Off-Topic Losing people to transgenderism support thread - Support group for trans widows and other people who lost loved ones to troonism

Remembered another person I knew who's gone non binary - another former classmate, this girl was a straight A student, wise beyond her years, in a bunch of extracurricular activities, not super popular but if anyone picked on her she knew how to stand up for herself. She ended up moving overseas with her family and kept in touch on social media, fast forward several years and she's moved back home and made a post announcing a new gender, name and pronouns. Cut off all her hair, wears a binder.

Of all the people from my graduating class to fall for the cult I wouldn't have expected it'd be her. Though there might be something else going on that I'm totally unaware of, something could've happened while she was living abroad.
Seems to be a common thing, my ex clasmate who went troon had an extremely similar background, and on top of that I was constantly being compared to him because he always had the highest grades and he wanted to get a doctorate and shit like that and "you are so smart too but so lazy gurl don't go dumb pls study more like your fren you should be more like him". Meanwhile the ex classmates that actually showed some potential red flags and acted like closeted faggots are still "cis".
What a fucking waste, having all those smarts and everyone supporting you then going to uni and throwing them out for groom, coom and mutilations, because that's what "gender confirmation surgeries" are. I seriously hope he hasn't gotten the amhole yet, because when he does, the only thing he'll be looking forward to is an heroing, and he can't say no one told him HWNBAW.
 
A little bit off topic, but this is the kinda the only place I can get my asspats advice. My family is kinda fucked up. For siblings I have a heroin addict, a carpet munching groomer , and a pooner. I had cut them out of my life and hadn't seen them in years, up until my wedding two years ago; where my parents helpfully invited them. Thank God my wife knew getting into this my family was fucked up and she managed to keep them far the fuck away from me. I haven't seen nor heard from them since.

I recently found out my Christmas snu-snu was successful! But I am stuck trying to find a way to tell my folks that the carpet muncher and the pooner will only see my child over my dead body, if then. Hell I'd rather the kid interact with the heroin addict. At least they're self-aware that their a fuck up, and them being 27 and looking 48 should send some kinda of message.

I am really hesitant to tell them at all, but that would be douchy to not tell them. Not only to my folks, but the kid. IDK, R.N I am just kinda hoping the pooner 41 percents in the next 8 or so months. Sadly my family is geographcally close, and I am not giving up a cushy well paying job to get away from them. Thoughts, prayers, and advice are appreciated Kiwi-friends.
 
A little bit off topic, but this is the kinda the only place I can get my asspats advice. My family is kinda fucked up. For siblings I have a heroin addict, a carpet munching groomer , and a pooner. I had cut them out of my life and hadn't seen them in years, up until my wedding two years ago; where my parents helpfully invited them. Thank God my wife knew getting into this my family was fucked up and she managed to keep them far the fuck away from me. I haven't seen nor heard from them since.

I recently found out my Christmas snu-snu was successful! But I am stuck trying to find a way to tell my folks that the carpet muncher and the pooner will only see my child over my dead body, if then. Hell I'd rather the kid interact with the heroin addict. At least they're self-aware that their a fuck up, and them being 27 and looking 48 should send some kinda of message.

I am really hesitant to tell them at all, but that would be douchy to not tell them. Not only to my folks, but the kid. IDK, R.N I am just kinda hoping the pooner 41 percents in the next 8 or so months. Sadly my family is geographcally close, and I am not giving up a cushy well paying job to get away from them. Thoughts, prayers, and advice are appreciated Kiwi-friends.
Fuck it, mate, it's your kid. Their way of raising kids clearly has a 75% failure rate, I wouldn't take parenting advice from them at all nor would I be especially concerned with pissing them off. Do what ya gotta to protect your household.
 
A little bit off topic, but this is the kinda the only place I can get my asspats advice. My family is kinda fucked up. For siblings I have a heroin addict, a carpet munching groomer , and a pooner. I had cut them out of my life and hadn't seen them in years, up until my wedding two years ago; where my parents helpfully invited them. Thank God my wife knew getting into this my family was fucked up and she managed to keep them far the fuck away from me. I haven't seen nor heard from them since.

