DarksydePhil / TheyCallMeDSP / Phil Burnell: General Discussion #2

[QwahlityKahntent]

Is it so wrong that some people come to the forum for very specific reasons?

this. i have no idea why this is a problem. I'm interested in following only dsp and boogie. i don't care about any other cows nor do i have time in my day to follow any more.

 

[Null]

i have no idea why this is a problem.

When I can't post at all in one area of the site, and the mods are actively building splinters to fragment the community, and there is zero cohesion or mutual respect between that area of the site and the rest of the community, that is by definition "a problem".

 

[Negative Toxic Loser]

I don't think this is an accurate representation when even the mods have Twitter accounts for coordinating off-site. There are clearly established personalities at play here.

That isn't the point I was trying to make there, I'd ask you to read the whole thing again but I am sure you won't. As for the mods having Twitters and communities outside the Farms, isn't that you failing to vet them or am I misunderstanding your point here? I don't see how having a moderation team that has nothing to do with the vortex would help anything here, maybe being more objective as to what is leaked?

This board hasn't grown in years. At least half are pre-2018. I'm not concerned about a lack of growth, I'm concerned about the 5+ year veterans who hate the site.

I have seen some new names here and there, so I wouldn't say it hasn't grown at all, but you're the one with the actual stats so I have to take your word for it. As for veterans hating the site, I think that is still off base. If they take issue with you, that is one thing, hating Kiwifarms is another. As I said in the previous post people take issue with your tone on the issue, including your mods, not the site itself. The site itself is a service to the people that use it, I remember you saying on MATI once that there isn't a site quite like the KF with the free speech it provides so you have the market cornered in that sense and people will use it regardless, which is true, but what is free speech if you cannot express to the owner of the site, that has misconceptions about you, that he is wrong? Albeit, in a crass way.

 

[Jasper2K]

When I can't post at all in one area of the site, and the mods are actively building splinters to fragment the community, and there is zero cohesion or mutual respect between that area of the site and the rest of the community, that is by definition "a problem".

Are you going to be ok Null? I'm genuinely concerned buddy. Most of us here just laugh at dsp.

 

[Lei Wulong's Left Leg]

DSP being a low-maintenance cow makes for a very niche following of retards who mostly enjoy tuning in on occasion to see if there's anything interesting before leaving for more important things.
If the subforum absolutely has to go, I would be happy to have it reduced to a single thread on Internet Famous. Give Derich his own thread in Rat Kings or whatever fits a porn-addicted potential pedo the best(that isn't the Stinkditch lmao), either merge or lose the WWE champions thread, spergatorize the Documentary thread. If not, maybe look into a third mod to replace Surly Muppet's longtime absence to cover the sperging of users who don't behave and keep tabs on whatever sock OIC is on now. Shit, give the mods a threadban quota if it gives you peace of mind about this place.
I'm fairly certain Proper was announcing his splinter intentions as a backup strategy in case the DSP board got sent to Banworld, which it looked like it was going to be at the time.

 

[EmpGulcasa]

When I can't post at all in one area of the site, and the mods are actively building splinters to fragment the community, and there is zero cohesion or mutual respect between that area of the site and the rest of the community, that is by definition "a problem".

So warn/temp ban the instigators and if they can't be respectful keep punishing them progressively more harshly. Most people here don't care one way or the other about you being here, man.

 

[Kane lives in death]

The big problem yesterday was that this board was actively trying to deplatform or hurt DSP (most of yesterdays message was about this problem).
When no proof of this was shown, now the problem is that the board doesnt integrate, and the mods are rogue.

I dont know what to tell you, i think you just want the board dead, and as i already said in another message i think thats already done.

edit: i also think the board would be less hostile if they werent accused of trying to deplatform or hurt DSP without proof, this has happened more than once

 

[9gfuwegw9j9]

When I can't post at all in one area of the site, and the mods are actively building splinters to fragment the community, and there is zero cohesion or mutual respect between that area of the site and the rest of the community, that is by definition "a problem".

If you hate this subforum, then wouldn't it be beneficial to you if they did splinter and fuck off?

 

[Null]

I dont know what to tell you, i think you just want the board dead, and as i already said in another message i think thats already done.

