GPUs & CPUs & Enthusiast hardware: Questions, Discussion and fanboy slap-fights - Nvidia & AMD & Intel - Separe but Equal. Intel rides in the back of the bus.

i managed to go 10 years with an rx¿7260x and the 590. i will be fine
it really depends what games you wanna play, just like every other use case. reminds me of all the talks from people they need a beefy rig and then only play starcraft and CS...

that being said I'm fine with FSR too, but it highly depends on the game and the implementation. in some it's very obvious, in others even 1.0 is still good enough compared to the performance you gain.
 
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I share some similar angst with the google Coral stuff. While there is some support and documentation for installing and using Coral TPUs, it appears Google doesn't care about maintaining it regularly. When I went to add the google repos in my Debian server, they all returned errors of some sort. I forget what exactly. It was a gpg key or repo link itself was not found. I had to dig through some forum posts for the correct links to get it installed. Bad first impression. Additionally, the Coral drivers use an older version of python so it makes initial setup slightly more annoying if you're not using containers.
I'm constantly amazed at how this stuff is all just garbage.
Oh, you want "edgetpu_compiler" "x86_64 only", fuck you, my Pi has more RAM and CPU than many of my x86 boxes.

Oh, sorry, you can't use the newest tflite-runtime, you need an old version.
What's that, you want an older tflite-runtime, python 3.9 only.

You know what, fuck that. I got the Chinese ARM accelerated NCNN down to 600mS... I'm just going to let them have all my data.
Maybe see if there's a nice Chinese RockChip board with some working acceleration.
 
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* As long as you don't want to have working AI any time soon.

There aren't any current-gen NVIDIA GPUs in the $150-$300 price bracket that Arc lives in other than the 4060 8 GB, which is kind of shit for an AI card anyway.
 
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So I'm currently using an i9-9900k and an RTX 3070. I normally go for the mid tier CPUs (i5 or Ryzen5) but the i9 was on a good discount. I'm considering selling the 3070 and getting an AMD GPU for Linux.

My question is basically: Are current mid tier CPUs better than a 9900k, and if they aren't, what AMD card should I go with that wouldn't cause a bottleneck?
 
I'm considering selling the 3070 and getting an AMD GPU for Linux.

I wouldn't until you've tried NVIDIA's drivers to see if they work for you or not.

My question is basically: Are current mid tier CPUs better than a 9900k

Yes. Both a Ryzen 7 7700X and an i7-14700k is quite a bit more powerful, with the Intel CPU winning out.

what AMD card should I go with that wouldn't cause a bottleneck?

What do you mean by this?
 
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getting an AMD GPU for Linux.
are you new to linux? AMD GPUs working flawlessly with linux is mostly just delusional cope by linux cultists, they'll never tell you how many hoops they had to jump through for them to actually work properly or that linux gaming still sucks ass compared to windows

just try linux on your current build before buying a new card
 
linux gaming still sucks ass compared to windows
Maybe 15 years ago. Almost all modern games run perfectly fine, and often better on linux. The most common problem is anti-cheat, like battleey and EAC, in multiplayer games. Those games still run fine, just the anti-cheat is fuck. I personally haven't come across a single game that has given me an issue on linux for like 7 years now, but I don't play f2p pay2win multiplayer trash or gacha games with garbage anti-cheat.
 
so you're telling me that desktop linux has been completely fixed since the last time i gave it a chance about 1.5-2 years ago? was told the exact same thing back then
Man, I don't know what hardware you're using, what distro you installed, how you installed or config'd your machine but there's plenty of retard friendly options that you can install on modern metal that will work out of the box. If your computer has hardware that fits between the recommended specs of most games you should be able to install linux and lutris and play vidya and use your computer like a normal person without issue. The explosion of handheld devices like the steamdeck, which run linux, have certainly helped gaming on linux as a whole in the last couple years however.
 
I don't know what hardware you're using, what distro you installed, how you installed or config'd your machine
was using an R7 2700 + RX 460 back then, tried many different distros and half of them wouldn't even display anything unless i added nomodeset to the boot parameters
gave up on the distros that did work once i saw that every game i cared about had constant stuttering no matter what settings i used
 
1.5-2 years ago that was a 6 year old budget GPU which would struggle to hit 40-50 FPS in low settings in modern games on windows, so I'm not surprised. However if you installed amd-gpu drivers and mesa you should have had no problems using it normally, without using nomodeset in grub and been able to play anything it could handle normally. (linux mint probably would've configured it correctly by default in 2021-22, though I'm not sure)
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would struggle to hit 40-50 FPS in 1080p on low in modern games on windows, so I'm not surprised.
the issue here is that the games ran perfectly on windows but had garbage performance on linux
also, it was using a modded bios with unlocked shaders and a decent overclock so it was more of an overclocked 560 than a 460
if you installed amd-gpu drivers and mesa
was always told that AMD drivers are already baked into the kernel or whatever and that i should not bother downloading them but okay
 
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As of Meteor Lake, it's really a toss-up between Intel and AMD on the iGPU front. Anything previously, AMD is a lot better.
I would say that for the AMD CPUs with Vega graphics, which they still are selling for some reason and will be in a lot of fairly recent laptops up for sale, they generally just match the better offerings of Intel's Xe IGPUs.

was always told that AMD drivers are already baked into the kernel or whatever and that i should not bother downloading them but okay
They are, the only thing you might update for gaming is manually going for more cutting edge Mesa drivers.
 
