Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

The plan seems to be to try and get Russia to agree to a "deal" that does nothing but hurt them, and then when Putin inevitably rejects it they can justify escalating the war (in a way that doesn't put NATO boots on the ground - officially). Between Ukraine and Israel, it's hard to tell which conflict is more essential to the machine because I expected us to abandon Ukraine months ago. Biden must have some serious fucking stake in making sure Zelensky doesn't have peace.
It seems the funding for Ukraine has dried up since the GOP will not sacrifice Israel for hohol niggers. As recent talks over the budget have shown. The democrats also want more funding for importing mud people into America illegally as well.

Biden is even working around Congress to supply Israel so Ukraine is fucked.

Hummus and Yemeni goat herders keep dragging Israel into a war so Ukraine loses all hope of funding, is the only way that it seems that hoholistan can die.
 
It seems the funding for Ukraine has dried up since the GOP will not sacrifice Israel for hohol niggers.
This is made worse since EU can't fund Ukraine without Hungary's vote. Either they strip Hungary from their vote causing a shit ton of instability within EU, or they cave in to Victor Orbán's demands of a yearly vote (To prevent EU arbitrarily freezing funds for Hungary every fucking year to protect our democracy) and audits.
 
I will note the French Mutinies were caused due to French Soldiers not wanting to go on pointless offensives that was going to get them killed but they were willing to stay in the trenches in a defensive manner.
The German mutinies were because they were running out of food and there was no reasonable way to win the war.
If Ukraine can stay on the defensive they minimize the chance of mutinies. However I expect to see more surrenders as well. I think the reason you don't see many surrenders is because officers have to be on board to surrender.

Here's the thing, though, Ukraine is metaphorically running out of food. They don't have money to pay pensions and government employees... and their only hope to get more money from the west is to keep doing meme suicide missions that will look good to the average twitter user. So they're really combining the problems of both the French and the Germans.

This is something that has led to the complete destruction of european/german manufactoring industry.
Energy prices continue to be sky high, factories and companies continue to close or migrate to outside of EU.
This is not humiliation but rather a total destruction of the economic future of europe and will have effects that will last decades.

To be fair this was always the plan, the Hoholcaust might have accelerated things a bit, but the EU has been heading towards middle ages feudalism since at least the Lisbon treaty. The energy crisis is entirely self-imposed.
 
There was an article in the US journal Foreign Policy recently that perhaps gives some insight into the expressed ideas that "new technology" or "new tactics" can turn things around in Ukraine and ensure a victory. All of its crazy talk of course. But its interesting at the same time to see what the thinking is.

Their idea is that Ukraine has been winning the "naval" and "air" battles in the conflict. That its just a matter of leveraging Ukraine's advantages in those areas into battlefield success. That Ukraine simply has to concentrate all of its "air" power that made the black sea fleet retreat in an area of the front and then have the Ukrainian Army attack that area with "manuever tactics". The Ukrainian Army will apparently inevitably break through the Russian lines and drive them back to the 1991 borders.

The article suggested Ukraine needs three things to make all this possible:
1) More better drones.
2) Medium range surface to air missles
3) Un-manned Mine clearing equipment.

None of this is likely to make any difference. The missile war against the Black Sea Fleet was a war of very limited numbers of missiles against very large and slow-moving static targets. It doesn't really have any appliciabbility to the ground war in Ukraine at all.

New better surface to air missiles - if they could be deployed - could perhaps force Russian aircraft to stand back further from the front lines, but the Russians already have their own air defense weapons. Nothing about increasing SAM capabilities will give Ukraine air superiority over the front lines.

Un-manned mine clearing equipment would not significantly change anything. It would simply decrease the casualty rate associated with soldiers driving mine clearing equipment. And automated mine clearing equipment is no less costly than the other sort. The vehicles would still be hit by a variety of weapons on the other side and put out of action. The vehicles being put out of action is a much bigger problem than the loss of soldiers doing mine-clearing.

There is a general failure to realize that neither side has been able to conduct a "breakthrough" attack in Ukraine in a long time. That there are no magic NATO tactics that are going to lead to a breakthrough on a strongly held line with deep defenses. That any advantage given to Ukraine in terms of weapons can be countered by the other side. And that "air superiority" in the way these people are thinking about it is not going to happen in Ukraine.
 