I recently found out my Christmas snu-snu was successful! But I am stuck trying to find a way to tell my folks that the carpet muncher and the pooner will only see my child over my dead body, if then. Hell I'd rather the kid interact with the heroin addict. At least they're self-aware that their a fuck up, and them being 27 and looking 48 should send some kinda of message.

I am really hesitant to tell them at all, but that would be douchy to not tell them. Not only to my folks, but the kid. IDK, R.N I am just kinda hoping the pooner 41 percents in the next 8 or so months. Sadly my family is geographcally close, and I am not giving up a cushy well paying job to get away from them. Thoughts, prayers, and advice are appreciated Kiwi-friends.
It is your parental obligation to protect your child from the dangerous freaks of the world. If that means keeping your family from the kid or vice versa, so be it. Children are so much more impressionable than we give them credit for; if you can keep your kid from becoming a fuck-up like we laugh at on the Farms, the sacrifices will be worth it.
 
Discord and specifically the core of this group is the only way I socialise daily, I know I can go long periods of time without substantial socialisation/friendship it's just that these online friendships are easier than being alone. I just don't really know what to do here.
I know that this will most likely end in a disaster but… Make a Kiwi discord? Or a YWNBAW Discord?
A little bit off topic, but this is the kinda the only place I can get my asspats advice. My family is kinda fucked up. For siblings I have a heroin addict, a carpet munching groomer , and a pooner. I had cut them out of my life and hadn't seen them in years, up until my wedding two years ago; where my parents helpfully invited them. Thank God my wife knew getting into this my family was fucked up and she managed to keep them far the fuck away from me. I haven't seen nor heard from them since.

I recently found out my Christmas snu-snu was successful! But I am stuck trying to find a way to tell my folks that the carpet muncher and the pooner will only see my child over my dead body, if then. Hell I'd rather the kid interact with the heroin addict. At least they're self-aware that their a fuck up, and them being 27 and looking 48 should send some kinda of message.

I am really hesitant to tell them at all, but that would be douchy to not tell them. Not only to my folks, but the kid. IDK, R.N I am just kinda hoping the pooner 41 percents in the next 8 or so months. Sadly my family is geographcally close, and I am not giving up a cushy well paying job to get away from them. Thoughts, prayers, and advice are appreciated Kiwi-friends.
I mean, it’s family. So I’d say definitely let the addict come, as long they’re not totally nodding out. It might even give them some motivation for you know… Not doing smack.

Since it’s family, I’d say let the pooner and groomer come too. With a big caveat.

Just tell your parents that of course your pooner sister can come and visit. She just needs to drop the pronoun/troon name while she’s there and dress normally.

Your other sister is welcome too, as long as she comes by herself and doesn’t bring a partner.

When your parents asks why, tell them that you dont wish to confuse your child or expose them to this kind of degeneracy.

As in: “Yes they are my sister, but I vehemently disagree with their lifestyle, and it is not something I want to expose my child to. And as you point out: Yeah, they’re family. Surely dressing differently for a few hours is a tiny ask, if seeing their cousin is important to them?”

It’s your child and while they may disagree, they’ll have to respect your wishes.

And when pooner and groomer hears about your simple condition they’ll huff off while mumbling something about hate crimes, thereby solving your problem.

Btw: Tread carefully. And gently. Your parents, despite presumably going through the motions of being supportive, like carry a huge weight of guilt and self blame over your siblings lifestyle.
 
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A little bit off topic, but this is the kinda the only place I can get my asspats advice. My family is kinda fucked up. For siblings I have a heroin addict, a carpet munching groomer , and a pooner. I had cut them out of my life and hadn't seen them in years, up until my wedding two years ago; where my parents helpfully invited them. Thank God my wife knew getting into this my family was fucked up and she managed to keep them far the fuck away from me. I haven't seen nor heard from them since.

I recently found out my Christmas snu-snu was successful! But I am stuck trying to find a way to tell my folks that the carpet muncher and the pooner will only see my child over my dead body, if then. Hell I'd rather the kid interact with the heroin addict. At least they're self-aware that their a fuck up, and them being 27 and looking 48 should send some kinda of message.

