GPUs & CPUs & Enthusiast hardware: Questions, Discussion and fanboy slap-fights - Nvidia & AMD & Intel - Separe but Equal. Intel rides in the back of the bus.

[Stalphos Johnson]

1.5-2 years ago that was a 6 year old budget GPU which would struggle to hit 40-50 FPS in low settings in modern games on windows, so I'm not surprised. However if you installed amd-gpu drivers and mesa you should have had no problems using it normally, without using nomodeset in grub and been able to play anything it could handle normally. (linux mint probably would've configured it correctly by default in 2021-22, though I'm not sure)
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Linux Mint works well with old hardware but it and some stable distros have issues with newer hardware. I had to upgrade my kernel from 5.15 to 6.5 on Mint 21.2 to get my 7800xt working. While troubleshooting other issues with it on Mint, I did find a lot of issues with older AMD cards using Radeon drivers vs AMDGPU drivers by default on Linux. I did have good results with the proprietary Nvidia drivers on Mint 21.1, but this was on 10- series GPUs. Funnily enough, I had the exact opposite experience on Windows 10 with Nvidia drivers giving me random crashes, stuttering, and poor performance.

In all honesty, I wouldn't call Linux a better experience than Windows, just different. I had a ton of problems with Windows 10, and Windows 11 looking even worse made me make the jump to Linux. Now I have a new set of problems exclusive to Linux. I like how Linux does things more than Windows for the most part, and I'm able to get the vast majority of what I want done on Linux without issues. But I had to toubleshoot ROCM issues for AI, I need to change Proton settings and launch options for most modern games, and there are a few games that just won't run despite Valve putting pressure on these companies for Steam Deck support. Linux distros have improved a lot over the last couple years, and Linux gaming is completely doable if you're willing to miss a couple games and you're willing to troubleshoot. Even than, that list keeps shrinking. I've seen games like World of Warships go from barely working to working perfectly with minor tweaks over a couple months. Windows will still give you a more seamless gaming experience, but new developments are making that gap smaller.

 

[Susanna]

No, what he means is that the games he plays work, except when they don't, and he's never had a problem, except when he does, but the problems he's had are insignificant, and the games he doesn't play are stupid anyway. Some of the games that reportedly don't work on Linux (I'm just looking online for games whose anti-cheat blocks Linux) include Fortnite, Call of Duty, Valorant, Destiny, Dead By Daylight, Red Dead Redemption 2, Escape from Tarkov, and Halo.

But all modern games work flawlessly!

I'm on the Linux side of this debate, and I don't play any of those games. I don't even know what half of them are. I think, for a lot of linux gamers, what we prefer leans more toward RPGs, strategy, 4X etc. Which is probably more compatible with Linux systems than first person shooters and whatever Fortnight is.

From personal experience, I also have way less problems with Linux. I absolutely suck at Windows, because I only ever use it when I have no alternative, such as with Solidworks. If you mostly use Windows, of course you're going to find that easier to use and fix.

Cards like the 1030 still sell for budget rigs

Just buy something with a decent iGPU. Ie a reasonably new laptop, or AMD's xxxxG processors. Don't pay money for a GTX1030.

 

[ZMOT]

And this is why Windows 11 will be my OS and why I don't plan on changing it on my laptop lol

it's not like you could dualboot or anything...

the point is moot anyway since the operation system, like any piece of software is a tool for a specific purpose and always depends on cost/benefit. valorant not running on linux means fuck all for anyone not playing valorant in the first place. it's the same retarded argument as "linux sucks because not EVERY game works on it", because apparently everyone plays every pc game of the last 40+ decades...

otoh anyone who doesn't notice the obvious dumb hyperbole going from "Almost all modern games run perfectly fine, and often better on linux. The most common problem is anti-cheat, like battleey and EAC, in multiplayer games." to "But all modern games work flawlessly!" should probably stick with windows 11...

 

[The Ugly One]

otoh anyone who doesn't notice the obvious dumb hyperbole going from "Almost all modern games run perfectly fine, and often better on linux. The most common problem is anti-cheat, like battleey and EAC, in multiplayer games." to "But all modern games work flawlessly!" probably should stick with windows 11...

"Almost all modern games work flawlessly on Linux and often better than Windows" when some of the most massive IPs in the industry, like Fortnite and COD, do not work, and many more games require a fair amount of tinkering to get them running, isn't "hyperbole," it's just bullshit people say when they care more about getting people to join a cult than giving them useful computer advice.

If he wasn't bullshitting people, he'd say something like, "Linux isn't Windows, and trying to run Windows software on it requires the use of compatibility software that isn't supported by Microsoft and actively blocked by a number of large, mainstream software companies. We're talking major stuff like Photoshop and Call of Duty. The software that does work often requires manual configuration to get it working. Lots of Linux users end up needing a Windows partition anyway to do their work or play games they like. The only operating system that reliably runs Windows software is Windows, and you shouldn't expect anything different."

 

[DavidS877]

The only operating system that reliably runs Windows software is Windows, and you shouldn't expect anything different.

Come on, we all know THAT isn't true.
No operating system reliably runs Windows software.

