Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

[Doctor Love]

This shit right here is why I left the UK ages ago; the writing was on the wall.

It's getting harder and harder, by the day.

The medical shit is one which stays with you. I couldn't do my qualifications at a normal age. Because I was crippled by literal brain damage from medical negligence. They managed to miss so many red flags that I have only just, after ten years, gotten adequate treatment.

It amazes me how people seem to think the UK is worth.. well, trying anything in it.

Just the most basic maths - our costs are so stupidly high, with so many hidden subtractions from every angle - that we are genuinely living to a third-world standard.

I wouldn't say that unless I was certain. The exact disease which I had was most common in fucking African countries where antibiotics are unavailable. My doctor was that fucking incompetent. I had an easily preventable, third-world disease which is vulnerable to basic antibiotics for years because of it.

 

[CaptainAutism69]

I was crippled by literal brain damage from medical negligence.

Well that explains the train posting.

 

[Male Idiot]

Okey I didn't get the piss shit and blood at least. The toilets did lack any soap or toilet paper, and the food was like that in the blog, but otherwise it did not try to kill me more than diseases...

 

[Ashkenazi Porn Actress]

And that is a normal, reasonable and rational thing for those states to do.

He's was still a foreign national of a country they're ostensibly allied to. If they had any sense they would've just deported his ass the first time around but alas half of the Ukropistani government and all of their security services consist of vindictive Third Reich LARPers who would've loved to string him up on a lamp post for Wehrkraftzersetzung.

 

[Susanna]

The UK is really actually quite poor, which is kind of sad

No it isn't, it's a lot better than they deserve.

 

[Mav52ri]

Why the fuck would you do that? That's not your money, mate, that's some cunt who'll have you imprisoned if you call him naughty words!

I've processed what you've said in the past posts and I'll take the L on this topic, but I will not be surprised if the shit hits the fan for the EU in the near future. But this is a thread for Russia and Ukraine so I'm ending this topic.

Needless to say, my travels abroad brought me a quality of life that I could never have had back at home, such as having bought an apartment in an economically developed European country, buying some flash cars and having a decent profession. Brexit helped limit my options though so that pissed me off.

Feels like that's the duality between the EU and countries outside of it, outside you probably have a shittier standard of living but at least you don't have people barking down at you to troon and replace your population. While inside you get better standards even in the shittier areas but a technocratic overlord in some faraway city telling you to cut the dicks off your people and accept the black and browns in your cities otherwise your a bigot and a racist and you lose all your free gibs.

I'd prefer the former personally, thank god Russia exists.

 

[Doctor Love]

Well that explains the train posting.

It's even funnier when you see it from my point of view.

Someone has to consider the unthinkable. If everyone agrees, nobody learns.

I don't care if I'm wrong. I know I can't see things in the same light as someone with no injuries.

But you should care if I'm right. Because if I can see something which you can't, then you have a problem.

more than diseases...

Not just any diseases. Easily preventable diseases. Easily preventable, globally recognisable, famous diseases.

I'd prefer the former personally, thank god Russia exists.

By my maths, the average Russian has a far higher quality of life now. In almost every single way - our costs of living are so high that the difference is larger than the wage difference.

We are genuinely in line with the average Russian - if not lower, just from a financial perspective.
I would like to have some more data on the topic, honestly, since it really shows the reality of life.

 

[Mav52ri]

It's even funnier when you see it from my point of view.

Someone has to consider the unthinkable. If everyone agrees, nobody learns.

I don't care if I'm wrong. I know I can't see things in the same light as someone with no injuries.

But you should care if I'm right. Because if I can see something which you can't, then you have a problem.

Ok, you're excused of your purple triangle in my eyes.

By my maths, the average Russian has a far higher quality of life now. In almost every single way - our costs of living are so high that the difference is larger than the wage difference.

We are genuinely in line with the average Russian - if not lower, just from a financial perspective.
I would like to have some more data on the topic, honestly, since it really shows the reality of life.

If the US can't sort out it's deep-state issue, and if the EU won't croak sooner rather than later, then Russia is pretty high on my list of promise lands to go to, but that is a very last resort for me personally, I still love these isles despite all their faults and I will only consider leaving if absolutely everything is lost.

 

[Doctor Love]

I still love these isles despite all their faults and I will only consider leaving if absolutely everything is lost.

Well I can't say I agree with you, but it's your call.

I am making some calculations, right now, to show what the reality of costs of living are. There's a bunch of comparisons but they're half-arsed.

I'll add to it as I go, since it's clear that we have a massive problem in the UK. Statistical lies upon lies, giving delusions to the population. But each penny adds up.

It's a massive side-track from the thread, but I've become genuinely convinced that thanks to this statistical fuckery, the Russians actually have a much better economy than we do. It just needs to be calculated out in some way which excludes as many false-economies as possible.

 

[Mav52ri]

Well I can't say I agree with you, but it's your call.

I am making some calculations, right now, to show what the reality of costs of living are. There's a bunch of comparisons but they're half-arsed.

I'll add to it as I go, since it's clear that we have a massive problem in the UK. Statistical lies upon lies, giving delusions to the population. But each penny adds up.

It's a massive side-track from the thread, but I've become genuinely convinced that thanks to this statistical fuckery, the Russians actually have a much better economy than we do. It just needs to be calculated out in some way which excludes as many false-economies as possible.

Go ahead, but probably best to place it somewhere else as this thread's getting pretty off the rails, though that does beg the question if there's statistical fuckery in the UK, then there could be similar cases in the US, EU, Canada (why did you think they brought in assisted suicide), China, etc. it's a topic which is worth exploring.

