Mega Rad Gun Thread

[MrJokerRager]

Were bayonets effective on the M16A4 and is it possible to do a bayonet charge with them without hurting the rifle like it was done in World War 1 or in the video game Battlefield 1?

 

[Club Sandwich]

Were bayonets effective on the M16A4 and is it possible to do a bayonet charge with them without hurting the rifle like it was done in World War 1 or in the video game Battlefield 1?

i don't know about effective, but the rifle can be used with a bayonet for close quarters fighting without any issues from all the years i've used one in training, training others, breaking down doors/windows/boards. the A2 stock is also much more reinforced than the older A1 stocks which could break if you smashed them hard enough. admittedly it's still possible to do that with an A2 since it's an aluminum threaded hollow tube, but it's better than it used to be and really isn't a problem outside of i guess running over the stock with a tank or IFV or something.

 

[Romulus augustulus]

Were bayonets effective on the M16A4 and is it possible to do a bayonet charge with them without hurting the rifle like it was done in World War 1 or in the video game Battlefield 1?

the barrels are thickest from the FSB forward so that bayonet use won't bend the barrel. the thinnest parts of the barrel is under the hand guards where they are protected.

bending a barrel under normal use is pretty hard anyway. most commonly they get damaged if they are run over by a vehicle. Shotgun barrels are very thin, often less that 0.040 of an inch, or about how thick a US dime is and most people haven't dented a shotgun barrel.

 

[Cats]

 

[Seafarer]

You know, I had an interesting thought about machine pistols, which I have been thinking about because of all the stories of Glock switches popping up:

The main problem people have with machine pistols as a concept is that they are very difficult to control. Part of that is that most machine pistols seem to have a very high RPM. I’m guessing this comes from the short distance of the slide travel when firing in full auto, combined with the usage of regular ammunition like 9mm or .45.

Would there be a way to create an operating system for a machine pistol that lends itself to a relatively slow RPM, maybe something around 500-600 RPM (aka M3 Grease Gun range)? Also, it should be chambered in a cartridge like .22 Magnum (or perhaps a centerfire equivalent if the rim proves to be an issue). In a machine pistol individual cartridge power shouldn’t matter as much as accuracy and capacity, which I think something like .22 mag would be great for, while still retaining a bit more power than something like .22LR. I think that individually one of these two things would work for an effective machine pistol, but combined would be much better.

I’m reminded of a contender to replace the M1911 back in the ‘70s called the Colt S.C.A.M.P. (Small CAliber Machine Pistol, gotta love the military and their desire to give everything a catchy acronym). It was a machine pistol chambered in a proprietary .22 caliber cartridge, which allowed the pistol a fairly impressive capacity of 27 rounds. The SCAMP was apparently considered controllable and well liked by those who fired it, but was never pursued further by the military:

(I also just think it looks cool, like the RoboCop gun)

Anyways what are you guy’s thoughts on this concept?

 

[Halfnium Bomb]

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No idea about the rate of fire reduction, but if you could give a CP33 (Keltec's 33 round, .22lr quad stack *thing*) FA and throw on a compensator, you'll probably get pretty close.

 

[Smoke Manmuscle]

Were bayonets effective on the M16A4 and is it possible to do a bayonet charge with them without hurting the rifle like it was done in World War 1 or in the video game Battlefield 1?

Never had a problem with it. The A4 uses the same barrel as the A2. The A2 has thicker barrel then the original and A1 to provide better cooling during sustained firing and allow better attachment of the bayonet. The A2 which has the same stock as the A4 also changed the polymer used for the stock to incorporate advances in plastics made during the 1960s and 1970s. As for if they are actually used, there are pictures and videos of the Marines having them mounted in Fallujah in 2005 and I have heard stories of them being used with no issues.

It’s not the A4 but apparently the last documented bayonet charge was done by the Brits in October of 2011 in Afghanistan.

 

[FamicomGorby]

You know, I had an interesting thought about machine pistols, which I have been thinking about because of all the stories of Glock switches popping up:

The main problem people have with machine pistols as a concept is that they are very difficult to control. Part of that is that most machine pistols seem to have a very high RPM. I’m guessing this comes from the short distance of the slide travel when firing in full auto, combined with the usage of regular ammunition like 9mm or .45.

Would there be a way to create an operating system for a machine pistol that lends itself to a relatively slow RPM, maybe something around 500-600 RPM (aka M3 Grease Gun range)? Also, it should be chambered in a cartridge like .22 Magnum (or perhaps a centerfire equivalent if the rim proves to be an issue). In a machine pistol individual cartridge power shouldn’t matter as much as accuracy and capacity, which I think something like .22 mag would be great for, while still retaining a bit more power than something like .22LR. I think that individually one of these two things would work for an effective machine pistol, but combined would be much better.

I’m reminded of a contender to replace the M1911 back in the ‘70s called the Colt S.C.A.M.P. (Small CAliber Machine Pistol, gotta love the military and their desire to give everything a catchy acronym). It was a machine pistol chambered in a proprietary .22 caliber cartridge, which allowed the pistol a fairly impressive capacity of 27 rounds. The SCAMP was apparently considered controllable and well liked by those who fired it, but was never pursued further by the military:
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(I also just think it looks cool, like the RoboCop gun)

Anyways what are you guy’s thoughts on this concept?

I think it could work more as a crew weapon, like the VZ-61. For general issue, maybe if it was only a burst option to increase hit probability.