I am really hesitant to tell them at all, but that would be douchy to not tell them. Not only to my folks, but the kid. IDK, R.N I am just kinda hoping the pooner 41 percents in the next 8 or so months. Sadly my family is geographcally close, and I am not giving up a cushy well paying job to get away from them. Thoughts, prayers, and advice are appreciated Kiwi-friends.
It would be wise to keep your kid away from the trannys, even if they are blood related it isn’t worth it. Anyone who troons out has already demonstrated that they’ve downed the kool-aid. Even if you ask them to not talk to your kid about their degenerate lifestyle, that will only make them do it more. They will do it behind your back because they’re so deluded they would think it morally reprehensible NOT to troon-pill your kid.

In my opinion you should tell your family, overall I think you’re in the right headspace right now but I understand the stress you’re going through. At the end of the day your future kid is your main priority and while it might feel bad at the moment having your kids best interest at heart is the right thing to do.

Grats btw.
 
I know that this will most likely end in a disaster but… Make a Kiwi discord? Or a YWNBAW Discord?
I've seen enough 4chan discords come and go to know this would be catastrophic at best.

Ended up cutting ties. I felt slightly sad at first, but I've noticed I've felt better and had more energy/drive today. I truly do think that having instant access to self-gratifying socialisation is awful for peoples overall mental health but that's going a bit off topic. The fact that I feel better after only a single day tells me I made the right choice. Being around people who wallow in their misery just drags you down.
 
I've seen enough 4chan discords come and go to know this would be catastrophic at best.

Ended up cutting ties. I felt slightly sad at first, but I've noticed I've felt better and had more energy/drive today. I truly do think that having instant access to self-gratifying socialisation is awful for peoples overall mental health but that's going a bit off topic. The fact that I feel better after only a single day tells me I made the right choice. Being around people who wallow in their misery just drags you down.
Good on you! Did you leave quietly or give them the business?

Regarding the kid and troons (and yeah, congrats!) I think it’s actually important to keep this kind of stuff away from them especially when they’re still young.

Kids have an innate understanding of gender, and nothing good can come of confusing them.

Keep tranny shit away from them, and the instinctual reaction when they come across a troon at age 7 or 8 will be “WHAAAT THE F IS THIS NONSENSE?! Why is that man wearing a shirt skirt?!”
 
Thanks all I'm stuck being a mobile fag at the moment so I can't quote in detail. Doctors trip was this afternoon, all has been confirmed and I can say I am probably the happiest man on Earth rn.

I think FapCop nailed it. The biggest thing about this all is I know my parents (well my dad at least) really felt like failures with the others. I know how much this will mean to them since I really am their only hope for grandkids.

We told my inlaws today and I had a talk about this with my father-in-law about it. His thoughts were similar to what was expressed here. Dodging my parents would be a bitch move and I have to be a man now more than I've ever been. He suggested I tell my dad about what I feel in terms of my siblings and not to say dick to my Mom about those feelings.

Thanks again there are a million things still spinning in my mind, but fuck stressing over those numpties and their B.S. I have extended my genes, I'm on the final mission, in 18 years I can say I've won the game of life.
 
Thanks all I'm stuck being a mobile fag at the moment so I can't quote in detail. Doctors trip was this afternoon, all has been confirmed and I can say I am probably the happiest man on Earth rn.

I think FapCop nailed it. The biggest thing about this all is I know my parents (well my dad at least) really felt like failures with the others. I know how much this will mean to them since I really am their only hope for grandkids.

We told my inlaws today and I had a talk about this with my father-in-law about it. His thoughts were similar to what was expressed here. Dodging my parents would be a bitch move and I have to be a man now more than I've ever been. He suggested I tell my dad about what I feel in terms of my siblings and not to say dick to my Mom about those feelings.

Thanks again there are a million things still spinning in my mind, but fuck stressing over those numpties and their B.S. I have extended my genes, I'm on the final mission, in 18 years I can say I've won the game of life.
You’re going to be a dad at 18/19?

Good on you! As someone who had kids early myself, you can give your kids something that folks who become fathers late in life can’t. Energy. You got a lot more of it than folks in their 40ies and you’ll need all of it.

Kids are the greatest joy in life, so you’re really blessed.

(And don’t worry, the thought can feel overwhelming, but you got nine months to get used to it. And a lot of it will come natural. Remember: You were literally made for this!)

