Off-Topic Losing people to transgenderism support thread - Support group for trans widows and other people who lost loved ones to troonism

No, it's not that to them: accepting trans people be treated medically means that you accepted they developed "wrong". The phrase "I went through the wrong puberty" is popular for a reason, aside from dramatics. They see their sex aligned puberty as a defect, like a cleft palette or tumor. To get "mutilated" is to get """"corrective"""" surgery. They are removing tumors, they are correcting palettes, they are getting prosthetic apendages.
The puberty thing is also something I see them use when justifying puberty blockers and kids getting surgery. And it's kinda messed up with how emotionally manipulative it is.

"Do you want to torture trans kids with dysphoria?"
"Do you want trans kids to die?"
"Do you want to deny trans kids gender affirming care?"

DO YOU WANT KIDS TO DIE?

Gender affirming is another favorite phrase of theirs and they love pushing it to justify their bodily mutilation. Even medical websites use it now.

All sounds like gender delusion to me.
 
My childhood best friend trooned out a few years ago. I'm worried for her. She's got an eating disorder like most pooners, but... severe. Feeding tube severe. I can tolerate her enough to at least be there. Other than hanging a flag in her room and drugging herself on testosterone she doesn't talk about troonism much.

I have other friends who have trooned who I have gladly stopped talking to, but this poor confused woman needs serious help. I don't know if this is wishful thinking, but I figure that when the day comes that she regrets chopping her breasts off and taking troon juice, I'll still be there. I'm just worried about my friend.
 
She's got an eating disorder like most pooners, but... severe. Feeding tube severe. I can tolerate her enough to at least be there. Other than hanging a flag in her room and drugging herself on testosterone she doesn't talk about troonism much.
I've noticed a lot of the anorexic pooners actually really are dedicated to being a man. They don't obsess over being "trans" and pass more than the average troon or at least try to. I think it's because body dysmorphia and GD go hand and hand a lot of the time, plus anorexia makes you appear more masculine and fucks with your hormones even more due to stuff like menopause.
I hope she's well because she's clearly unwell and shame on the medical "doctors" who gave her T. My friend was able to have access to T and she was equally unwell, except her ED was a binge one and she suffered with psychosis. It's a clear example of the system blatantly taking advantage of the mentally ill, but of course they love to not acknowledge this stuff happening.
They'd rather let hundreds mutilate and kill themselves if it means 5 will feel comfortable, regardless if the 5 gets off to their identity or not.
 
>Friend from work is a sheepish, skinny loner who acts very nerdy and distant most of the time. (That's fine)
>Spends the last year asking people to refer to him by his last name only. (Okay)
>Starts to dress more flamboyantly, wearing leathers and makeup and very tight fitting jackets. (Oh no)
>Spends most of his time posting selfies of him wearing makeup and trying out different long hairstyles.
>Starts wearing (very) tight fitting shirts that expose his midsection, paints his nails, puts on lipstick and lets his hair hang down in front of his face. (I know what's happening...)
>Very recently started talking to people he knew personally with a weak, warbly imitation of a woman's voice. (Uh oh...)

I don't like where this is going. :(

Twenty years ago, he'd just be another one of those weird DnD or MtG guys who kept his proclivities to himself, but you'd still be able to go out and get a beer with. Maybe a goth, maybe a metalhead, maybe just really into fringe stuff like anime and manga. Hell, a few years ago he was that kind of person. It's frustrating because I know what it's like to be in that position of being lonely and wanting to do something to bring attention to yourself, but god almighty this just ain't it.
An update regarding this coworker: a few months later he officially came out to our friend group using some very feminine name (Violetta or Rosemary or something). Few people talked to him to begin with and following this he seemed to arrive at parties/events later and later (once showing up at 11 for a party that started at 7) and in the past couple months he hasn't even posted in the work group chat for like a month or so. Any time he was present was incredibly awkward with nobody really knowing how to involve him in discussions since he usually avoided talking much even before transition. He was also fired shortly after coming out, his given reason being "they kept scheduling me when I couldn't work" which means either he didn't bother to talk to his manager or they were trying to get rid of him (which actually seems unlikely since there's like three other genderspecials who didn't get fired).

I don't know him that well but suffice to say I don't think any of the changes he's made have helped him in any way.
 
