Ukrainian Defensive War against the Russian Invasion - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

[AgendaPoster]

Totally neutral American media personality Scott Ritter went to Chechnya to do some random shit with the locals.
Must watch propaganda video, as I said, we're really deep into dystopia.

Bonus Denys from Telegram:

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Local media is shocked about Ritter lmao

Auto-translate thinks "cecena" translates to Czech. Sad!

 

[Abowaffen]

Scott Ritter went to Chechnya to do some random shit with the locals.

Alright, fuck it. Who wants to help me make a Scott Ritter thread?

 

[Climaxing Sunset]

Been awhile since I followed this war. Has anything changed? Seems like the Slavs are just massacring each other and the battle lines are stagnant.

 

[No. 7 cat]

Professor Gerdes did describe in the vid itself as UA claiming so, Russia saying nothing, not an outright claim, but Prof Gerdes says he gave the impression of the certainty there never was. The title was the culprit and perhaps also certain words. Gerasimov seems a meat shield merchant, but has an awareness of the other aspects of war like propaganda and demoralisation, but for Putin the main thing is his loyalty. The deaths of randoms poors is a non issue.

Times Radio interview of retired politician Hugo Lord Swire, on the use of DPRK dud ammo as their own supplies decrease, but the biggest issue is the Congressional squeeze on aid. Basically says Putin is hoping for a Trump Presidency. The US foots the bill heavily for NATO (altho in the terms of Ukraine, which is doesn't say in this video, it's more closely balanced, but still the US massively matters for the positive trend of a higher spend on defense within the EU requires US support not barracking by a serially bankrupt fortunate son and Epstein bro).

Surely Ritter's double conviction for paedophilia means he's mud in most places but for the Russian's (and some tankie weirdo) he's someone. Given Putin's known tastes, it's fitting.

Optimistic and hopefully untrue.
If he's dead, its possible his successor might be competent and not just send moblik meat-waves at Ukrainian positions.

Not a strong chance mind you, but a chance.

If Ukraine's aid can be secured, Gerasimov is the best possible commander with traditional Russia meat shield tactics. It makes planning easier.

 

[Fuck It We'll Do It Live]

Two Pantsir-S1s in the Belgorod region go BOOM, thanks to a loitering munition:

The UI might belong to the Warmate, as shown in this still from a previous attack:

 

[Snekposter]

Imagine if instead of Ukraine we had sent those Cold-War era infantry fighting vehicles rotting in storage to all the Trayvons on the corner so they could lift themselves out of their section 8 housing and life of gibsmedats.

Instead of letting Norway and Denmark send their F-16s to Ukraine, we should instead buy those F-16s and use them to fix muh heckin roads or some shit!

Funny... I thought he was talking about shipping those ATACMS there on a ballistic trajectory instead of via the USPS. Turning Section 8 housing blocks into smoking craters could only improve that land's basic property value, after all.

 

[geckogoy]

Yeah dude. The ghetto near my Airport really could have used a touch up with 155 shells and expired ATACMs missiles.

Imagine if instead of Ukraine we had sent those Cold-War era infantry fighting vehicles rotting in storage to all the Trayvons on the corner so they could lift themselves out of their section 8 housing and life of gibsmedats.

Instead of letting Norway and Denmark send their F-16s to Ukraine, we should instead buy those F-16s and use them to fix muh heckin roads or some shit!

We are spending billions trying to replace the ammunition we are sending them you retards.

 

[AgendaPoster]

We are spending billions trying to replace the ammunition we are sending them you retards.

Obviously not enough of them, more has to be spent until Ukraine can overcome Russia's size.

 

[Snekposter]

We are spending billions trying to replace the ammunition we are sending them you retards.

That's billions we should have been spending years ago making sure we had a steady supply of munitions to keep our ammo depots full. But we didn't and so we're paying extra as we need to rush to get decayed production lines back up to full speed and then some to compensate for literal decades of deficiency.

 

[Kendall Motor Oil]

Imagine if instead of Ukraine we had sent those Cold-War era infantry fighting vehicles rotting in storage to all the Trayvons on the corner so they could lift themselves out of their section 8 housing and life of gibsmedats.

If they sold them to Russia and China, then the US would finally have FREE healthcare.

to compensate for literal decades of deficiency.