Gotta say, I feel terrible for your dad. (Not the grandkids part obviously!)

Don’t know your old man, but I’m sure he tried. Sometimes kids become failures through no fault of their parents. I’m sure he had many sleepless nights over the years, wondering if he did something wrong and what. Which is also why I’m sure he’ll understand how you feel.

We want our kids to do not just good but better than us. And he sure as shit doesn’t want his grandkid to troon out. So yeah… Maybe it’s time for a man to man talk with your dad about this.

Best of luck kiwi fren!
 
I think FapCop nailed it. The biggest thing about this is all is I know my parents (well my dad at least) really felt like failures with the others. I know how much this will mean to them since I really am their only hope for grandkids.
Coming from someone who’s brother “came out” to the family at the very end of my third trimester — having these conversations and practicing boundary holding before baby comes is KEY. When that baby is born, you will be so so tired and your emotions will be white hot and that’s when you will have to hold the line hardest — grandparents/aunts/uncles tend to leverage the excitement of a new baby and find ways to slip past the rules. I had to have some very heated conversations with a tiny newborn in hand because my boomer parents suddenly thought my degenerate brother needed to meet the baby “BECAUSE HE’S FAMILY” or some shit. They acted as if meeting my daughter was somehow going to heal my porn sick faggot brother. Thank gawd for my husband who saw me agonizing over it and put his foot down with my folks — he told them to never bring it up again if they wanted to see the kiddo. They chose wisely and haven’t tested the boundaries since.

TMI over — in any case, CONGRATS to you and yours! The next months will be some of the most memorable and exciting of your life and that will outweigh any family bullshit. It’s not easy to set boundaries and have tough conversations, but learning to do it now will set a better foundation for you and your child’s future. Wishing you luck!
 
A little bit off topic, but this is the kinda the only place I can get my asspats advice. My family is kinda fucked up. For siblings I have a heroin addict, a carpet munching groomer , and a pooner. I had cut them out of my life and hadn't seen them in years, up until my wedding two years ago; where my parents helpfully invited them. Thank God my wife knew getting into this my family was fucked up and she managed to keep them far the fuck away from me. I haven't seen nor heard from them since.

I recently found out my Christmas snu-snu was successful! But I am stuck trying to find a way to tell my folks that the carpet muncher and the pooner will only see my child over my dead body, if then. Hell I'd rather the kid interact with the heroin addict. At least they're self-aware that their a fuck up, and them being 27 and looking 48 should send some kinda of message.

I am really hesitant to tell them at all, but that would be douchy to not tell them. Not only to my folks, but the kid. IDK, R.N I am just kinda hoping the pooner 41 percents in the next 8 or so months. Sadly my family is geographcally close, and I am not giving up a cushy well paying job to get away from them. Thoughts, prayers, and advice are appreciated Kiwi-friends.
I rarely suggest cutting off close family, but if your parents refuse to respect your parenting decisions, maybe they need to be kept at arms length too. You wouldn't want them to pull some shit like bringing the tranny around when they are alone with the kid.

Your kid is more important than the feelings of anyone in your family. If you fuck the kid up, it'll grow up to be a fucked up tranny or worse. If you family gets offended, the worst they'll do is be mad about it.
 
I fucking hate my writing groups sometimes
Y'all, I'm getting so fucking tired of this shit. (:_(
Why is is that in art, music, and writing we are almost if not completely hit just as hard as the other nerd types?

Somtimes I feel like artists in general need a few more religious groups because some of them get lost in the sauce of no purpose. Meanwhile others need to find real help but don't have the courage or encouragement to get it. Lastly, some are so fucking up their own ass that we genuinely need to put our foot down more and kick them out of places.


I think one of the things that makes artists more fragile aside from their mental health is that they're easily manipulated. They know creative opportunities are harder to find, so being more people please-y and opportunistic to art group conformity helps. "If you don't say X you will be excluded from my circle," is harsh on most people, but on artists that could mean your entire career in one area is down the fucking toilet. Trooning out to alievate the alienation you feel and to keep good standing in the community is one hell of a motivator. I hate it so much and I hate that I'm not sure if it can be cured.


