How do you tell the difference between actual creeps and dudes who are awkward/inexperienced around women?

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How to tell if a guy is an actual creep vs an awkward inexperienced nerd?

There is no practical difference. Sure, the former will be more likely to stick you in a freezer to save for leftovers, but the latter won’t be good for you either. If he’s inexperienced with women he’ll be a complete pushover or he’ll have a poor understanding of boundaries and reading your body language. It’s not some uwu rofan. There is no secretly hot guy out there who just needs a little bit of love like my neglected plant needs water and then they’ll bloom into a beautiful flower and shower your life with sunshine. It’s both his and your responsibility to sort yourself out before stepping up to the dating field except for the unicorn situation where a couple are childhood friends turned romantic partners.

The ‘good’ shy/awkward guys aren’t going to approach you romantically or sexually because they know they aren’t ready for a real relationship, and you probably shouldn’t try to push them to be ready. Best case scenario, they'll want you to be a surrogate Mom. On the other hand, the predatory shy/awkward guys will try to approach you because it’s not about their creepiness, it’s about them wanting to use you to satisfy their desires.

No one can save anyone else. Trying will just earn you contempt and pain. There's a lot of broken people in the world who tragically should be forever alone.
 
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Excepting that actual creeps can also be awkward and inexperienced around women, like Chris-Chan...

You can screen out the inexperienced ones by asking them to eat your pussy.
Then, the selfish ones by asking him to let you finish first,
then, the predatory ones by making some ageplay dirty talk where you pretend you're in middle school.

Whoever can manage the first, agrees to the second and balks at the third is experienced and not a creep and you can date him.
 
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Stan said:
Excepting that actual creeps can also be awkward and inexperienced around women, like Chris-Chan...

You can screen out the inexperienced ones by asking them to eat your pussy.
Then, the selfish ones by asking him to let you finish first,
then, the predatory ones by making some ageplay dirty talk where you pretend you're in middle school.

Whoever can manage the first, agrees to the second and balks at the third is experienced and not a creep and you can date him.
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That's completely unhinged. If you're that creeped out by someone in the first place you should be running for the hills, not fucking them.
 
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.. And as a result I had no romantic interest in this person due to lack of chemistry, I would do something slightly odd and then test his reaction.

For example: Allow him to get comfortable and pay close attention to his body language during casual interaction, then at an appropriate time stare into his eyes beyond the realms of basic etiquette and see what he does.

When he quickly looks away, in the moments that follow does he seem thrown off and unsure of what to do? (Awkward.) Or does he seem completely unfazed, like he is well practiced at concealing the truth? (Creep.) Or just stare back blankly? (Psychopath.)
 
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In my experience, you don't. It's like Schrodinger's Creep; you can't tell he's a creep until he explicitly does something creepy, so until that point he's in this quantum zone of both "creep" and "not creep" that you can't really delineate. Though also in my experience, they're a creep 9 times out of 10. Awkward guys, autistic guys, nerd guys, shy guys, they open up and immediately you stare into the abyss of extreme hardcore pornography, discord moderation, NEET lifestyle, bad hygiene, and latent sexism.
 
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I'm surprised at the relative lack of angry dudes on this thread. Normally these threads draw them in like moths to a flame.
 
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Odd Opossum said:
I'm surprised at the relative lack of angry dudes on this thread. Normally these threads draw them in like moths to a flame.
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This thread is literally male genocide. It's irrelevant what us bally smelly men think and act around women when all women are inexperienced because they don't do the full workout that porn stars do! All women are creeps because they hide around their makeup mask!
 
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I'm surprised at the relative lack of angry dudes on this thread. Normally these threads draw them in like moths to a flame.
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I think its the way the question is worded. Adding the qualifier of "dudes who are just awkward/inexperienced" gives guys the option to assume they are in that group instead of the creep group. If the thread was "Creepy shit guys do" you'd get those people.
 