Someone I know started the troonout process recently. I was with him on a voice call for the first time since the announcement. He's *mincing* now. Doing the pitched up voice, like a dude trying to sound like a little girl. It's so creepy. I can't keep a straight face. I'm starting a personal countdown until his very supportive wife goes trans widow. It always happens. Sometimes it takes longer, but even the staunchest wife gets repelled by the fetishy behavior eventually.
He has a new friend he wants to introduce to people. A dainty girl with a baritone voice and the pink and blue flags everywhere on every profile, with usernames that end in -chan UWU SO CUTE!

I. Wonder. Where. It. Came. From.

It'safetish
 
I am honestly just convinced that it's porn-sickness and either untreated or badly treated autism at this point.
I think the culture they were raised in plus the emphasis on geek social fallacies. You may have been more online than your peers, but the technology these people grew up with is still different than yours and social media really made some extremes in personality and such.
 
You ain't heard nothing yet, wait till you hear this fucking minecraft troon.

This is what he used to sound like:

This is what he sounds like now:

I don't know what the fuck happened or when he announced he transition but he has the worst troon voice I've ever heard. He sounds legit retarded now.
Legit sounds like helium or voice alteration software. What a sad outcome, all these harmless minecraft spergs being ruined by troonery and becoming spreaders of the plague
 
Kind of related, kind of not. I already knew this person was pooner before I met them but my wifes friend and her family drank the gender special Kool aid and it's heartbreaking to witness. I already told my wife that I'm not a fan of trannies but I'll always try to respect her friends decision so I wouldn't start anything because they were nice to me but whenever I see her friend, she looks dead inside from all the T. Dude looks awful and from what my wife tells me, she goes days without showering until forced to, wears the same clothes day in and day out because she doesn't even know how to do laundry and her parents try to help her be self sufficient but she wouldn't budge. They basically gave in at did it for her, all she does is sit in her room and get high all the time. They always complain how much she doesnt do anything. I tried to mention to my wife that turning trans most likely have worsened these behaviors because apparently, she had a history of doing this before, she just told me its because they spoiled him and not about her trooning out. It is true tho, some stories that they've told me was that he was given everything as a child, teen and adult. They even let her drop out of school and they weren't even poor or had any other responsibilities that pushed them, she lived middle class and had a big house while both me and my wife lived in trailer parks while we were younger. Anyways, she isn't gonna be self sufficient anytime soon and her parents are elderly and ones dying of cancer, she's gonna lose everything and it's because they can't discipline their kid for shit until it was too late. Now they have a trooned out daughter that they make excuses for and that's the last of her bloodline, literally it dies with her. Sorry if I sounded a little heated but it's just frustrating to look at people excusing their stunning and brave choice not knowing how much they fucked their only child. Whenever I tried to meet her, I always got weirded out and her family asked why I was weirded out to my wife and she told them silently I'm not a fan of trannies but I try to be respectful and they thought I was the crazy one. Truly a marvel to look at bravo
 
Embarrassing but I almost lost myself.


I’m a “twice exceptional” lesbian woman (it’s an education term- used to describe intelligence combined with autism/ADHD or similar). Likely autism, though I want to be a government spook so I am not diagnosed as you can’t get a clearance if you’re autistic. I have a specific very deep and niche interest and ability to sort of…fall? into it that would be a great asset for government intelligence. Literally the thing I like to pursue is the same shit they have people squinting at satellite photos for in Langley. I have read every single English language source on this intelligence topic.

Anyway, I think autism + internalized homophobia made me think I might be better off as a dude or nonbinary. For about two years, I was obnoxious and insisted on they/them and thought about chopping the tits. I’ve never felt comfortable in my own skin anyway, and got bullied and left out a lot. I wanted to be happy. I was in my 20s and my spouse was having major medical and mental health problems. Including being totally off her feet for months, so I was trying to work and also be the house bitch. There was no village or help. She didn’t sleep with me and barely gave me affection for 18 months. There were money issues. I was crying every day and completely exhausted. We almost split.

I wanted to be happier. I wanted help in our life. I needed a change. And I heard of stories of trans people who were happier, were supported in their lives, were told they were brave. I guess I wanted love and positivity, really, because I definitely wasn’t getting it. So I thought, maybe I was uncomfortable in myself because I was trans? I could make changes and fix everything.

Then I attended a foreign language course that had a lot of older liberals there. Sort of a vacation, you stay onsite for learning. They tried to refer to me correctly, but that’s difficult to do in that language, and it’s one of those languages where every damn object has a gender. So I said fine, it’s all arbitrary, I don’t GAF what pronouns in that language if a door is female and a table is male.