Ended up cutting ties. I felt slightly sad at first, but I've noticed I've felt better and had more energy/drive today. I truly do think that having instant access to self-gratifying socialisation is awful for peoples overall mental health but that's going a bit off topic. The fact that I feel better after only a single day tells me I made the right choice. Being around people who wallow in their misery just drags you down.
I had a similar but not troon related friend group I kept feeling emotionally drained around and cut ties, then feeling like a burden was lifted. I didn't sah anything until someone contacted me from the group, and I gave him the low down and said I wouldn't be coming back and that stung but also helped.
It's harder to do in the cooler months, but I do suggest going outside and meeting people, even if it's a games night at a local food place or other little events.
 
Well that went over like a lead zeppelin. I'd said I need a drink, but neither of us can cope like that right now. It sucks now having to cut out my parents and I can't help but have this all feel cultish, but it looks like Ed Special nailed it.
Their way of raising kids clearly has a 75% failure rate.
I just pray to The Lord to give me the strength I need to be a better man.

It was a bunch of: Your a scientist you should know better, your Great Aunt dressed like a man, gay is genetic, the usual rigamarole.

I know there been more responses, but for now it's time to sneak off for a cry and some Hell Yeah.

youtube.com/watch?v=k0a7fVxNQpk
 
Well that went over like a lead zeppelin. I'd said I need a drink, but neither of us can cope like that right now. It sucks now having to cut out my parents and I can't help but have this all feel cultish, but it looks like Ed Special nailed it.

I just pray to The Lord to give me the strength I need to be a better man.

It was a bunch of: Your a scientist you should know better, your Great Aunt dressed like a man, gay is genetic, the usual rigamarole.

I know there been more responses, but for now it's time to sneak off for a cry and some Hell Yeah.

youtube.com/watch?v=k0a7fVxNQpk
Welp, looks like that meeting didn't go well. That sucks man if you have to cut out your parents. I feel like that was a hard thing to do.
 
Coming from someone who’s brother “came out” to the family at the very end of my third trimester
There really is a core of narcissism and coom behind every tranny, isn’t there?

You hear so many stories about coming out when their partner is pregnant or in this case their sister. Other people just don’t even register.
Well that went over like a lead zeppelin. I'd said I need a drink, but neither of us can cope like that right now. It sucks now having to cut out my parents and I can't help but have this all feel cultish, but it looks like Ed Special nailed it.

I just pray to The Lord to give me the strength I need to be a better man.

It was a bunch of: Your a scientist you should know better, your Great Aunt dressed like a man, gay is genetic, the usual rigamarole.

I know there been more responses, but for now it's time to sneak off for a cry and some Hell Yeah.

youtube.com/watch?v=k0a7fVxNQpk
Sucks man.

Give them some time, your parents are likely taking this very personally. Your dad probably feels like being confronted with his own failure in raising kids, and some folks automatically shut down when that happens.

I suspect that they’ll come around once the baby has been born or is about to, and realize that cutting off the genetic dead weight in the family is a small price to pay to see their grandkid. What you’ll do then, and whether you’ll trust them will be up to you.

On the bright side, at least it sounds like your father/mother in law are on board. That’s great!
 
Well that went over like a lead zeppelin. I'd said I need a drink, but neither of us can cope like that right now. It sucks now having to cut out my parents and I can't help but have this all feel cultish, but it looks like Ed Special nailed it.

I just pray to The Lord to give me the strength I need to be a better man.

It was a bunch of: Your a scientist you should know better, your Great Aunt dressed like a man, gay is genetic, the usual rigamarole.

I know there been more responses, but for now it's time to sneak off for a cry and some Hell Yeah.

youtube.com/watch?v=k0a7fVxNQpk
At the end of the day, you didn't choose your parents or siblings, but you chose your partner and child. You don't owe those people anything, and owe the child everything. If they can't get with the program and recognize that you have a right to choose what you do not want your child exposed to, that's sad but the kid will be better off without them.

They very well may come around and I'd suggest leaving some line open to them, just because it is nice to have family and I'm sure you love them. That being said, personally, they'd never be alone with the kid after that.
 
