2023 Israel-Palestine Armed Conflict

The IDF spokesman released an image of Hamza Dahdouh's name and military number in a Palestinian Islamic Jihad document listing members of their electronic engineering section. Before his (hopefully painful) demise, he was the head of rocket operations in one of their sectors:
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Hopefully many of his colleagues and his fat fuck of a father meet him in hell soon.
 
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The IDF spokesman released an image of Hamza Dahdouh's name and military number in a Palestinian Islamic Jihad document listing members of their electronic engineering section. Before his (hopefully painful) demise, he was the head of rocket operations in one of their sectors:
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Hopefully many of his colleagues and his fat fuck of a father meet him in hell soon.
Womp wompppp. Wonder if or when they’ll release any info on the dad. I know he was imprisoned for like 7 years for involvement in the intifada but I couldn’t find any of his charges online.

Here’s the full IDF statement from their Telegram for anyone who’s curious:

IDF: Hamza al-Dahdouh and Mustafa Thuria Identified as Gaza terror operatives

Recently (7.1.2024), IDF troops detected a hostile drone near Rafah, an immediate threat to nearby soldiers. An IAF aircraft was dispatched to target the drone's operators. Subsequently, Palestinian media reported the deaths of journalists Hamza al-Dahdouh and Mustafa Thuria during this strike.
However, IDF intelligence has confirmed that both the deceased were members of Gaza-based terrorist organizations actively involved in attacks against IDF forces.
Prior to the strike, the two operated drones, posing an imminent threat to IDF troops.
Mustafa Thuria, identified in a document found by IDF troops in Gaza, was a member of Hamas' Gaza City Brigade, serving as Squad Deputy Commander in the al-Qadisiyyah Battalion.
Hamza Wael al-Dahdouh, is an Islamic Jihad terrorist, and was involved in the organization’s terrorist activities. Documents found by IDF troops in the Gaza Strip reveal his role in the Islamic Jihad's electronic engineering unit and his previous role as a deputy commander in the Zeitun Battalion's Rocket Array.
Attached is a copy of the document featuring a list of operatives from the electronic engineering unit of the Islamic Jihad terrorist organization, including al-Dahdouh and his military number:

 
Anyone following South Africa bringing a charge of Israel enacting genocide to the International Court of Justice?

I’ve been listening to the South Africa’s opening statements as well as Israel’s response. South Africa brings up the appalling conditions that Palestinians currently face and argue that the lack of humanitarian aid and continued deaths from Israeli attacks, lack of food and healthcare are evidence of genocide. They also point out some of the language that Israeli officials have used in the conflict, such as Netanyahu referring to the Amalekites (a group that Jews are, by Jewish law, supposed to wipe out) in a speech to Israeli soldiers.

Israel’s response has been to argue that Israel has been assisting in humanitarian aid, bringing up October 7th, and the legality of Israel’s actions in their fight against Hamas.

I’m interesting in seeing how this unfolds but I do not see South Africa having strong claims. Israel is committing atrocities and the Palestinians are suffering but I fail to see genocidal intent. Israel just doesn’t care about the Palestinians. They want to destroy Hamas, find the hostages, and as far as I can see, little else.
 
Israel is committing atrocities and the Palestinians are suffering but I fail to see genocidal intent. Israel just doesn’t care about the Palestinians. They want to destroy Hamas, find the hostages, and as far as I can see, little else.
That was one of the dumbest sentences I've read on this site.
So if Serbs did not care about Bosnians and just wanted to destroy the Muslim insurgents, it means that Srebrenica was not a genocide?
 
That was one of the dumbest sentences I've read on this site.
So if Serbs did not care about Bosnians and just wanted to destroy the Muslim insurgents, it means that Srebrenica was not a genocide?
No. What I mean is that Israel doesn’t care about what happens to the Palestinians as a result of their actions. When Israel blows up a building that they’ve determined is a target, they tell the people in the building that it will be bombed, but they do not go out of their way to ensure no civilian is in the building when it is bombed.

I see a difference between that and simply bombing the building without any warning. It would be Israel going out of its way to maximize Palestinian casualties, which would be genocidal.
 
iirc they quit "knocking" very early into this
still, it was neat to see it actually happen on the live cams before they stopped, tbh I didn't quite believe it was real
It appears that Israel did so under the justification that they already called for mass evacuations. While that will probably be argued as a prior warning, I can’t see it as such. People need to be directly alerted to immediate harm.