If I wanted the board gone I would literally just close it right now and not discuss it. What's tempting me against it is a feeling there is a group of people who do want to foment a schism actively pushing for that and being complete retards to try and accomplish it.

I have a list of grievances and they aren't changing. That there are more than one does not mean there's a discrepancy.

 

[We Are The Witches]

@Null
Regulars here don't a-log or commit/encourage illegal activities, so to give you a practical suggestion, when/if something like the "bank leaks" is posted to the forum, let moderators know that they should immediately put the post on hold, until you review it personally, as a rule.

It's not much different from what it was since Kiwifarms is not responsible for the crime or hosting the screenshots, and it's just being talked about, but this could suffice.

Gay-op plans are already shut down, so I don't know what else you want from this, just put in place that extra layer when "sensitive" information is shared on here.

With that I also encourage you to remod Agent Proper, Clothes in my Closet and Surly Muppet, as they've done a good job from what I've seen, and now they can just put those "problematic" posts on hold whenever they pop up (you can define to them in detail what do you consider "problematic").
What do you think? Would this solve the major problem you have with this?

 

[DerichLovesSSI]

It's also a painful realization to see that even users who have been here for 6+ years don't really consider themselves a part of a broader community. It's just this board, and they post here because they hate one dude.

Not to be a nitpicking asshole but could you elaborate?
What does being “a part of a broader community” entail?
I follow the Highlighted shit on the front page when it’s something interesting but for the most part I don’t find current-day Chris, Rekeita, Ralph, trannies, or fatties that interesting, so I keep to the portion of the site that I do enjoy.
I was here under two different accounts since the Escort Saga which was like 2017. Am I a Kiwi? I mean I guess, but I don’t think that means I should have to be in X more boards to be considered part of the broader community. Topics on MATI don’t really interest me. I don’t ever really buy merch from anything outside of my autistic hobby.
Like I said, I mean it as genuinely as possible and not trying to be antagonistic. It’s confusing to me is all.

 

[Whose?]

While I don't post a whole lot, I do take extra interest in DSP's antics. I originally browsed the site to read on him without an account. Ended up making one during the start of Covid emerging in China and used the watch feature to keep up with that situation. I may joke about only coming here to laugh at Phil, but a lot of other cows got my interest after actually joining.

Personally, I don't believe DSP needs his own board on the forum. A dedicated thread? Absolutely. To me, the board has felt like it was created to contain us to just here instead of being a part of a larger site. I witnessed people attack Null for refusing to feature Cyraxx getting slapped around by Marty as it promotes other weens to do the same, regardless if it is allowed or not here. I am seeing the same stuff now after he removed and reinstated the DSP board.

If the board gets removed and it becomes just a thread, I am still all in to laugh at Phil here with like minded people. I am not here to bicker amongst fellow Kiwis about what Null does or doesn't do with his site. I do believe some of the recent bans weren't needed, but that isn't my call.

 

[Null]

What do you think? Would this solve the major problem you have with this?

I'm unwilling to remod Proper because I cannot trust someone to manage a direct competitor to their own product.

When things happen like the bank leaks, it's something that can't just be put on hold. I don't have the ability to stop things from happening and to stop people from discussing it. So, when a-logs outside the Kiwi Farms do something illegal, it ends up on the Kiwi Farms. Usually, the Kiwi Farms has a measured and reasonable response. When Chantal's husband was catfished and his dick pics were posted, the response was "Wow, Salah is a bad guy for cheating on his wife", and "Wow, the woman that did this is an insane fat obsessive retard". When Ralph got beat up, there was some healthy discussion on if it was linecrossing, but the consensus was that because Cog was never on the forum and Ralph had been antagonizing him and slandering his family, it was a natural outcome that was not provoked by the forum itself.

Compare this to DSP's board. If something happens that's illegal or line-crossing, people tend to rejoice no matter what it is. People mass-reporting him to Twitch are heroes who are putting a bad man in his place. When I challenge this, people form rank to defend themselves from the evil outsider who is anti-freedom (me) and remind me that Phil is in fact a bad man who deserves to be banned from Twitch because he didn't pay his taxes, or some other mangled logic.