This is something that has led to the complete destruction of european/german manufactoring industry.
Energy prices continue to be sky high, factories and companies continue to close or migrate to outside of EU.
This is not humiliation but rather a total destruction of the economic future of europe and will have effects that will last decades.
Sometimes I wonder what is going on there. Making everyone poor really fucking sucks. All that has to happen is a couple actually right leaning parties to go "we will buy Russian gas" and everything will be fixed and whatever political party does that will super popular. And eventually something like that will happen. A lot of these green climate people don't seem to understand that you can't just make everyone poorer and expect that go well. It creates an easy and extremely rewarding political niche for doing something really simple and destroying the climate people.
This is made worse since EU can't fund Ukraine without Hungary's vote. Either they strip Hungary from their vote causing a shit ton of instability within EU, or they cave in to Victor Orbán's demands of a yearly vote (To prevent EU arbitrarily freezing funds for Hungary every fucking year to protect our democracy) and audits.
Hungary is the most interesting member of the EU. I watch them to get a sense of the political shifts within the EU. The reason Hungary is in the EU is because Hungary can siphon off EU funds for economic development. Any politician that doesn't siphon off funds from the EU has a bad chance of being reelected. However the Russian gas thing adds another dimension. If Hungary is forced to choose between cheap Russian gas and EU funds Russian gas is not a bad choice. Even if Hungary never leaves the EU the threat that they can get more out of the EU if the EU tries to force them to give up cheap Russian gas is very useful. Hungary has played this conflict fantastically and I expect them to be in a good position into the future.
 
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Ukraine’s War Effort Is Stuck. This Heroic Battlefield Failure Shows Why.​

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I don't know about anyone else but this makes me wish the war would end right now for all the soldiers, especially hohols, who don't want to be there. War is hell, as Gen Sherman said, and anyone who claims it's heroic can DIAF, preferably by Russian thermobarics.
 
I'm beginning to understand how they elect a Jew president under the patronage of a Jew oligarch while larping as Nazis and pushing ultra-nationalist movements, and smearing themselves with runes while selling their children to pedophiles abroad for a couple thousand dollars—schizophrenia of national magnitude.
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This war is not a war for territory. Russia is one of the largest countries in the world, and it has enough territories of its own. It is a war for values, and these values of the Ukrainian and Russian people have always been different. Tsarist and Soviet propaganda planted the idea of the cradle of three brotherly nations, also told us their versions of history, where we have always been the younger brother.

In reality, we have completely different values and visions of development prospects, and this is what the Russian Federation is fighting against. For these same values, which include freedom, freedom of speech, freedom of the people, the concept of sovereignty, Ukrainians want to be citizens of their country, not subjects or slaves in Russia or any other empire. And this is what this war is about," Chmelik said
"That's why the Shukhevych Museum and the figure of Shukhevych itself, which in the mid-twentieth century was a definite symbol of the armed struggle against the then Soviet Union. No one fought with weapons in their hands anymore, no one in the West. Europe was divided after the Yalta Conference, and everyone accepted the position that Russia imposed on everyone.

Shukhevych is one of the few who led, continued the armed war against the Soviet Union. And that's why this museum was destroyed now, to erase the memory of him, to destroy everything connected with this name"
 
No, no, and no. Chemical weapons are impossible to stop, even now. The best you can really hope for is that the person using them is retarded - and they normally are. Some aspects of MAD apply, and they are rather difficult to actually produce, store and distribute - but there's no immediate "line of defence" against modern chemical weaponry outside of those which can target the distribution - anti-rocket defences, for example.

The masks may be handy, but to my knowledge, nerve gases are a chemical which disrupts nerves themselves. They don't necessarily need to be inhaled, only dissolved into fluids on the surface of the skin. Once it does, it can travel very quickly.

This is why I mentioned the eyes, actually - it's a common misconception that gas masks are for the respiratory factor, but they are just as important in protecting the eyes. When dissolved into the fluids of the eyes, the nerve agent will paralyze the eye muscles, and the muscles surrounding the eyeballs - meaning that although you can still see, you struggle to move your eyes at all in any independent fashion from the rest of your head.



The nightmare scenario, here, is that Ukraine will employ "duster drones" to sweep across Russian positions in a precise, concentrated fashion - citing "legitimate defensive use" and essentially, daring Russia to escalate to a full nuclear assault. All while the West backs it up, saying that WMDs are only illegitimate in a handful of contexts (like tear gas) and that this is a legitimate tactical use.
Ok, I just want to clarify that this is only sort of true. Chemical weapons are NOT unstoppable. Modern MOPP gear is more than well suited to stop any chemical agent, be it Blister, Blood, or Nerve. Of course you have to change out the gear every 24/48 hours and it's not comfortable at all, but it can be stopped. If you have a minimal exposure to a Nerve agent, there are injection pens that will negate its effects-this is minimal exposure. If you have it on your skin, there is a sponge/lotion at least in the US Military that'll clean it from your skin, and with the medication you'll probably live. Just don't use this lotion with chlorine gas or it'll spontaneously combust.
Also, at least in the US Military, there are multiple ways to detect the use of chemical agents before it's effects start killing you, the that space of time is very small, minutes really. I would assume Russia, being one of the premier developers of things like these, would also have tech equivalent.
If AFU truly lost their marbles and began to use chemical weapons against the Russians, it'd be catastrophic. To say that it is unstoppable is just not correct.
Now is the Russian military, with what we know of it's organizational competency and how equipment is handed, currently equipped to deal with mass chemical attacks? Not at all. But there are many things that exist, and have existed for a long time, to enable soldiers to fight and win even in the midst of a cloud of Sarin.
 