I think this is something purposely overlooked by people complaining about sending munitions over. The US has stockpiles of aging munitions that will be mothballed, sold, or disassembled. Instead of replacing them, the US just does nothing and everyone pretends everything will be okay. In their minds, funding military munitions replacement threatens their "free" services and wasteful spending. This also doesn't address the data gathered from fielding such weapons which is invaluable.
There is also the logic that cluster munitions are war crimes and unnecessary on the field of battle or not worth the cost of legless children in Africa because an activist group successfully marketed to people. The logic is that most governments are peaceful and the US is the eternal belligerent(great satan to internet larpers). The same logic goes for nuclear weapons. They can't fathom there are regimes and cultures much worse than the US' by a far margin.

 

[geckogoy]

The munition stockpile was kept at a steady state with already-established production contracts. All those are meant to do is replace stuff as it expires during peacetime. The idea was that if a war broke out, we would spend more to speed up production if and when that occurred. We are too poor because of covid, so only half measures were taken. Nevertheless, billions are still being spent on the principal munitions being supplied:

https://breakingdefense.com/2023/05/army-and-javelin-joint-venture-ink-3-year-deal-valued-over-7-billion/

https://www.defensenews.com/land/2023/11/08/us-army-eyes-31-billion-ammo-production-boost-in-new-spending-ask/

https://news.lockheedmartin.com/2023-04-27-us-army-awards-production-contract-for-all-weather-gmlrs-rocket

Also, no, we do not have 'aging stockpiles' left over anymore, that stuff is all either long since expired or long since expended. They have been dipping into the reserves for the army for some time now. This war has consumed thousands upon thousands of missiles and millions of artillery shells.

 

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

We are spending billions trying to replace the ammunition we are sending them you retards.

1) Much of the stuff was already mothballed/in storage, not in active service (some of it set to be permanently decommissioned anyways)
2) In case you aren't aware, the US military generally tends do this thing called "buy American", where most of our shit is built here. Yes, that means the money being spent "on Ukraine" isnt being spent in Ukraine, its being spent here.
3) We haven't been sending them that much, we've been fucking drip-feeding them small batches of stuff.

So tell me, with hundreds of ATACMS set to get decommissioned and replaced with the newer, better PrSM TBM, why should we pay to take apart those ATACMS and basically throw them away as scrap, when we could instead just pay to ship them over to Ukraine so the damn missiles can be used to do what they were designed to do 30 odd years ago?

 

[WhiteNight]

I found a useful resource. Michael Kofman is a Ukrainian-American commentator and a prominent analyst of the Katsap-Hohol war. His website War on the Rocks hosts a large number of articles and podcasts, but the latter are paywalled behind a membership subscription. However, PodBean has 11 recent podcasts, which can be downloaded free of charge off their website (or listened to in their app):

https://www.podbean.com/podcast-detail/q7r8z-28bc0a/The-Russia-Contingency-with-Michael-Kofman-Podcast

The "Post-Mortem" is a two-hour retrospective on 2023 with two other commentators (Rob Lee and Dara Massicot), and is worth listening to. It's a single conversation broken into three parts.

 

[Snekposter]

The munition stockpile was kept at a steady state with already-established production contracts. All those are meant to do is replace stuff as it expires during peacetime.

Yeah, minus twenty years of expenditures in Iraq and Afghanistan that burned through all our Cold War stockpiles, and Europeans being Europeans never fucking bothered to even have stockpiles since they (not exactly incorrectly) expected Uncle Sam to shower them in free shit in case the USSR actually did something stupid. You can talk about "muh Ukraine" all you want but at the end of the day the Bundeswehr was taking broomsticks on training exercises years before they started shipping artillery shells over. Imagine having an RRF that doesn't actually have its basic equipment! I love that their excuse is "there's no reason for an HQ vehicle to have the barest minimum in defensive weaponry" as if that justifies them being total skinflints. Hell, Germany couldn't even supply fucking boots to its soldiers, the absolute most basic of all equipment. What was supposed to happen in 2016 got massively delayed and I'm still not certain they ever actually got those boots delivered. You can thank Ursula von der Leyen for all that, and as "punishment" for her total mismanagement of the German military was promoted to head up the EU Commission. With allies like Europe who the fuck needs an enemy like Russia?

Also, no, we do not have 'aging stockpiles' left over anymore, that stuff is all either long since expired or long since expended

So explain that ATACMS we sent over that had 1996 stenciled on the side... That thing should have been expended in a live-fire drill at least a decade ago.