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would say that for the AMD CPUs with Vega graphics, which they still are selling for some reason and will be in a lot of fairly recent laptops up for sale, they generally just match the better offerings of Intel's Xe IGPUs
I will say, Intel's Xe's graphics, the one in my laptop... aren't bad actually. My laptop is a shitbox, but if you load something older on it, it runs it pretty good. Dawn of War 1 runs great
 
so you're telling me that desktop linux has been completely fixed since the last time i gave it a chance about 1.5-2 years ago? was told the exact same thing back then

No, what he means is that the games he plays work, except when they don't, and he's never had a problem, except when he does, but the problems he's had are insignificant, and the games he doesn't play are stupid anyway. Some of the games that reportedly don't work on Linux (I'm just looking online for games whose anti-cheat blocks Linux) include Fortnite, Call of Duty, Valorant, Destiny, Dead By Daylight, Red Dead Redemption 2, Escape from Tarkov, and Halo.

But all modern games work flawlessly!
 
There aren't any current-gen NVIDIA GPUs in the $150-$300 price bracket that Arc lives in other than the 4060 8 GB, which is kind of shit for an AI card anyway.
Yeah. I'll admit I'm looking at the 4060 8gb because it's cheap, but I also know 8gb is shrinking in terms of what it can do FAST. Still 8gb of ram would be the most ram I've EVER had on a card lol.

Nvidia is a scrooge when it comes to ram and I don't know why other than they're assholes, as has been mentioned PLENTY on this thread. Intel has clearly shown you can sell ram cheaply on a card, so I guess Nvidia just wants a premium.
No, what he means is that the games he plays work, except when they don't, and he's never had a problem, except when he does, but the problems he's had are insignificant, and the games he doesn't play are stupid anyway. Some of the games that reportedly don't work on Linux (I'm just looking online for games whose anti-cheat blocks Linux) include Fortnite, Call of Duty, Valorant, Destiny, Dead By Daylight, Red Dead Redemption 2, Escape from Tarkov, and Halo.

But all modern games work flawlessly!
And this is why Windows 11 will be my OS and why I don't plan on changing it on my laptop lol
 
Yeah. I'll admit I'm looking at the 4060 8gb because it's cheap, but I also know 8gb is shrinking in terms of what it can do FAST.

8 GB is rapidly becoming sneered at by Internet chatterers, which is different. It's going to be 5-7 years before games require more than that. What people forget is that game publishers need to make money, and if you exclude a huge chunk of the market because having to support old hardware makes you mad, you are just going to lose lots of money.


Nvidia is a scrooge when it comes to ram and I don't know why other than they're assholes, as has been mentioned PLENTY on this thread. Intel has clearly shown you can sell ram cheaply on a card, so I guess Nvidia just wants a premium.

So I looked into this, and what seems to have happened is due to lockdown-induced chip shortages, the price of DRAM skyrocketed, with GDDR6X being particularly badly affected. GeForce 40 series was announced in 2022, meaning its design had been locked in no later than Q4 2021. I feel pretty certain that they had to make some cuts to stay under budget.

You wouldn't put an RTX 4090 with a ryzen 3600, because the GPU would never be utilized entirely. I'm asking what AMD card would be at the right power level for my 9900k.

Oh, ok, you meant you don't want the CPU to be the bottleneck. In that case, any of them. Those CPUs are so fast there's not a GPU on the market that can outrun them in games.
 
8 GB is rapidly becoming sneered at by Internet chatterers, which is different. It's going to be 5-7 years before games require more than that. What people forget is that game publishers need to make money, and if you exclude a huge chunk of the market because having to support old hardware makes you mad, you are just going to lose lots of money.
To be fair, that's why I haven't completely dropped it either. Even 2gb of VRAM will still run a lot of games still. Cards like the 1030 still sell for budget rigs. On newer titles, it just means you'll have to accept you won't get 8k 500 frames a second, a great loss, I know.
So I looked into this, and what seems to have happened is due to lockdown-induced chip shortages, the price of DRAM skyrocketed, with GDDR6X being particularly badly affected. GeForce 40 series was announced in 2022, meaning its design had been locked in no later than Q4 2024. I feel pretty certain that they had to make some cuts to stay under budget
Now that makes sense. The chip shortages would have affected their design decisions a ton. Newer cards don't have that issue. I will say with the GDDR6X thing, they could have just gone with slightly slower ram, but I also get Nvidia as well.
 
Now that makes sense. The chip shortages would have affected their design decisions a ton. Newer cards don't have that issue. I will say with the GDDR6X thing, they could have just gone with slightly slower ram, but I also get Nvidia as well.

Changing the type of memory you use means a significant, very expensive redesign and potential delays. They'd already used GDDR6X in the high-end 30 series cards, so the decision to use is in the next gen was probably made before the lockdowns were even announced. I wonder if the lockdowns affected constraints on the size of the I/O unit, which is why it has less bandwidth than the 3070 Ti.
 
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