Ended up cutting ties. I felt slightly sad at first, but I've noticed I've felt better and had more energy/drive today. I truly do think that having instant access to self-gratifying socialisation is awful for peoples overall mental health but that's going a bit off topic. The fact that I feel better after only a single day tells me I made the right choice. Being around people who wallow in their misery just drags you down.
Reminds me of the time I watched a discord server implode in real time. Anti white faggots, people arguing over video game characters, gooners, constant whining, a pseudo janny abusing his powers to groom minors publicly, retarded therapy sessions.

It was nuts.

Somtimes I feel like artists in general need a few more religious groups
Or some healthy community that isn't an echo chamber of leftie brain rot or Nazi furries or whatever.

Unfortunately religion will get blasted because you got some retard going "I got religious trauma" which is the dumbest thing ever heard.

Why is is that in art, music, and writing we are almost if not completely hit just as hard as the other nerd types?
I suppose you gotta be a little autistic to be into those things.

But alas trannies ruin everything
 
Reminds me of the time I watched a discord server implode in real time. Anti white faggots, people arguing over video game characters, gooners, constant whining, a pseudo janny abusing his powers to groom minors publicly, retarded therapy sessions.

It was nuts.


Or some healthy community that isn't an echo chamber of leftie brain rot or Nazi furries or whatever.

Unfortunately religion will get blasted because you got some retard going "I got religious trauma" which is the dumbest thing ever heard.


I suppose you gotta be a little autistic to be into those things.

But alas trannies ruin everything
If I had to guess it would be because artists/musicians/writers tend to fall into two categories. (Very generally speaking.)

Asocial loners who tend to get really good at their artistry, but also spend way too much time alone, never touching grass.

And performative types who love to bask in attention.

The former do it because they’re easily groomable in the online spaces they visit.

The latter love to suddenly be the center of attention because of their VERY special gender feels.


(Also, there’s a giant amount of social pressure in artistic circles. You have to like and dislike the same things. Means there’s less room for critical thinking.)
 
If I had to guess it would be because artists/musicians/writers tend to fall into two categories. (Very generally speaking.)

Asocial loners who tend to get really good at their artistry, but also spend way too much time alone, never touching grass.

And performative types who love to bask in attention.

The former do it because they’re easily groomable in the online spaces they visit.

The latter love to suddenly be the center of attention because of their VERY special gender feels.


(Also, there’s a giant amount of social pressure in artistic circles. You have to like and dislike the same things. Means there’s less room for critical thinking.)
Went to college for art, there's a third thing.
We're too accepting and afraid to hurt feelings, I had a classmate draw chris chan tier trees on cardboard and came up with elaborate meanings to make up for the crap art.
Another classmate was FUCKING COMMISSIONED to do a very simple abstract piece with cool, neutral colors and wanted a single statement color. They liked blue, silver, grey and red. Super easy, and it was to be used in a salon. Easy, right?
Bitch made a "self portrait" of what she WISHED she looked like, including cherry red hair with a blue stripe, on a NEON GREEN BACKGROUND with bright purple flores de lies patterning. Everyone was saying how awful the commissioner was for not wanting to pay for it!

Know what I said? "No. All of you are wrong. When you commission, you adjust to what the client wants, not what you like doing. It's a disgrace on your professionalism and career to pull that, and if you can't adjust or accept criticism, you won't last here. Because the general public isn't forgiving, which is why I usually don't do commissioned works."

I was called an asshole, and she dropped out. Idgaf, I take pride in my hobby, I spent thousands upon thousands for this private college and wasn't going to spend it patting asses, I wanted genuine critique and to better my styles. A handful of others dropped, realizing I was actually being kind in how harsh I was, and that the asspatting? It didn't prepare them at all for how cruel people can be.
Example: I have had some dipshit curator tell me what my own painting medium was (it was wrong) and threatened to take my shit out if I kept talking back by correcting her. Guess who never ever got even an honorary mention of placements for best pieces because voting was entirely done inside the museum? They had a rule that they would never pick 2 of the same artists to win the same selection, guess what they did when I was the only one who did acrylic? Created an entire ass new medium placement to select the same artist so they didn't break the rule.
So imagine what happens if a tranny gets in? You will be fucking blacklisted from well established museums or showings for not "correctly" playing social politics and sucking ass to the right people. Being an individual is bad and wrong unless you do it the correct way, or the way a tranny decides fits their fetish of the day.
 
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