 

[Leaded Gasoline]

gold star for linux mint, it actually has video output on my RX 460 this time around

still disqualified as a windows alternative in my eyes due to it not properly recognizing my displayport to VGA adapter by default

I'm on the Linux side of this debate, and I don't play any of those games. I don't even know what half of them are. I think, for a lot of linux gamers, what we prefer leans more toward RPGs, strategy, 4X etc. Which is probably more compatible with Linux systems than first person shooters and whatever Fortnight is.

 

[DavidS877]

You know what, fuck that. I got the Chinese ARM accelerated NCNN down to 600mS... I'm just going to let them have all my data.
Maybe see if there's a nice Chinese RockChip board with some working acceleration.

And, of course, that didn't work, the Chinese NCNN apparently didn't leave the filtering layer so it would multiply detect things... CAR CAR CAR CAR when there was only one. I could add the filtering back in code but that would probably slow it down.

So, the final solution was ONNX, which with YOLOv8m(medium) was running 1 second or so. I switched to v8s(small) which got me back to about 0.5 second, and according to benchmarks should be as accurate as the v5m I used to run.

The good news is the new install has about 300 less random Python libraries than the previous one, so that's a win I guess.

Maybe someday this stuff will suck less and I can move to an accelerator or better optimized CPU algorithms.

 

[The Ugly One]

I'm on the Linux side of this debate, and I don't play any of those games. I don't even know what half of them are.

Well, if anyone here thought you were actually a dude, your inability to immediately recognize all the most popular shoot-man-in-face games would dispel those doubts.

 

[Susanna]

Well, if anyone here thought you were actually a dude, your inability to immediately recognize all the most popular shoot-man-in-face games would dispel those doubts.

Well, I know Fortnight, Call of Duty, Red Dead Redemption 2, and Halo. I’ve only played RDR2 though. If you want me to re-seed those doubts, I could point out that I’m a long-time D&D player and some-time DM.
It’s not that I’ve an aversion to shooting people in the face games, I quite like things like Fallout 4 and Mass Effect, it’s just that I find anything with competitive multiplayer awful, at least when it’s more than like three people or not irl. I’ll play DOS2 or BG3 with my friends all day, love those games, and I’m pretty good at chess.

gold star for linux mint, it actually has video output on my RX 460 this time around

still disqualified as a windows alternative in my eyes due to it not properly recognizing my displayport to VGA adapter by default
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I didn’t mean it like that. More that if you’re nerdy enough to learn Linux, you’re probably nerdy enough to prefer wasting a Saturday night playing Civilization or Stellaris alone over doing a Counterstrike raid with your clan.

 

[The Ugly One]

I could point out that I’m a long-time D&D player and some-time DM.

No dice, there's always at least one actual female (not the girldick having kind) at my table.

 

[Leaded Gasoline]

I didn’t mean it like that.

honestly hard to believe when

More that if you’re nerdy enough to learn Linux

with just the following 10 words, you accuse the users that run into issues of being ignorant about linux as well as imply that they're not nerdy (smart) enough to get it

 

[WelperHelper99]

Just buy something with a decent iGPU. Ie a reasonably new laptop, or AMD's xxxxG processors. Don't pay money for a GTX1030

When I built my dad's rig way back, we put a EVGA 1030 in. Surprisingly not terrible. It worked if you were willing to accept compromise. He's a cheapskate, so it was that or nothing. I wouldn't do it today, but I'm just saying, if you're in a bind and your rig is a absolute budget build, a 1030 isn't the worst you could go for.

As for me, a 4060 8gb is what I'm going for MINIMUM. Im not that cheap.

 

[WelperHelper99]

"Almost all modern games work flawlessly on Linux and often better than Windows" when some of the most massive IPs in the industry, like Fortnite and COD, do not work, and many more games require a fair amount of tinkering to get them running, isn't "hyperbole," it's just bullshit people say when they care more about getting people to join a cult than giving them useful computer advice.

If he wasn't bullshitting people, he'd say something like, "Linux isn't Windows, and trying to run Windows software on it requires the use of compatibility software that isn't supported by Microsoft and actively blocked by a number of large, mainstream software companies. We're talking major stuff like Photoshop and Call of Duty. The software that does work often requires manual configuration to get it working. Lots of Linux users end up needing a Windows partition anyway to do their work or play games they like. The only operating system that reliably runs Windows software is Windows, and you shouldn't expect anything different."

Shameless double post. This is why I'm not interested in Linux. Ever. I'm not a software guy. In fact most people aren't. When I plug in my OS and set it up the first time, I expect that bitch to run. I'm willing to accept it's not pure perfection. I'm NOT willing to accept shit like drivers and THE most popular games refusing to work without fucking with the system so much that I'm basically just running a shell of windows to play a dumb game, or worse, photoshop

 

[Susanna]

honestly hard to believe when

with just the following 10 words, you accuse the users that run into issues of being ignorant about linux as well as imply that they're not nerdy (smart) enough to get it

You’re the one reading this implication into my words, I assure you it isn’t there, at least not intentionally. I’m a Linux user who is utterly ignorant about anything that isn’t MacOS or Linux. I run into problems with Windows all the time and find it super frustrating to use, in much the same way I assume Windows users feel about Linux. I’m not saying I’m inherently more intelligent because I play Civ V and use Linux, just that I prefer a much slower paced type of game and an operating system I understand. There are plenty of Windows users smarter than me in this thread. Most of them even, probably.