 

[Fried-Rice12]

If you're worried about pen, something in 380 auto or 38 special is solid. There's pretty decent ammo for both any more. A hand gun is also just more versatile, you can CCW it, not just keep it at home like a shot gun

I've heard that 7.62mm Tokarev has excellent penetration.
It's also dirt cheap as surplus and TT-30s are plentiful (some models don't have a safety though).
Warning: DO NOT use 7.62mm Tokarev rounds in C96 pistols or other weapons chambered in 7.63mm Mauser. It's going to make the gun explode because Tokarev rounds have much higher pressure. However, Mauser rounds are perfectly fine in TT-30 Tokarevs and any other 7.62mm Tokarev guns.

So apparently American ex special forces and tactical guys are just straight up training Chinese SF who enter the country as civilians

It's one guy and I think a lot of preparation went into getting him into America.
And now that he's been exposed it (hopefully) won't happen again.
Suspicion towards born-in-the-West Chinamen like me are going to increase as a result though.

PLA officers were "observing" Canadian military exercises as late as 2018, starting with an agreement in 2013 under the "conservative" government.
https://torontosun.com/news/local-n...-observed-military-exercises-on-canadian-soil
If there's ever going to in be infiltrators, my friends in the south, look to my home country in the north.

 

[WelperHelper99]

I've heard that 7.62mm Tokarev has excellent penetration.
It's also dirt cheap as surplus and TT-30s are plentiful (some models don't have a safety though).
Warning: DO NOT use 7.62mm Tokarev rounds in C96 pistols or other weapons chambered in 7.63mm Mauser. It's going to make the gun explode because Tokarev rounds have much higher pressure. However, Mauser rounds are perfectly fine in TT-30 Tokarevs and any other 7.62mm Tokarev guns.

He was worried about TOO much penetration. Hense the recommendations of .38 special (which I carry) and 380 auto. If you want pen, 7.62mm tokarev is a good vest buster

 

[Fried-Rice12]

He was worried about TOO much penetration. Hense the recommendations of .38 special (which I carry) and 380 auto. If you want pen, 7.62mm tokarev is a good vest buster

Oops.
I was eating my lunch and reading it at the same time.
I must have overlooked that part.

Doesn't the 9mm Parabellum perform the same duties as the .38 Special and .380 Auto?
In my honest opinion, the prerequisites for a caliber include cost and availability, and the 9mm Parabellum is unmatched in these regards.

 

[WelperHelper99]

Oops.
I was eating my lunch and reading it at the same time.
I must have overlooked that part.

It's all good bro.

Doesn't the 9mm Parabellum perform the same duties as the .38 Special and .380 Auto?
In my honest opinion, the prerequisites for a caliber include cost and availability, and the 9mm Parabellum is unmatched in these regards.

The 38 special is just THE revolver round. Low pressure, which means you can get away with aluminum frame revolvers, and low recoil. 380 is about the same, just for pocket pistols. 9mm is more powerful (38 can be uprated to 9mm power) but it has drawbacks depending on what you want

 

[Fried-Rice12]

It's all good bro.

The 38 special is just THE revolver round. Low pressure, which means you can get away with aluminum frame revolvers, and low recoil. 380 is about the same, just for pocket pistols. 9mm is more powerful (38 can be uprated to 9mm power) but it has drawbacks depending on what you want

A good friend of mine who now resides in Texas told me that his conceal carry was a Walther PPK/S chambered in .32 ACP.
The power of James Bond is his fire control.

 

[WelperHelper99]

A good friend of mine who now resides in Texas told me that his conceal carry was a Walther PPK chambered in .32 ACP.
The power of James Bond is his fire control.

32 is a fun round. Very unassuming. Until you read WW1 casualty reports. It's a killer. It just has that secret sauce combo of weight, velocity, and diameter. Not to mention modern pistols in it are mouse guns. Don't really need a holster most the time.

 

[Fried-Rice12]

32 is a fun round. Very unassuming. Until you read WW1 casualty reports. It's a killer. It just has that secret sauce combo of weight, velocity, and diameter. Not to mention modern pistols in it are mouse guns. Don't really need a holster most the time.

Which is exactly why I recommend a .32 ACP chambered gun (Walther PPK preferred) to @A Crying Goblin 's friend.
When push comes to shove (which I pray it never does), he can come out on top.
Also, it's James Bond's gun.
Who doesn't want to larp James Bond.

 

[Troon_Patrol]

IMHO the .32 belongs in the mouseguns. I am actually a big fan of the Seecamp in .32ACP I think that is one of the best guns ever made. The history of them is fairly interesting too. Years ago a used one of them fell into my lap practically for free. Mechanically perfect with a few exterior scratches and nicks and I wouldn't want it any other way. A pistol that grinds against your car keys/pocketknife/spare change doesn't need to be pretty. Fun fact: the Seecamp will not feed .32ACP ball ammo, only JHP's, which I get but, they should have allowed us to buy cheap ball target ammo, that is my only complaint. The magazine does not allow the OAL of the a .32 ACP ball round, you can cut down the front of a .32ACP ball cartridge if you have a band saw and more time than money.

 

[Finnish Air Force]

Tactical Toyota + MP7 Gang

 

[DocAwe]

Might have acquired dual Kel-Tec P-32 pistols in Minecraft at one point...

 

[MrJokerRager]

For an overgassed rifle with an adjustable gas block.

Is it better to increase the buffer weight or play around with the adjustable gas block?

 

[TerminalTryHard]

For an overgassed rifle with an adjustable gas block.

Is it better to increase the buffer weight or play around with the adjustable gas block?

What weight is the current buffer? I'd at play with the gas block a but to see if that brings it into an acceptable performance. If not than look into increased buffer or a heavier spring, like a Springco blue.