 

[Doctor Love]

Go ahead, but probably best to place it somewhere else as this thread's getting pretty off the rails, though that does beg the question if there's statistical fuckery in the UK, then there could be similar cases in the US, EU, Canada (why did you think they brought in assisted suicide), China, etc. it's a topic which is worth exploring.

But more easily verifiable than you'd think.

All I'd need to do is map out the average incomes based off of realistic expectations - and there's plenty of people here who can actually contribute.

For example, the average rent vs average square meters. This one works a lot better to really exemplify the difference in what you get for your money. Then, you can just compare - the average Russian apartment seems to be 50 square meters, thus, you can see what the average American would pay.

Then, you find the actual realistic income using actual samples - not vague statistics - and find what that person would actually get for their work if they had the same thing under le Pootin.

 

[Legato]

WE GET IT!!!
We call you Europoors for a reason. Start a thread about it already.

 

[Doctor Love]

Spoiler: to be polite

Adjusting for the average monthly expenditures based on a 50 square meter flat, average groceries for one person, a regular phone bill, fuel prices, etc - this is the situation I came up with.

In short, the sanctions are not working. If anything, they have actually made Russia stronger.

Not only have the sanctions not worked - adjusting for the cost of living in Russia, the average "fresh" Russian soldier now earns a wage which, unpolluted by foreign speculation, can pay for a quality of life equal to around the top 3% of Britons.

I didn't even include tax brackets - all they would do, in this case, is just strengthen the point. What should be more revealing is that the UK is barely a first world country, and British wages are so absurdly fucking low that, in all likelihood, the Russian soldiers that survive will go home with more spending power than the average British doctor. All values are indexed against the UK.

Obviously shit's more complicated than this, but honestly I can only see that as favouring the Russian perspective even more. The only takeaway from this war is that the Western population eats shit and still insults Russia for some reason.

 

[ConsentAccidentVictimNo98]

Another day I'm glad I don't live in bongland:
Britain’s prime minister is in Ukraine to offer aid and reassurance of West’s support against Moscow (archive)
If you're in the UK, they just signed a package, worth 2.5 billion pounds ($3.2 billion) over the next fiscal year. This is just pissing your country's wealth away.

God I fucking hate the Pajeet in office. No mandate, no legitimacy but just does whatever the fuck he wants shitting everywhere. He and his wife of course won't pay a dime. This country is fucked and there's none of your tard wringling that can be done about it.

Oh, and tying our corpse to Ukraine our bestie when it comes to laundry this essentially signs Ukraine's death certificate.

 

[St.Davis]

CRP was a retard but the US bent over a retarded negress who did the same, but played bawksetbawls and got traded for arms dealers.

So they just pick and choose which retard to save, which isn't a good look.

The Negress was being held by an ostensibly hostile country (Russia) while CRP was held by an ostensibly friendly one, as well. It should have been a pretty easy concession to make, though evidently the US didnt want their citizen.

 

[Maginot]

Wait, Russian troops get paid more than the US troops? Why the hell did we have a defected Russian LT in my unit then?

 

[sneedpest]

honestly Lira dying under Ukrainian watch is a PR disaster I believe that Republicans can use his death as ammunition to hamper further aid to Ukraine. I don't like lira but they should have deported him and let him embarrass him self

 

[Susanna]

Wait, Russian troops get paid more than the US troops? Why the hell did we have a defected Russian LT in my unit then?

I'd be very dubious about unsourced information from a pink triangle.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

if you are going to execute someone

More like tortured to death, I'd wager. If its true. Carlson seems to have confirmation from his father so it very likely is.

RIP CRP you were too retarded for this life.

F

 

[Doctor Love]

This country is fucked

I didn't even bother with the tax brackets and shit, but fuck this.

Spoiler: depressing

When I included taxes, the average Russian soldier - their money is actually worth something in Russia. You know that whole feeling that the Germans had when they could see that the American soldiers were able to bring cans of coke all the way from home?

The only people who can actually compare to a modern Russian wage, now, in terms of buying power seems to be the USA. There's no chance in hell they'll get rid of "le Putler" if he went from 90s Russia to, by any relatable, conventional metric, possibly the best economic situation in the world.

To clarify. I don't give a fuck about GDP or stock prices. What matters is "Can an average man, marry an average woman, and buy a house to raise an average family and live in prosperity" - and the answer is a resounding yes.

The extremely low cost of living essentially means that all of that money is really expendable, or can be spent on future investments. Most people, the supermajority of the West, live one bad accident away from poverty. These guys could live a comfortable life, at those prices, for months when they get back.

Running the maths again, the average Russian can actually afford to get on the housing market - like from nothing, a median 50% earner can marry, buy an apartment, sell up and get a house - there's actually a path there. Russia is likely to have an actual economic boom when this war is over.

For comparison, a 5 bed house in or near Moscow seems to now be around $160,000-$200,000. Five bedrooms. Even with the costs of fixing it up, that's just fucking unthinkable in the West. That's 80% less than an equivalent size compared to the UK. And from what I can see, it's universally true. For two average incomes to afford houses in cities, with a 5-10 year mortgage.

And the average Russian household income is not far behind affording that. These are all new buildings. I got distracted when I saw it. While all the West has been bleeding itself dry, there's a fucking lot of Russians buying new houses. All of that "sanctioning" just removed the foreign investors - now average Russians are buying homes in their cities!

Wait, Russian troops get paid more than the US troops? Why the hell did we have a defected Russian LT in my unit then?

It's indexed to how far that money will go in Russia. The effective value when compared with groceries and costs. They get paid more than British or German troops, though, both indexed and raw. $2000-2500 per month.

When you consider more about what it will actually buy, the average Russian seems to be in a genuinely better position, economically, than all but the highest earners in the West.

Maybe your LT loved to suck cock? I have no idea why he would defect. Was this in the 90s?