And I met an ex-military lady in her 70s. So butch I thought she was lesbian, but actually married with kids. I said wow, your military accomplishments are really something, especially as a woman- do you feel like one? Cringe!

She says, well, I don’t think it’s a feeling, if you don’t think you’re a woman, then by my career and appearance and interests I’m not one either, haha.

That stuck with me and led me to confront my own misogyny and homophobia. I later got therapy for something that I really think was a major part of the root problem.



…I was sexually assaulted as a tween by another girl, and it was pretty bad and forceful, but also the first time I experienced that sort of sexual feeling. She told me not to tell or everyone would think I was gay. And I blamed myself too, because I did have an idea that I liked girls, which is why I went off alone with her, thinking she was cute.


Exploring my own problems and figuring things out really gives me sympathy for FTMs. I’m kind and will call people what they want to be called, but if my experience is a guide, a lot of them are traumatized and need real therapy, not surgery. I started by reading medical reports and whistleblowers on trans issues from that perspective, because I wanted to know what to expect medically. Now? Guess I’m a TERF.
 
I have a long term friend who has unfortunately turned into your classic super short pooner. I want to say it's mostly due to her getting in a relationship with another pooner because before she was involved with her, she used to make fun of troons on here. I believe the fujoshi to ftm pipeline is another part of it too because she's an avid yaoi enjoyer, one that ships Naruto and Sasuke of course. She also insists that everything has to be some flavor of trans to enjoy it, like making male characters have pussies/t-dicks to validate her identity or some shit. I just find it so hard to believe that this is the same person I've been friends with for the past 6 years since we were both tomboys who loved video games and talking shit about the crazies we saw on tumblr or here.

Now she chimps out if someone calls her mam/lady instead of sir or DOOD. I don't know what she expects since there aren't a lot of under 5' men here who have wide hips. What also gets me is that she's now friends with a self-proclaimed "femboy" who is nothing but a girl with he/they pronouns, isn't taking hormones and she absolutely looks up to her for whatever reason. I have a feeling that idiot is also poisoning her mind somehow.

What is it about being trans that induces such fast brainrot? Her wanting to get on T started just a few months after being with being with that insidious pooner and then it seems like within a year all I have is this friend who has made trans her whole identity and can hardly talk about anything unless she relates it to being trans somehow. I feel like I failed her in a way. Like I should've let her know that it was okay to be a masculine girl who also happened to like girly things sometimes. At the end of the day she is really just a lesbian who probably has issues with internalized homophobia and I wish I could help her. I don't mean to sound like an uncaring asshole but I don't want to have to hold my tongue around her when she brings up trans shit, and that I could tell her that taking T will not solve her issues. I hate to see her go down this path and I really wish I could have my friend back.

I know this post is all over the place but I think this is the only place I can say these things without being criticized for not bowing down to trans people.
 
I met an ex-military lady in her 70s. So butch I thought she was lesbian, but actually married with kids. I said wow, your military accomplishments are really something, especially as a woman- do you feel like one? Cringe!

She says, well, I don’t think it’s a feeling, if you don’t think you’re a woman, then by my career and appearance and interests I’m not one either, haha.
What a queen. I'm so glad you took her words to heart.
 
You ain't heard nothing yet, wait till you hear this fucking minecraft troon.

This is what he used to sound like:

This is what he sounds like now:

I don't know what the fuck happened or when he announced he transition but he has the worst troon voice I've ever heard. He sounds legit retarded now.
Oh no. Oh god.

I used to know this guy a few years back, just was around the same space online, talked to him a few times before he took off. Around the time his first circle video blew up, he was already posting programming sock photos and complaining about how transphobic his mom is on his alt. At that time I didn't see any of that as a red flag, nor him being a furry. In retrospect, a fully grown man crying on Twitter about how he doesn't feel "safe" so he had to put they/them in his bio instead of she/her is pretty funny. Eventually changed it to she/they but at that point I had basically left social media, and I didn't really care about trans people either way back then anyways. I have been thinking about what he's doing recently, though.

Hearing that bad Minnie Mouse impression makes me genuinely nauseous, absolute lunacy. His poor parents. Definitely a pornsick gay 20-something falling down the rabbit hole.
 