I'm beginning to understand how they elect a Jew president under the patronage of a Jew oligarch while larping as Nazis and pushing ultra-nationalist movements, and smearing themselves with runes while selling their children to pedophiles abroad for a couple thousand dollars—schizophrenia of national magnitude.
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That museum is the Shukhevych meseum. Named after Roman Shukhevych who volunteered to fight with the nazis in early 1941 and organized the Nachtigall Battalion. The Nachtigall Battalion worked with the SS Einsatzgruppen killing civilians in 1941. In particular Poles and Jews. He worked closely with German Theodor Oberländer who had advocated the ethnic cleansing of poland long before the war.

He fought in anti-partisan units operating in the soviet union in 1942. Then in 1943 he started a private war against the Poles within the borders of pre-war Poland and he killed alot of them.

He continued to fight Poland and the USSR after the war because he was a war criminal who was not welcome anywhere. He couldn't flee the battlefield like Bandera because there was literally no place he could go.
 
Western "analysts" truly don't understand what' s going on. They look on the front line, see it as mainly static, and from that infer that it's a stalemate. It's a war of attrition, it's Russia slowly exhausting Ukraine to force it to negotiations or either collapse their defense. Whichever happens first.

Because Russia after retreated back to shorten their defensive lines, mobilizing and dug in. Halted Ukrainian big push. Have now enough troops to both attack and defend. So Russian been doing small offensives from different directions. This strategy ties all Ukrainian resources and top of that this offensives still drain more Ukrainians forces then Russian ones.

When they do encircle Ukrainians they do pour more troops . But bulk of the mobilized troops was held back and trained up and still a good chunk is being held back in reserve.


If Ukrainians and NATO where smart they'd retreat, shorten their own lines and try to bait/hope that Russians stretch themselves thin again.

But that wont happen for obvious reasons. Instead they send raw "mobilized" troops into Russian meat grinder. I suspect they will do so until the run out of troops to send.
 
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The entire "alliance" is fraudulent and there's no actual unity within it. "Russia bad" isn't worth the sacrifice.
NATO post 1991 is basically an organization in search of a mission. Yes, having it on hand was very helpful to invoke Article 5 and have allies with us to go into Afghanistan on a punitive expedition against al-Qaeda and their Taliban hosts (and which we then proceeded to dick around to do fuck all for 20 years, but that's beside the point). However I'm sure even if there had been no NATO in 2001, most if not all of the countries in Europe would've gladly joined us in the fight due to our long history and shared interest in eliminating a hostile trans-national terrorist organization and the warlords allied with them.
Missiles that will reach Russia won't help them win the war. They just want to kill a bunch of Russian civilians as a fuck you before being forced to surrender by NATO.
As the Belgorod attack shows, they're vindictive fucks that care more about symbolic "victories" against a hated ethnic outgroup than accomplishing anything of military value.
I'm beginning to understand how they elect a Jew president under the patronage of a Jew oligarch while larping as Nazis and pushing ultra-nationalist movements, and smearing themselves with runes while selling their children to pedophiles abroad for a couple thousand dollars—schizophrenia of national magnitude.
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Considering all the self-destructive behavior your Bandera-worship has caused, eradicating the cult centered around this Nazi-collaborator fuck probably would be the best means to ensure any kind of long-term peace for Ukraine and ensure it actually manages to survive as a nation.
 
Yeah, that seems fake. A single guy handing out forms? The supposed Ukrainian just stands there and lets him instead of laughing in his face and walking away? The dude says "don't tape me" twice, but otherwise doesn't lift a finger to try and get the camera off him?
Yeah.

You'd think the Poles would be helping black bag these guys.
 
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NATO post 1991 is basically an organization in search of a mission.
NATO post cold war is a pretty simple exchange; USA heavily subsidies Euro defense, in exchange the USA gets to deep dick Euro foreign policy.

The Euros were dumb enough to consent because they thought USA fp would almost always line up with theirs... plus all the money they saved on defense made it easier to buy votes.
 
I'm beginning to understand how they elect a Jew president under the patronage of a Jew oligarch while larping as Nazis and pushing ultra-nationalist movements, and smearing themselves with runes while selling their children to pedophiles abroad for a couple thousand dollars—schizophrenia of national magnitude.
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Democrats supporting these retarded neggervolk make the GOP support for Israel look highbrow.
 
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