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WhiskeyJack said:
Just offer to have sex with them. If they jump for joy or look embarrassed and giddy with excitement, they're just awkward around women and can't believe their good luck.

If they flash a Cheshire grin or keep flirting without any appearance of relief or genuine happiness, then they're a creep who thinks they just scored another notch for their bedpost.
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Stan said:
You can screen out the inexperienced ones by asking them to eat your pussy.
Then, the selfish ones by asking him to let you finish first,
then, the predatory ones by making some ageplay dirty talk where you pretend you're in middle school
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What's suboptimal about both of these approaches is how it reflects back on yourself.
They're surefire way to repel guys looking for something serious and attract those that want to pump and dump.

There are no easy shortcuts in dating. Any attempts to quickly solve this kind of thing, gives a signal about yourself that is unfavorable. It's the same for guys learning to know if a girl is a slut, whether she's loyal, whether she's kind or vicious. If you ask a girl her body count it's just about the worst thing you can do, even if it is one of the simple information points that is one of the most revealing about her. And just like any test you want to throw at someone they become more about how adaptable someone is in navigating them, rather than being an honest question with an honest answer.

Admittedly I have never dated guys, but is it really that hard to tell if you observe him for a bit in 3-4 encounters to learn if he's a creep or just a bit awkward? People reveal to you who are they are all the time. And you reveal yourself to them all the time.

Try not to live for the little shortcuts and just put the work and trust that some will see what you do. Those that need to constantly be reminded and require you to signal that virtue are likely to not be worth your time in that case.
 
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Odd Opossum said:
I'm surprised at the relative lack of angry dudes on this thread. Normally these threads draw them in like moths to a flame.
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There's not a whole lot to be upset over with the vague sexual experiences of complete strangers. Muh incels and all, yeah whatever, but still, no one else who isn't terminally caught in their feels has any objective reason to care that much. When it comes to this stuff I personally just want to be as realistic and pragmatic as possible, nothing else matters.
 
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I'm surprised at the relative lack of angry dudes on this thread. Normally these threads draw them in like moths to a flame.
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There's no stories. Less so here, but there's a lot of "horror stories" about guys being "creeps" that girls put up with because he was her only friend. If a creepy, smelly, neckbeard is your only friend I'd tend to think there's something wrong with both of you.
 
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Shy guys (or gals) are easily identified by their quietness or word vomit, they’re body language is quiet reserved and standoffish, they’re putting the effort for someone that makes them come out of their shell (dropping the lbs, spending more time on their appearance, cleaning their room) and will take the time to get to know someone, and are fearful of rejection, and will never put themselves in the position of initiating the“first move”. They’re the ones that will always have to have an engraved invitation for them to go for the first kiss, will probably need to drink for social interaction with their crush.

Now the creepers are the polar opposite, they’re the dudes that will call attention to themselves when they’re with someone to make a spectacle of themselves, they’re the ones that’ll say something to make you uncomfortable and embarrass you, and won’t take a no for an answer. They’re the ones that’ll keep photos of their naked ex’s on their phone and show you to try and make you jealous, or they’ll insult you on your appearance or intelligence to break your esteem down, they’re the ones that will be way too damn close or way too handsy. They’re the ones that will kiss rape you, and won’t take “gtfo dude” seriously.
They’re the ones that go out of their way to get what they want with no respect for someone’s autonomy. Not the person that socially awkward and not hot.
 
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If you've come on here for legitimate advice I'd say the question is moot, you're gonna get raped. Just accept it.
 
You’re going to have to give us some examples.
Imagine sharing an office, open space type. Nerdy quiet shy men are fine. You hear a bit of banter, lots of chat about specialist Subjects. Predatory men are the ones asking what colour underwear you’re wearing.
For day to day interactions, just treat women like humans. At work be professional and a bit distant. If you like someone get to know them first.

Most women know the difference between creepy and shy. It’s hard to say exactly what it is.
Are you worried you come across as creepy? Give us an example scenario ?
 
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