Shameless double post. This is why I'm not interested in Linux. Ever. I'm not a software guy. In fact most people aren't. When I plug in my OS and set it up the first time, I expect that bitch to run. I'm willing to accept it's not pure perfection. I'm NOT willing to accept shit like drivers and THE most popular games refusing to work without fucking with the system so much that I'm basically just running a shell of windows to play a dumb game, or worse, photoshop

Yeah. I encourage gaming on Linux and Steam Deck and whatever, because it means more options will be available in the future, benefiting everyone, but if the games you want to play aren’t compatible with it, then obviously it’s not a good idea, nor is it worth bothering with if you simply prefer Windows. Because I always run into some sort of issue with Windows, I stick to Linux as far as I can, and for basically all the games I play, it works fine and steam proton makes it as smooth an experience as gaming on Windows (where I run into constant driver issues, or crashing, or I have to install all kinds of weird third party software to get basic features like Keep Above windows), but obviously if you want to play the games that don’t work on Linux, you’re probably better off using Windows even though it breaks all the time and you have to manually install drivers you download manually because the built-in package manager breaks the driver configuration tool if you allow it to update the drivers for some incomprehensible reason.

When I built my dad's rig way back, we put a EVGA 1030 in. Surprisingly not terrible. It worked if you were willing to accept compromise. He's a cheapskate, so it was that or nothing. I wouldn't do it today, but I'm just saying, if you're in a bind and your rig is a absolute budget build, a 1030 isn't the worst you could go for.

As for me, a 4060 8gb is what I'm going for MINIMUM. Im not that cheap.

It had its place back in the day, but today iGPUs outmatch it in both performance and price.

 

[WelperHelper99]

. I encourage gaming on Linux and Steam Deck and whatever, because it means more options will be available in the future, benefiting everyone, but if the games you want to play aren’t compatible with it, then obviously it’s not a good idea, nor is it worth bothering with if you simply prefer Windows. Because I always run into some sort of issue with Windows, I stick to Linux as far as I can, and for basically all the games I play, it works fine and steam proton makes it as smooth an experience as gaming on Windows (where I run into constant driver issues, or crashing, or I have to install all kinds of weird third party software to get basic features like Keep Above windows), but obviously if you want to play the games that don’t work on Linux, you’re probably better off using Windows even though it breaks all the time and you have to manually install drivers you download manually because the built-in package manager breaks the driver configuration tool if you allow it to update the drivers for some incomprehensible reason.

Thing is I haven't noticed many problems with modern windows. Its a ram hog, yes, but generally, I download a game, and it just runs with little to no tinkering. Never had that driver problem. Really if you aren't a power user, windows is fine and should run most things in my experience.

had its place back in the day, but today iGPUs outmatch it in both performance and price

Oh modern iGPU's run laps around the old 1030. I just have fond memories of it. It preformed well above its weight and gave me lots of fun when I was young.

 

[seri0us]

Thing is I haven't noticed many problems with modern windows. Its a ram hog, yes, but generally, I download a game, and it just runs with little to no tinkering. Never had that driver problem. Really if you aren't a power user, windows is fine and should run most things in my experience.

Endless telemetry/spyware was my last straw. Since then I've heard every June there's in-OS promotion of Godless sodomites

 

[Lone Wandering Courier]

I don't get why so many kiwis don't at the very least dual-boot with linux. Maybe being a farmer won't get you in trouble now, but with the ways things are going it will eventually be a problem. Using an OS that doesn't spy on you is a good start for protecting yourself when that happens. None of us linux users are trying to take away your Windows install, some of us are just suggesting that people have an open mind.

 

[Leaded Gasoline]

I don't get why so many kiwis don't at the very least dual-boot with linux.

remember when the site went tor only for a month last year and the number of active users was cut in half?
hoping that people would bother with dual booting when they don't even care enough to install another browser is quite optimistic

Maybe being a farmer won't get you in trouble now, but with the ways things are going it will eventually be a problem. Using an OS that doesn't spy on you is a good start for protecting yourself when that happens.

do you trust the trannies maintaining your OS more than the feds who spy on us all? i have seen too much shit on the open source software community thread for that
also, what should we do when it's the hardware that spies on us? every intel CPU after socket 775 has jewish backdoors and AMD did the same after AM3+

some of us are just suggesting that people have an open mind.

linux users are the ones who throw autistic bitch fits every time someone makes the astoundingly sensible suggestion of just copy windows

 

[The Ugly One]

Using an OS that doesn't spy on you is a good start for protecting yourself when that happens.

What kind of phone do you have?

 

[Peaches the Wonder Cat]

What kind of phone do you have?

Graphene is pretty good now. It even supports Android Auto if you really want it.