Fucking hell, Netanyahu, why? Damn it, I did not need the moral dilemma of the Jewish State being genocidal as a Jew. Here’s to grappling with that for the next few days.
 
It appears that Israel did so under the justification that they already called for mass evacuations. While that will probably be argued as a prior warning, I can’t see it as such. People need to be directly alerted to immediate harm.

Fucking hell, Netanyahu, why? Damn it, I did not need the moral dilemma of the Jewish State being genocidal as a Jew. Here’s to grappling with that for the next few days.
Nothing to grapple with in my mind - Goes a layer deeper is all. The citizenry of Gaza never once acted against Hamas. Never attempted to remove them, overthrow them, fight them, or report their activities - The latter is pretty obvious by Israel`s relative intelligence deficiencies on Hamas positions going into this. In many cases, these people benefited from and even profited from supporting and hiding these people.

Would stopping them have been easy? No, of course not, it would have been a violent hell as you're dealing with an insurgency that doesn't value your lives as anything more than propaganda. But there was a choice to stay there knowing they are little more than a living shield to a terrorist organization. A choice to recognize that there was an arms cache being built up under your feet and to fucking leave. But these people didn't do anything to help themselves. They chose to ignore, tolerate or even support the terrorist organization. And now the hammers come down, and they're caught in the middle of the shit storm they condoned? This is the consequence of their own decisions and inaction. And crying about it won't change that.

Doesn't make the bloodshed acceptable or desirable, but it does make it expected and understood. They're not losing their homes and lives because of events that could never have been foreseen by a reasonable person.
 
iirc they quit "knocking" very early into this
still, it was neat to see it actually happen on the live cams before they stopped, tbh I didn't quite believe it was real

I'm guessing the roof knocking stopped when troops entered Gaza. The Israelis are not going to want to prolong an artillery/airstrike on a structure directly threatening their troops, nor will they reserve aircraft to fly around with knock knock bombs as payloads when they might be the closest aircraft needing to provide proper support.

The evac orders for specific areas that the IDF are carrying out, or are planning combat operations were the replacement action.
 
It appears that Israel did so under the justification that they already called for mass evacuations. While that will probably be argued as a prior warning, I can’t see it as such. People need to be directly alerted to immediate harm.

Fucking hell, Netanyahu, why? Damn it, I did not need the moral dilemma of the Jewish State being genocidal as a Jew. Here’s to grappling with that for the next few days.
Israel has dropped more than 25,000 tons of explosives to date Source, for a total kill count of just over 23,000 people Source.
It's a super shitty genocide when it takes you over a ton of H.E. to kill a single person in a densely populated area.

I'm pretty sure they do better with machetes in Africa, than Israel does with modern weapons.
 
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Nothing to grapple with in my mind - Goes a layer deeper is all. The citizenry of Gaza never once acted against Hamas. Never attempted to remove them, overthrow them, fight them, or report their activities - The latter is pretty obvious by Israel`s relative intelligence deficiencies on Hamas positions going into this. In many cases, these people benefited from and even profited from supporting and hiding these people.
I oscillate between accepting the inevitability of the violence and lamenting it. For as much as Palestinians may collaborate with Hamas, how much can you blame them? It’s a martyrdom culture there and every Israeli bombardment fuels that culture. How is leaving Gaza in ruins going to convince Gazans to reject militant extremism as their political route?
 
Nothing to grapple with in my mind - Goes a layer deeper is all. The citizenry of Gaza never once acted against Hamas. Never attempted to remove them, overthrow them, fight them, or report their activities - The latter is pretty obvious by Israel`s relative intelligence deficiencies on Hamas positions going into this. In many cases, these people benefited from and even profited from supporting and hiding these people.

Would stopping them have been easy? No, of course not, it would have been a violent hell as you're dealing with an insurgency that doesn't value your lives as anything more than propaganda. But there was a choice to stay there knowing they are little more than a living shield to a terrorist organization. A choice to recognize that there was an arms cache being built up under your feet and to fucking leave. But these people didn't do anything to help themselves. They chose to ignore, tolerate or even support the terrorist organization. And now the hammers come down, and they're caught in the middle of the shit storm they condoned? This is the consequence of their own decisions and inaction. And crying about it won't change that.

Doesn't make the bloodshed acceptable or desirable, but it does make it expected and understood. They're not losing their homes and lives because of events that could never have been foreseen by a reasonable person.
Literally the exact same logic Osama Bin Laden used to justify 9/11

The US is a democracy. Americans vote for politicians who bomb the ME. Thus killing American citizens is 100% justified.
 
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