I've repeated myself on this issue probably 100 times and no matter what I say or how I phrase it, it doesn't matter. I am always in the wrong. I just don't get it. I'm hypocritical because muh ralph, muh chantal. It never ends and nothing changes. This is because the people here are not really a part of the community, they don't have any respect for what I have to say, and they reinforce their perspectives in off-site cliques on Discord and Twitter.

That's the problem, and I don't know how to fix it.

Edit: When I do feature something, the kvetching about dumb kiwifag tourists showing up and disagreeing with the DSP board on things is always there. Watch how people respond to non-DSP a-logs showing up in this thread. The presence of the rest of the site visiting this board is always received negatively.

 

[9gfuwegw9j9]

Personally, I don't believe DSP needs his own board on the forum. A dedicated thread? Absolutely

well tbh DSPs subforum has had more threads recent activity than chris-chans (who is also becoming a bit slower recently)

 

[Lei Wulong's Left Leg]

Compare this to DSP's board. If something happens that's illegal or line-crossing, people tend to rejoice no matter what it is. People mass-reporting him to Twitch are heroes who are putting a bad man in his place. When I challenge this, people form rank to defend themselves from the evil outsider who is anti-freedom (me) and remind me that Phil is in fact a bad man who deserves to be banned from Twitch because he didn't pay his taxes, or some other mangled logic.

A brief glance through the Comcast thread and at least the first few pages before it got featured are thread regulars telling the guy responsible either A) They don't believe him or B) To kill himself for bringing their trouble here, while a bunch of users I never see or regulars who are now threadbanned(or were told to shut the fuck up by other regulars) laugh about Phil having a crime committed to him. Not to sound like I'm moving the goalposts or anything here, obviously.
I'm still supporting having either a 3-man moderation team as we did before some of the previous moderators left due to Dong-gone Jones BS, or at least a slightly more heavy-handed moderator approach.

 

[GiveMeTheMoney]

i just wanna say all lolcows are super fat retards who should all be laughed at together equally, no cow is better than another

 

[kiwirevolving]

Personally, I don't believe DSP needs his own board on the forum.

lol Phil only has his own forum because he's been on YouTube for a long time and his detractors are autists who have nothing better to do (including myself so don't @ me) and like to search years worth of playthroughs just to point out another lie Phil said in a recent stream
Edit: That and because Phil has been too documented to just straight up close the whole forum

 

[UaineRunei]

Edit: When I do feature something, the kvetching about dumb kiwifag tourists showing up and disagreeing with the DSP board on things is always there. Watch how people respond to non-DSP a-logs showing up in this thread. The presence of the rest of the site visiting this board is always received negatively.

What we can do for, at least for now, is to enforce a more strict rule when it comes to illegal activity posted/planned in here. Like I said a couple pages ago, we can just stop replying to the post and just report them (like when someone posted a picture of Austin's house a week ago I think.) and temp ban anyone encouraging this type of activity in here, no matter who they are.

But I'll say that no matter what's enforced here, some people despise DSP. They absolutely hate his guts and will try to praise anything bad that happens to him. We can't just tell them how to feel about DSP.

 

[Azuma Ninja]

When I can't post at all in one area of the site, and the mods are actively building splinters to fragment the community, and there is zero cohesion or mutual respect between that area of the site and the rest of the community, that is by definition "a problem".

You do realize the entire reason that the mod put forth the idea of a splinter site was you closing the subforum and banning people? You act like your action was a reaction to his when it was actually the other way around.

People in here were just chilling and laughing at Phil's fat wife and then you come in and call everyone mongoloid retards and act surprised when people respond in kind. The whole thing is just so weird to me.

 

[mush mouth bong bitch]

"they don't have any respect for what I have to say"

Sounds like DSP a la "you may not like it, but respect my opinion and my ability to hold this opinion" *even if it's a retarded opinion*

People are calling you hypocritical, Null, because you just are. For some reason, the self-policing in the DSP board is always wrong, but the self-policing in every other board/thread is always correct.

Based on how you are approaching this, it's already defeatest and sympathy garnering at a boogieman problem that, frankly from the perspective of regulars posting about this drama, never really existed, or is a defacto problem of the site itself (thus the hypocritical leveling against you).

Don't worry, you did everything correct and nothing wrong.