I feel like I failed her in a way. Like I should've let her know that it was okay to be a masculine girl who also happened to like girly things sometimes.
How could you have failed her when all of this was by her choice and you two were laughing at troons together? No offense, but all of this sounds like she doesn't have an identity aside from what people around her she likes put into her. We all have a bit of that, we take on traits of people we like intentionally (learning how to deal with things from them, getting into a new interest with them) and unintentionally (talking about different topics, positive and negative mindsets), but she seems to be the type of person who only desires romantic company to the point where she will erase her thoughts to be with someone else. She likely did have internalized homophobia/misogyny, but she's a big girl who could have figured that out instead of longing for a hard butch lesbian (trans man) so badly she gave up her previous thoughts.

I don't mean to sound like a dick, but the only person who failed was herself. If she's filled with whoever she favors the most's thoughts, she should just become a marketing agent or something and shill beliefs and products for the highest bidder.
 
Earlier this year I had a major falling-out with a close friend who fell into gender cult nonsense, IMO as a result of being fried by the pandemic and losing stability in their life. I told an even closer friend of ~15 years about it when it happened, and got some support, but I felt like I could only talk about my true feelings about the situation so much. About a month ago this friend had the same thing happen to her with one of her friends. Similar demographic (mid/late 30's), similar subcultural background (bounced around a lot of different subcultures/scenes every 2-3 years, no deep roots in any relationships), similar way of nuking all relationships that aren't based around validating and worshipping themself and their new identity. We're both sad that we lost our respective friends, but it's also a relief to both of us that they aren't our problem any more. The more often this happens, the more the people left in the wake will talk about the aspects that don't add up.

I got an update on my friend who fell into the gender cult. Last year she apparently did something that caused all but one of her remaining friends in our city to cut her off. She had to move back home with her parents because she couldn't keep her shit together. She's almost 40. I had a feeling something like this was going to happen. I'm wondering if we'll ever hear from her again, and what the context will be - could she wind up dead, could she wind up transitioning to male and using a new name, could she detransition and talk a ton of shit on her old friends for enabling her. I can wonder, but I also need to remind myself that this person is not my problem.
 
I just stumbled on this thread today and skimmed the highlights, and I want to say thanks to everyone who shared their stories. I can't give many details on mine because the person in question knows about the farms and may have suspicions I use it, so my powerlevel tolerance is damn close to 0, but seeing so many people with similar situations makes me feel a lot better about my own. I knew, rationally, that other people would have similar stories to me. The mind virus is so wildly prevalent right now that there's no way I'd be the only person who feels this way about a close long-time friend with a child still in their impressionable years deciding that truth isn't something that matters and they'd rather get the cheap thrill of living as the opposite gender of their own in a fucking polycule with their spouse, while raising a child. But I did still feel alone when I cut that person from my life. I'm lucky enough to have a couple friends/family members who understood my position but none who could relate to it, so seeing that it's more than just me who has dealt with this and even responded similarly to me is a lot. Thanks again.
 
I can't wait til the next war vets are describing how a whole platoon was taken out by transgingerism, they were all waiting for the log ride and bam tranny bombed
 
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I am really hesitant to tell them at all, but that would be douchy to not tell them. Not only to my folks, but the kid. IDK, R.N I am just kinda hoping the pooner 41 percents in the next 8 or so months.
As someone who dealt with a groomer brother don't give them an inch.

You don't have a family anymore. Share with your parents but ultimately I would start building a list of people that are supportive and celebrate with them.
 
My ex trooned out, alongside his entire friend group (I mentioned the one guy here) and now they all obsess over anime girls and lesbians while being in a cuck poly relationship talking to mTf troons in their 30s+ who barely pass alongide many other troons who don't pass, posting online about how shitty they feel and overall trying to be "quirky"- here's me thinking he was actually a pretty decent guy. I was the toxic one in the relationship, this was when we were 16-18. For awhile I felt sad about them all abandoning me since they've forgiven other people in the group for their toxicity, even though those people had a support system. I was dealing with abuse and all that. But i guess I REALLY dodged a bullet, huh. Crazy to think how better my life is in comparison considering I was the one who started off so poorly.

I've noticed for men, their big chins are way more noticeable after trooning out. I don't know if it's the makeup or what. My ex's chin didn't seem all that big until looking at his recent photos. It's like holy shit lol

What is gonna happen to these people? In the long run. I keep wondering that... I'm young, they are all young. We are in our early 20s. But stuff like this has an impact that will affect you all the way into your 60s if you don't escape sooner. It's like overeating or alcoholism, the more you wait to fix the situation the more fucked you are. Your 20s isn't the "fuck around and find out later" era like mainstream media loves to paint. It is a crucial time to build good habits because the habits you have in your 20s will carry over for years to come.
 
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