned down King's Landing, isn't that cool?"

"Yeah, but we aren't casting him, so let's make Dany do it in the same way it was cool that Ramsay was a rapist but we never cast the victim and gave it to Sansa".

 

[Tasty Tatty]

Sorry double post, this part didn't quote:

GRRM's whole greyscale storyline is going nowhere. Just another red herring into nothing that the series is infamous for now.

Can't remembe it accurately right now, but the story of (I think) the origin of greyscale is similar to a story related to the Others. There is a probable foreshadowing there.

Griff has greyscale at the moment, a character who is now supporting the child of a man he loved... but the answer to his one affliction might be in the place where the actual son of that man is living. This, imo, sounds like a very likely scenario for GRRM to take us. Griff loves Aegon because he's his path of redemption as he failed a man he was in love with, and he also loved him as a son of his own, but he's gonna realise Aegon is not the person he thought, but the actual heir of Rhaegar is some other kid he doesn't know.

Like I said. Martin might be a lazy fuck, but he can write good storylines that cross and this sounds like something he could do.

 

[nikma]

He will never finish The Winda of Winter.

He will never finish more Dunk and Egg.

He will never finish Fire and Blood Vol. 2

The old cunt is a fraud.

 

[RA-5C Vigilante]

He will never finish The Winda of Winter.

He will never finish more Dunk and Egg.

He will never finish Fire and Blood Vol. 2

The old cunt is a fraud.

Lazy? Undoubtedly. Bad writer? Debatable. Overrated? Completely.
A fraud? He delivered a whole book series, unfinished, but still a set of books, so I disagree.

 

[The Taco Santo!]

I really liked Fire and Blood and thought it was the best thing he ever shat out into the world. I read some of the Wild Card books back when I was like 9, but wasn't much impressed.

 

[draggs]

I think Dany staying in Meereen is a product of Feast and Dance originally being one book, and he introduces all these characters and storylines, and he realized Dany was going to get to the Free Cities or Westeros too soon and he needed something for Victarion to do because otherwise he'd try to kill Euron too soon, so ezpz, have Dany stay in Meereen and have Victarion sail off to get her and bring her to Westeros. It's sloppy planning but that's not saying anything new or clever about Feast and Dance

 

[Stab You in the Back]

I think Dany staying in Meereen is a product of Feast and Dance originally being one book, and he introduces all these characters and storylines, and he realized Dany was going to get to the Free Cities or Westeros too soon and he needed something for Victarion to do because otherwise he'd try to kill Euron too soon, so ezpz, have Dany stay in Meereen and have Victarion sail off to get her and bring her to Westeros. It's sloppy planning but that's not saying anything new or clever about Feast and Dance

My favorite explanation is that Dany was supposed to be a Bush analogue, and in trying to make a point about Iraq being a quagmire, tubby ended up creating a quagmire his child princess couldn't get out of.

 

[TheHarbinger]

I think Dany staying in Meereen is a product of Feast and Dance originally being one book, and he introduces all these characters and storylines, and he realized Dany was going to get to the Free Cities or Westeros too soon and he needed something for Victarion to do because otherwise he'd try to kill Euron too soon, so ezpz, have Dany stay in Meereen and have Victarion sail off to get her and bring her to Westeros.

The original story was a trilogy. Then it became five books. Then seven. Then a whole franchise. GRRM never plans anything. The ages of the characters makes no sense in the books. The leaders of the entire world are all teenagers and children. Frodo and the Fellowship are all adults. With Frodo being 50-years-old when he leaves the Shire. Yet in Westeros they have Rob a child king, Jon a child in charge of the Night's Watch, Dany is a child with dragons, Bran is a child demigod. It's like a shonen manga story or Harry Potter where everyone who is a main character is a high school aged genius. Imagine if Frodo was an 11-year-old and Aragorn had just turned 14.

It's sloppy planning but that's not saying anything new or clever about Feast and Dance

The fourth book containing less than half of its intended plot should have set off alarm bells at his publisher but he had too much goodwill. It has clearly spiraled out of control into the problem now. Which is that he obviously never intends to finish the series (especially seeing that everyone laughed at his endings when they made to the HBO show).