 

[Abowaffen]

They have been dipping into the reserves for the army for some time now.

The horror. What is the point in even maintaining a military if adversaries can just take over friendly countries with zero consequences? What does that say to every single other country on earth, both friend and foe? In my opinion, this may be one of those critical times where sacrificing a bit of "readiness" might be acceptable.

 

[MG-34]

We are spending billions trying to replace the ammunition we are sending them you retards.

You're pretty uneducated on this. Missiles and ordinance bigger than small arms 1.4 explosives expires. The majority of Stinger missiles, Javelins and other sophisticated guided weapons sent in drawdowns was months away from being unsuitable for issue. Cluster munitions aren't being replaced and are a terminal asset. We aren't buying new M113s, M2 Bradleys, M1 Abrams tanks, MRAPs/MATVs, M777 guns and in fact are paying large sums of tax dollars to destroy some of these examples in accordance with OSHA standards to clear space at Serria Army Depot and other locations.

 

[Night Crawler]

Yeah, minus twenty years of expenditures in Iraq and Afghanistan that burned through all our Cold War stockpiles, and Europeans being Europeans never fucking bothered to even have stockpiles since they (not exactly incorrectly) expected Uncle Sam to shower them in free shit in case the USSR actually did something stupid. You can talk about "muh Ukraine" all you want but at the end of the day the Bundeswehr was taking broomsticks on training exercises years before they started shipping artillery shells over. Imagine having an RRF that doesn't actually have its basic equipment! I love that their excuse is "there's no reason for an HQ vehicle to have the barest minimum in defensive weaponry" as if that justifies them being total skinflints. Hell, Germany couldn't even supply fucking boots to its soldiers, the absolute most basic of all equipment. What was supposed to happen in 2016 got massively delayed and I'm still not certain they ever actually got those boots delivered. You can thank Ursula von der Leyen for all that, and as "punishment" for her total mismanagement of the German military was promoted to head up the EU Commission. With allies like Europe who the fuck needs an enemy like Russia?

I doubt the US burned through much of its cold war stockpiles fighting wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. Afghanistan was a low intensity war against insurgents. Iraq was a war against a country that didn't have much in the way of a military and then after that it turned into a low intensity conflict against an insurgency. Those kinds of conflicts would in no way use up any of whatever the US stockpiled from the cold war. The average expected life span for US soldier in a war against the Soviets in Germany was about 20 minutes. Just look up the Fulda Gap and Seven Days to The Rhine on YouTube. An actual modern war against a modern fully capable enemy would require a lot of equipment repairs and manufacturing. It would be very demanding. The US managed to defeat the Germans with weapons manufacturing. This was the plan against the Soviets as well. The Soviets outnumbered the Western armies in Germany 3:1.

Whatever is going on in Ukraine isn't about to be as demanding as anything the US prepared to face in a scenario against the Soviets. Also, after the cold war the US never really stopped producing weapons. The Russians are the ones that were depending on a stockpile of weapons they inherited from the Soviet Union. A lot of those weapons were manufactured in places like Ukraine and other former Soviet republics. The Russians didn't have the money to make anything new, so they just kept upgrading their old Soviet era stuff. That's why they have multiple different variations of the same tanks. If anyone is running out of weapons, it's the Russians. They are getting drones from Iran ammo from North Korea and have sent T55's and T-62's to Ukraine. That would be like the US sending M-48 Patton's to Iraq in 2003.

 

[Foltest]

Alright, fuck it. Who wants to help me make a Scott Ritter thread?

I have never understood why vatniks are putting so must trust and vaule in a convicted pedo!
McGregor I can understand, as his background give some credinalts, but fucking Ritter?!

 

[No. 7 cat]

I have never understood why vatniks are putting so must trust and vaule in a convicted pedo!
McGregor I can understand, as his background give some credinalts, but fucking Ritter?!

Scott Ritter obviously has some creds via his military training / experience and his role as weapons inspector, but the Russians patently don't seem to get that people tend to be visceral towards pedos. His double conviction suggests someone fixated in that state.

 

[Astro Galactic Megalul]

I have never understood why vatniks are putting so must trust and vaule in a convicted pedo!
McGregor I can understand, as his background give some credinalts, but fucking Ritter?!

Just his value as 5th column, nothing else.